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SereneWolfParticipantI don’t know why quoting isn’t’ working as it should be. But I’ll try to come up with a fix next time.
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
How you doing?Sorry for little late reply.
I finally started my travel journey! Yaaaaay!
I started with worldās tallest statue, Statue of Unity. It was so much fun.It could be that if they donāt pick up immediately that something is bothering you, you feel unseen by them, and you conclude that your needs donāt matter to them, and that they might hurt you (maybe itās not even conscious but unconscious reasoning). And from that moment on, you are on guard and you start distancing yourself.
If so, it means that a minor slip on their part leads to a major danger alert going off in your subconscious mind. And so you switch to defense mode, where you are on alert for being hurt. And in order to prevent being hurt, you preemptively withdraw and stop being open and vulnerable. This is what might be happening.
The reason for that is the old trauma, which causes you to make a big deal out of a minor issue. And to put up your shields.Okay I think this is moderately accurate. I do think thatās what might be happening
What happened in your childhood is that your mother didnāt really care about your emotional needs: she didnāt care if your fatherās anger outbursts hurt you. Moreover, she told you to accept it without any resistance. She basically told you your emotions donāt matter (in this case fear and anger), and that you should be able to control your anger and pretend that itās not there. She told you that you should silently take the verbal ābeatingsā and be a good, obedient boy.
In other words, your mother didnāt have much regard for your emotional needs. She didnāt let you have boundaries. Or to be rightfully upset for being mistreated. And it felt horrible. It felt like a prison. It felt so horrible that you left home at the age of 17.
She didnāt let you set boundaries, and so you didnāt get the chance to learn how to set boundaries. The only way to protect yourself from being invaded was to leave. To remove yourself from the situation/relationship completely.Again accurate. Because boundaries felt like Iām being disobedient. Not a āgoodā in their perspective. So it was nearly impossible for me to put my needs first than that others.
Like okay I started travelling yet somewhere Iām feeling guilty Iām not spending time with my siblings and family, specially my sister since she gave birth to a baby boy. even though I spent 3 months at my hometown. They told me to stay and like take care of my sister but still just listening to my grandpa nowadays boils my blood heās old and sick so I donāt like to disrespect so I just wanted to leave. I did whatās good for myself. I raised my voice. Yet still I feel guilty for that.
I had to told them even though Iām doing a remote job. I need lil more peaceful environment to focus on work and at home I canāt do that.So this is I think whatās happening: in a romantic relationship, when you feel that the person doesnāt care about your needs ā and it could be that even a minor thing can trigger such a feeling ā your knee-jerk reaction is to want to leave the relationship. Even if you donāt leave physically, you start withdrawing emotionally, and the intimacy is lost for you. Intimacy is not an option any more.
So instead of working to repair the relationship ā and maintain emotional connection and intimacy ā you put a stop on intimacy. You block it. Even if you stay in the relationship, you stay in a self-defense mode, with your shields up (weāve talked about the shield/armor around your heart).Hmm I see. Good analysis. I think itās like the sergeant you mentioned before. Once heās aware that thereād be an attack. All he thinks about is war. Not peace.
And I think one aspect of this self-defense mode is the superiority/inferiority dynamic, where you feel less vulnerable if you can feel superior than your partner.
In the relationship with your father, you felt inferior and never good enough. It seems that with a romantic partner, you never want to feel that way: worthless, unlovable, not good enough. And so you either avoid relationships altogether, or if you opt for a relationship, you want to feel better than your partner. Because thatās how you feel safe(r) from her criticism.Yes and also because of that my self esteem went lower so like even if I get women out of my āleagueā (It happened most of the time, Physically or career wise) Iād just question my worth like how did I get this kind of women? She way better than me thereās no way this is gonna be long term. Sooner or later sheād know that sheās somehow ābetterā than me and sheād obviously choose something better and leave. And I think thatās where superiority/inferiority dynamic is happening. and because of that I mostly tried keep on edge and improving myself like lil better than her.
I think thatās why you also want to perfect yourself as much as possible before getting married:
[I said] Maybe loving hard also means that you need to work hard to be lovable? That you need to be successful, so she would love you (āshe can always find a rich husband but a for a guy, he got to be something goodā)?
[you replied] Kind of yes I guess like trying to perfecting the relationship and my partner too.
I imagine itās because the idea of being stuck with someone who criticizes you all the time (such as a criticizing, judgmental wife) is unbearable.
But I think also the idea of being stuck with a woman who is full of faults, who is unaware of her issues and refuses to work on herself ā is equally unbearable to you:Yes Exactly
I just donāt want to deal with the women who arenāt even self aware about their traumas and not actively working on it. Because effort is something that really attractive to me. Kind of a priority.
In your last post you said the girl should be similar to you:
I donāt think that some damaged people but hmm more like someone I can resonate with a little, Not too much different from me so it would be easier to open up for me.
Putting all this information together, it seems to me that your perfect partner is someone who has similar issues, i.e. someone who similarly like you doesnāt feel good enough and wants to āperfectā herself.Ah right Eureka moment haha! You right she kind of āFulfilā those criteria and thatās why I felt good with her
Now this latest girl has issues as well, possibly some similar to yours (anger), but overall, she has bigger issues than you in terms of mental health. She also seems interested in working on herself (she has been in therapy for 4 years), which is a must for you.
So right there youāve got 2 potential attraction points: she has similar but greater issues than you, and she is (at least in theory) interested in self-improvement.
You also said she is mysterious:
I think I was curious because she seemed little bit mysterious at first. ⦠She smokes, sheās dramatic and her anger is always on the edge. I tried to understood why sheās the way she is and I noticed that itās just her coping mechanisms, At heart sheās kind and loving woman.
It could be that you were intrigued by her anger (because it reminded you of your father), and started hoping that underneath her anger you might find a ākind and loving womanā. So she would be someone similar to your father, and yet different: someone who appears rough and angry on the outside, but is actually kind and loving underneath. This might have been a hope and the excitement that your inner child felt in the presence of this āmysteriousā woman.
Maybe I got carried away too much here. But in any case, I can see why you were intrigued by her, even if she appears the āopposite of what you likeā (another friend told me how she is opposite of what I like).Yes that could be also the thing. But nowadays who wants to show their true self? She mentioned few times how hard it is for her to open up and being vulnerable. But she makes me angry too. Like on Weekend she texted like She missed talking to me. I replied whoās stopping you? and then she replies me for that 2 days after with a funny IG reel. And I have much better things to do than focusing on someone like her who isnāt sure of anything and changes colour like a chamaeleon. Like Iām exhausted with dating games. Like if itās a Yes or no. and confusing vibes. With Casual I can at least be straight forward and clear like hey Iām working on myself and I canāt commit with you for a full fledge relationship but I wouldnāt mind spending a good time with you if youāre okay with it. I want clear and straight forward things. NO BS. That way thereās also good possibility of gaining a friendship first which is must having a good time or like you know not feel alone since weāre all social creatures. And from friendship thereās also good possibility of deepen the relationship if things go well. Because I know my intentions are good and Iād prefer the same from her. and another pattern that I noticed is that if I’m good friends with a person I’d try be vulnerable with them more easily
But just because this recent woman which I barely talked to her for like 2 weeks. We canāt say that Iām attracted to troubled people. Can we? But yeah sheās more troubled thatās for sure.
Well, you were attracted to a troubled person in the past (your first LDR), with whom you stayed for more than 3 years. And you said she was your best LDR.
Maybe I am looking too much into this, and I apologize if I am talking nonsense. But still, hereās what I am thinking: perhaps the reason why you considered her your best relationship is because she fulfilled the 3 criteria that I listed above: 1) similar but greater issues than you, 2) openness (at least declarative) to self-improvement and change, and 3) openness to being coached/helped by you, as someone who is āfurther alongā on the self-development journey? Perhaps these are the āattraction pointsā that make you fall in love with a girl?
Please note: this is just an assumption. Think about it, and see if it resonates at all. If yes, then itās kind of a formula of how you fall in love, a formula which is more or less based on self-defense. It doesnāt really allow for intimacy and vulnerability.
Let me know what you think. And I apologize if I went overboard with my assumptions and analysis.I like the word āFormula of How I Loveā and no you didnāt go overboard and I request that you do. Iād prefer a brutal honestly.
I mean it may have been somewhat true in past but I think now my formula of love has been changed. Or I at least have to meet someone so I can experiment/explore about this further.But I thought about it a lil and let me tell you things what kind of women attracts me the most or like kind of feeling of melting for her (Is that similar to love?)
Similar life values & Someone who have the same priorities so we can support each other in our goals/shared goals
Honesty & Trust ā For me Love comes after those two things
Feeling of Unconditional love ā I know in past and also from my childhood I mostly felt āConditionalā love. So I want to have proper feeling like what actually feels like when a person loves you unconditionally.
I want to mention that in my 1st LDR I did feel unconditional love but not the level of reassurance that Iād like with that so it was a shaky feelingKind to others (Specially animals)
Empathic (Thanks for making me realize value for being empathic)
Have some passion
Creativity ā I know Iām not that much creative person but I absolutely admire various kind of arts. So l like Art (Woman) creating an Art? How awesome is that? Another thing Is that I donāt know if its true or not but I think creative woman would be better at expressing her emotions. Something I can learn from her
And above all someone who values of words and even more the actions. Because again Efforts are sexy. Show me how you love instead of just saying things.I know relationships arenāt about transactions. But Iām expecting these things because I know I can provide those things.
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
Hope youāre having a good weekend.
Iāve watched another video by the same psychologist (Heidi Priebe), where she goes into a great detail explaining the main features of the fearful avoidant style. The video is 1 hr long, and itās calledĀ 10 Signs You May Have A Fearful-Avoidant Attachment Style.Ā She herself used to be fearful avoidant, so thatās her specialty and she knows a lot about it.
First of all thanks a lot for putting that much time for me. Youāre a truly good mentor and supporter. Itās good that if she herself used to be fearful avoidant she definitely has more insights.
I also watched the video you suggest and I do think Iām leaning towards more avoidant style
Anyway, I watched it and recognized similar features that you shared about your own behavior in relationships. Here are two signs of the fearful avoidant style that she described, which I think youāve expressed too (her bullets are expressed in the āyouā form, so I am keeping that form):
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You crave intimacy but fear commitment
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You want other people to be vulnerable before you are
 
Yes I agree I can resonate with both of the points and again leaning more on avoidant side
In the following, Iāll paraphrase what she said about each of these signs:
- You crave intimacy but fear commitment
 
The false belief (based on their childhood experiences):Ā to be in a relationship means to give up my independence and my sense of selfĀ to give endlessly of myself to the other person.
Fearful avoidants like people and intimate connections, but they are afraid of losing their sense of self in the relationship. So they make a deal with themselves: āIāll go into the relationship, Iāll get that hit of intimacy and a sense of connectedness, but then I am going to pull back and Iām not going to enter this relationship long term, because to be in a relationship long term means to lose my sense of self. So Iāll sacrifice my sense of self for a while, to get the intimacy I need and crave, but then I pull back because I canāt bear to lose myself on the long runā.
They donāt realize that one can keep their sense of self and still be deeply emotionally connected to another person. They engage is merging with the other person, but at the expense of losing themselves, which is painful. So the fearful avoidant only feels comfortable in relationships when there is an expiry date. The idea of a long-term commitment, even to someone they really love, is terrifying.
(end of paraphrase)
You too expressed this same notion of losing yourself in the relationship, and completely focusing on the other person and their needs and wants:
Sometimes I canāt say No to a person even though Iād like to say No. ⦠I really fear disappointing them.
In relationship I care too much and even if theyāre little careless about their health or things that affect them or make them worry it makes me worry 3x times more and I canāt focus on my things.
In relationships I just loose myself in the process because over caring and overthinking about partner. And it affects my mood and even the sleepā¦
If I even notice even a little that what I suggested made them uncomfortable I wouldnāt hesitate to change my plans just to see them not disappointed.
The above are the examples where you lost yourself in the relationship and started caring not to disappoint your partner, not to want anything for yourself. You also started overly caring about her physical and emotional well-being, to the point of getting enmeshed and not being able to focus on your own stuff, and even losing sleep over it. That was happening in both of your LDRs, if I remember well.
So thatās the āhardā love that you want to avoid. The enmeshed, self-denying love, which is I guess the anxious part of your personality.
No wonder you donāt want it. You get exhausted in such relationships. And then you go back to being alone and restoring your independence:
I donāt like being even partially ādependentā on someone or affected by them. It could be because I like to control (Itās lot better than before but still) but not being controlled. Because I prefer some things should be my way. And It should be without judgements.
Like I know Iām in touch with my inner child and I still do lot of things that an adult actually doesnāt do like I turned into a kid when Iām with kids, Different kind of bicycling, Singing and dancing for no reason (Lot of times while cooking, Watching Anime and Cartoons and lot of things like that). And I kind of fear they would judge me for that and not actually understand.
When I asked you what you wouldnāt compromise, you said:
I think my freedom and ability to do whatever I want.
Also ability to go wherever I go. Itās like a parent would be like donāt go to hike there itās dangerous out there and then even after she said no and Iād go I feel guilty.
But the problem is when this independence turns into total self-reliance, which is the opposite extreme of enmeshment. Which again isnāt a healthy state. And so the goal, according to this psychologist, and I agree with her, is integration.
Whereas now you might be prone to suppressing your emotional, overly reactive and needy part (the one that goes into enmeshment), youād need to acknowledge it and give it more room for expression. For example, dare to speak up if something bothers you about the personās behavior. Donāt suppress your frustration and pretend that you are so very tolerant and understanding (which you used to do in your LDRs, if I remember well). Set boundaries. Express your likes and dislikes. I donāt want to go into details in this post, but setting boundaries and expressing your dislikes would be the way to integrate your emotional, reactive part.
The second feature of the fearful avoidant style, which I think also applies to you is:
- You want other people to be vulnerable before you are
 
This is what Heidi Priebe says about it:
People with fearful avoidant style do want emotional intimacy, but they also fear getting hurt. They are quite guarded, even if they are warm, empathic and engaging. They ask a lot of questions, but they donāt share too much about themselves (specially not the vulnerable parts). They are good listeners ā they make other people comfortable and safe to express themselves and talk about deeper things. But they donāt want to share similarly deep about themselvesĀ until they are sure that the power dynamic is tipped in their favor.
Thatās because they believe that people are naturally inclined to hurt and betray each other. They donāt trust people. So the only way they are willing to open up and share vulnerable information about themselves is if they are sure that the other person is āworse offā than them, i.e. has bigger weaknesses than them. Or that the other person is more in love with them than they are with the person, and so the other person has more to lose than them.
The fearful avoidant is always evaluating: whatās the likelihood that this person is safe for me to open up to. But their indicators of safety are not that the person is warm and kind and comforting, but itās more likely to be something like: āthis person has already shown me all of their cards, so now I can flip over mine, knowing that their issues are bigger than mineā.
People with fearful avoidant style usually donāt pursue, but wait to be pursued. Because pursuing/chasing someone requires vulnerability, which fearful avoidants donāt want to show.
(end of paraphrase)
You talked about not wanting to be too vulnerable with your partner (in your LDRs). You also mentioned feeling inferior (at least in the beginning) with the doctor. And you were attracted to troubled people, whom you perhaps unconsciously saw as weaker, or with more problems, than yourself.
So perhaps the tendency to get attracted to problematic girls is a part of this need to not feel judged by your partner, because you kind of feel ābetterā than them, and thus safer from their criticism and their ability to hurt you (which would be a defense against the wound your father inflicted upon you, criticizing you for your āweaknessesā and your āimperfectionsā). I am not claiming this, but it is a possibility.
Anyway, it seems to me you do fit some of the features of the fearful avoidant style. And the good news is that it can be healed ā via integration. Integration of the emotionally reactive, angry and needy part (which you are perhaps ashamed of and want to keep hidden from people) into your main personality. By allowing yourself to say No and have boundaries, basically.
Let me know how all of this sounds?
Those are very good insights so thanks for pointing that out and the thing is that Iām trying to create a healthy boundaries but most of the time what is still happening that If I get a minor inconvenience or feel like theyāre not respecting my boundaries even once or twice I distance myself from them and after that I kinda feel much less connected to them. Because something I really hate is repeating myself so like if I get vulnerable with them and say look this is whatās bothering me so it would be better if you be aware next time. And after that they still do that the respect I have for them starts to fade. Because Iām very strict when it comes to other peopleās boundaries. And not in just romantic relationships but friendships as well.
And the thing is that itās draining for me.
About the angry part I think Iām getting better like the recent things I told you Iām not suprassing my anger like before.
But the needy part? Thatās kinda hard I hate to kinda express people I need them. It does feel better when I know that I can be dependable (Not 100%) but to be honest in all this time life kept gave me reminders that I can only depend on myself so thatās why that part is hard for me. I do have some good friends but if I think deep enough I feel like really donāt want to be vulnerable with them that much. Does that mean I need friends? And I donāt think that some damaged people but hmm more like someone I can resonate with a little, Not too much different from me so it would be easier to open up for me.
Also about the troubled people part, I donāt actually see them weaker like I said I stopped that kinda comparing while ago. But yeah maybe subconsciously. And I also agree with her on the Power Dynamics because thatās what I did in the part. I liked control. But just because this recent woman which I barely talked to her for like 2 weeks. We canāt say that Iām attracted to troubled people. Can we? But yeah sheās more troubled thatās for sure. And nowadays who isnāt troubled more or less everyone is troubled. Everyone is trying to fight their demons and heal. I just donāt want to deal with the women who arenāt even self aware about their traumas and not actively working on it. Because effort is something that really attractive to me. Kind of a priority. Because I did noticed that when I donāt see efforts I also lost interest quite fast. One of the reasons why I broke up with one of the Best LDR I had. Because I felt like I was the only one putting the efforts there. and that’s why in 2nd LDR I sensed like I don’t want to deal with the same thing because I felt like she wouldn’t even put the effort more than the previous one. so I broke up with her as well. and now I’m not interested in LDR at all. and now I crave physical intimacy more than anything. Hand holding. cuddling, kissing and just playful activities together etc.
SereneWolfParticipantHey Tee,
Thanks for sharing. I’ll watch the video and share my thoughts with you.
SereneWolfParticipantI think doctor was able to get really close to my heart. But there was fear of intimacy. fearful avoidant attachment style you know.
and I guess also part that I wanted something more again because I did enjoyed when we doing different things together. But then I got bored and after that because of the job anxiety I totally ignored her.
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
So the doctor didnāt touch your heart? Or she did, but she wasnāt able to break down the walls in your heart?
You see ā itās not about the woman. Itās about you. If you fear (either intimacy, or losing something good and hurting afterwards), then you will keep those walls up, even if itās the best thing that ever happened to you.
If fear prevails, no woman will be able to break down the walls of your heart. The person who needs to do it is you.
Yes I know it’s about me. and when talking to one of my friend after a while I think there could be some different thing playing role in this. I thought I had just mild ADHD but it I think it increased to moderate. Because my dopamine levels would low most of the time and I would keep seek novelty. That’s why maybe I’m just getting more curious at first and then when there’s no novelty like I know enough I get bored and move on to next
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
You nailed it! You pinpointed the main problem: his too high expectations and immediate criticism, instead of allowing you the time to learn things (and having patience and empathy with you). And he was like that since your childhood. No room for mistakes and a demand for perfection, or else he was quick to get angry.
And I loved that you were so self-confident with him: telling him that you are obviously going to do it well. Yes! Thatās the spirit! You didnāt feel less then, or not good enough, but you confidently told him that yes, you can do it, you are able to, you just need a little bit of time to get the hang of it. Perfect!Thanks! I think Iām finally able to start working on my new identity shift
So your mother behaved the same way as she did in your childhood: trying to pacify you, so you wouldnāt provoke him. She wanted you to walk on eggshells around him, so he wouldnāt explode in anger. Basically, she was appeasing the bully (and trying to control you, his victim).
How are you feeling today? Still good or there are some doubts or feeling of guilt, or anything like that?
So for that matter itās like 10 days now. And I think thereās no feeling of guilt. Although My father does started to tell my mom (Not to me or my brother directly) that weāre not obedient like before. We siblings talk back a lot. And My mother still just listens to that. But she did told me that if you think itās hurting you then speak up I didnāt speak up in all these years so I donāt speak up or just rarely.It seems the inner protector ā the inner Uncle Iroh ā has activated himself in this latest encounter with your parents. Do you still feel the presence of this positive inner voice?
Hmm I think Yes. But because of his patterns I knew what heās going to do so I sorta decided that this time I wonāt be silent Iāll speak up. So I guess Inner voice helped me to stand up for myself?Yes, you do have your own voice, which can speak for you and defend you from attacks. I think itās wonderful that you experienced that you are actually able to defend yourself and stand up for yourself. And this gave you a sense of power. Because if you can stand up for yourself, you are powerful. If you can say No to abuse, you are powerful.
Simply knowing that we have the ability to protect ourselves (from other peopleās abuse, unreasonable demands, unfair expectations etc) gives us enormous inner power.
Yes! Thanks for the reminderYess! That was a great success ā your dream come true, and something you have been longing for a long time. And you made it! So yes, that too proved how powerful you are: because you can achieve your goals and dreams.
Yes actually this is a big point for my identity shift because of my past failures I was considering myself as a failureOkay, it could be that some ārewritingā of your childhood experiences happened in this very encounter with your parents. Because in this encounter, youāve got the experience of standing up for yourself and speaking your truth, and not allowing to be silenced and guilt-tripped into obedience. If you still feel good about it, without doubt or guilt creeping in, then some ārewritingā has happened for sure.
Yes I definitely think so, and there are some other ārewritingsā are needed to remove the old beliefsIs there a part of you which still expects validation from your parents (and grandparents) that you are making good choices? Like, you know that you are right, but a part of you is still doubting it?
No I donāt think I need validation from them.Do you feel that you still donāt believe positive things about yourself? That even though you receive praise from other people, you still have a hard time believing it?
Perhaps now 2 voices are vying for dominance in your psyche: one is your newly found confident voice with which you just spoke to your parents. And the other is the āgood oldā (actually bad old) inner critic, caused by years of criticism and telling you youāre not good enough?
Yes I think maybe itās that. How to tackle that and make the newly found voice stronger?
Iām slowly starting to believe about some positive things about myself but I do still have kind of inferiority complex even though I donāt compare myself to othersYou mean you are not longing for external validation? But you also feel that your inner āvalidatorā is not strong enough?
Yes ExactlyWhat exactly do you feel you are missing right now?
Thatās the thing. Iām not sure sometimes I feel like I need to befriend with myself so I donāt feel alone or just self-sabotage and waste time
SereneWolfParticipantDon’t know what happened, Maybe some error so I’m posting again
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>You nailed it! You pinpointed the main problem: his too high expectations and immediate criticism, instead of allowing you the time to learn things (and having patience and empathy with you). And he was like that since your childhood. No room for mistakes and a demand for perfection, or else he was quick to get angry.</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Thanks! I think Iām finally able to start working on my new identity shift </p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So your mother behaved the same way as she did in your childhood: trying to pacify you, so you wouldnāt provoke him. She wanted you to walk on eggshells around him, so he wouldnāt explode in anger. Basically, she was appeasing the bully (and trying to control you, his victim).</p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>How are you feeling today? Still good or there are some doubts or feeling of guilt, or anything like that?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So for that matter itās like 10 days now. And I think thereās no feeling of guilt. Although My father does started to tell my mom (Not to me or my brother directly) that weāre not obedient like before. We siblings talk back a lot. And My mother still just listens to that. But she did told me that if you think itās hurting you then speak up I didnāt speak up in all these years so I donāt speak up or just rarely. </p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>It seems the inner protector ā the inner Uncle Iroh ā has activated himself in this latest encounter with your parents. Do you still feel the presence of this positive inner voice?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Hmm I think Yes. But because of his patterns I knew what heās going to do so I sorta decided that this time I wonāt be silent Iāll speak up. So I guess Inner voice helped me to stand up for myself? </p>
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<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, you do have your own voice, which can speak for you and defend you from attacks. I think itās wonderful that you experienced that you are actually able to defend yourself and stand up for yourself. And this gave you a sense of power. Because if you can stand up for yourself, you are powerful. If you can say No to abuse, you are powerful.</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Simply knowing that we have the ability to protect ourselves (from other peopleās abuse, unreasonable demands, unfair expectations etc) gives us enormous inner power.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes! Thanks for the reminder</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yess! That was a great success ā your dream come true, and something you have been longing for a long time. And you made it! So yes, that too proved how powerful you are: because you can achieve your goals and dreams.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes actually this is a big point for my identity shift because of my past failures I was considering myself as a failure </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Okay, it could be that some ārewritingā of your childhood experiences happened in this very encounter with your parents. Because in this encounter, youāve got the experience of standing up for yourself and speaking your truth, and not allowing to be silenced and guilt-tripped into obedience. If you still feel good about it, without doubt or guilt creeping in, then some ārewritingā has happened for sure.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes I definitely think so, and there are some other ārewritingsā are needed to remove the old beliefs </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Is there a part of you which still expects validation from your parents (and grandparents) that you are making good choices? Like, you know that you are right, but a part of you is still doubting it?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>No I donāt think I need validation from them. </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Do you feel that you still donāt believe positive things about yourself? That even though you receive praise from other people, you still have a hard time believing it?</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Perhaps now 2 voices are vying for dominance in your psyche: one is your newly found confident voice with which you just spoke to your parents. And the other is the āgood oldā (actually bad old) inner critic, caused by years of criticism and telling you youāre not good enough?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes I think maybe itās that. How to tackle that and make the newly found voice stronger?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Iām slowly starting to believe about some positive things about myself but I do still have kind of inferiority complex even though I donāt compare myself to others</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>You mean you are not longing for external validation? But you also feel that your inner āvalidatorā is not strong enough?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes Exactly </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>What exactly do you feel you are missing right now?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Thatās the thing. Iām not sure sometimes I feel like I need to befriend with myself so I donāt feel alone or just self-sabotage and waste time</p>
SereneWolfParticipant<p style=”text-indent: 12.25pt; line-height: 19.2pt; background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Hi Tee,</p>
<p style=”text-indent: 12.25pt; line-height: 19.2pt; background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>You nailed it! You pinpointed the main problem: his too high expectations and immediate criticism, instead of allowing you the time to learn things (and having patience and empathy with you). And he was like that since your childhood. No room for mistakes and a demand for perfection, or else he was quick to get angry.</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>And I loved that you were so self-confident with him: telling him that you areĀ obviouslyĀ going to do it well. Yes! Thatās the spirit! You didnāt feel less then, or not good enough, but you confidently told him that yes, you can do it, you are able to, you just need a little bit of time to get the hang of it. Perfect!</p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Thanks! I think Iām finally able to start working on my new identity shift. Also grateful because of you š</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So your mother behaved the same way as she did in your childhood: trying to pacify you, so you wouldnāt provoke him. She wanted you to walk on eggshells around him, so he wouldnāt explode in anger. Basically, she was appeasing the bully (and trying to control you, his victim).</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>How are you feeling today? Still good or there are some doubts or feeling of guilt, or anything like that?</p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>So for that matter itās like 10 days now. And I think thereās no feeling of guilt. Although My father does started to tell my mom (Not to me or my brother directly) that weāre not obedient like before. We siblings talk back a lot. And My mother still just listens to that. But she did told me that if you think itās hurting you then speak up I didnāt speak up in all these years so I donāt speak up or just rarely. </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>It seems the inner protector ā the inner Uncle Iroh ā has activated himself in this latest encounter with your parents. Do you still feel the presence of this positive inner voice?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Hmm I think Yes. But because of his patterns I knew what heās going to do so I sorta decided that this time I wonāt be silent Iāll speak up. So I guess Inner voice helped me to stand up for myself? </p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes, you do have your own voice, which can speak for you and defend you from attacks. I think itās wonderful that you experienced that you are actually able to defend yourself and stand up for yourself. And this gave you a sense of power. Because if you can stand up for yourself, you are powerful. If you can say No to abuse, you are powerful.</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Simply knowing that we have the ability to protect ourselves (from other peopleās abuse, unreasonable demands, unfair expectations etc) gives us enormous inner power.</p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes! Thanks for the reminder</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yess! That was a great success ā your dream come true, and something you have been longing for a long time. And you made it! So yes, that too proved how powerful you are: because you can achieve your goals and dreams.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes actually this is a big point for my identity shift because of my past failures I was considering myself as a failure </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Okay, it could be that some ārewritingā of your childhood experiences happened in this very encounter with your parents. Because in this encounter, youāve got the experience of standing up for yourself and speaking your truth, and not allowing to be silenced and guilt-tripped into obedience. If you still feel good about it, without doubt or guilt creeping in, then some ārewritingā has happened for sure.</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes I definitely think so, and there are some other ārewritingsā are needed to remove the old beliefs </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Is there a part of you which still expects validation from your parents (and grandparents) that you are making good choices? Like, you know that you are right, but a part of you is still doubting it?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>No I donāt think I need validation from them. </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Do you feel that you still donāt believe positive things about yourself? That even though you receive praise from other people, you still have a hard time believing it?</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-spacing: 0px; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Perhaps now 2 voices are vying for dominance in your psyche: one is your newly found confident voice with which you just spoke to your parents. And the other is the āgood oldā (actually bad old) inner critic, caused by years of criticism and telling you youāre not good enough?</p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes I think maybe itās that. How to tackle that and make the newly found voice stronger?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Iām slowly starting to believe about some positive things about myself but I do still have kind of inferiority complex even though I donāt compare myself to others</p>
<p style=”background: white; box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>You mean you are not longing for external validation? But you also feel that your inner āvalidatorā is not strong enough?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Yes Exactly </p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Ā </p><p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>What exactly do you feel you are missing right now?</p>
<p style=”background: white; margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt 0cm;”>Thatās the thing. Iām not sure sometimes I feel like I need to befriend with myself so I donāt feel alone or just self-sabotage and waste time</p>
SereneWolfParticipantCiao Tee,
This week ended like blink of an eye and I didn’t even worked that much. It’s Friday again, Your heath is getting better? Have you tried any ayurvedic things?
If you want a wake-up effect, then I guess Latte would be a poor choice, at least for me it is, because all that milk puts me to sleep rather than waking me up š Thatās why I said, Latte is comfort food for me š
Haha I think even little caffeine should work. Too much caffeine isnāt good for the person who isnāt consuming caffeine daily. Donāt you think?
Yeah, same with my mother. No words of encouragement, no praise ā that too spoils the kid. It was a kind of a Spartan upbringingā¦
Spartan Upbringing I like the words you used. So that makes us warriors? I guess so lol
Well, she didnāt have an affectionate mother herself, so she didnāt really experience love and affection. But the saddest part is that she thought highly of her mother and never allowed any criticism of her. Even though her mother was a very critical, strict and cold parent.
My mother even blamed herself for not being a good enough daughter⦠so there was never even a glimmer of awareness about how bad effect her mother had on her. And unfortunately, due to that lack of awareness, she never worked on her own healing and only transferred her trauma on to me (which is how generational trauma happens).
Ohh I see. Itās like putting hands on your eyes and then tell others that youāre blind. And the another thing is that if she thought that she wasnāt good enough daughter, didnāt she thought that now I have my own daughter I should raise her right that so she would feel good enough? Generational trauma sucks and I can see it in my family and Iāll be the who will break the generation trauma in our bloodline
Hahaha⦠thatās quite a unique way to express affection. I thought he was checking whether you have fever or not š But if you feel he wants to be closer to you nowadays, but only knows how to do it in clumsy ways, well, that counts too š
Yeah he doesnāt know how to show affection. I kinda had a same problem in my first ever relationship but I think now itās much better. I hug my siblings often. My mother and grandma and even some relatives.
Yeah, could be. I think Acts of service and Quality time is also whatās important to him, actually to both of us. And Words of affirmation too. Neither of us is big on gifts though, or going out to dinners and special occasions. So we more or less speak 4 love languages, and the 5th isnāt important to either of us š
Haha surprisingly very similar to what I had with my Long term LDR girlfriend. Mine was also Acts of service and Quality time and after that other love languages Ā and gift werenāt important for either of us.
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Oh my! Your real uncle is your Uncle Iroh then!! Thatās amazing! To have such a loving and caring elder ā someone who appreciates you so much and trusts you ā thatās such a blessing.
You should learn from him about relationships! Because you said he married out of love, to a good, smart woman. Which means it is possible, SereneWolf. He is your proof.
Thanks, we do meet less though. Although because of this I feel like his father doesnāt like me. But my uncle told me to ignore that.
And Yeah heās big on relationships. Business and personal both. I also admire my aunt. Their love is really awesome. They studied together and then dated for like over 7 years they already decided that they want to get married and just before 2 months of the engagement he had a bad accident and he lost his leg (now he has a artificial leg and he walks fine). So my auntās parents said we donāt want this wedding to happen. But my aunt was firm and she said that no matter what happens Iām going to marry him. And against her parentsā decision she married to him which is quite a big thing for a woman here. And her own parents didnāt talked to her for over 3 years.
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Oh, so sheās not only smoking, but also tends to drink a lot. She has anger issues but it seems she uses alcohol to āsootheā her pain. And she likes to vent a lot and fume, but itās only like letting out a bit of steam from a pressure cooker ā she is not really working on healing her issues.
About healing the issues. Hereās the fun part. Sheās on therapy for over 4 years
This is similar to what you were doing in your LDR ā caring about the girlās health and that she is getting proper rest, is eating well etc. So this is the same kind of āsaviorā behavior with this girl too. And this girl is trouble, similar to your first LDR.
So beware of that ā that you might get sucked into another savior kind of relationship, where you want to āparentā a troubled girl, who doesnāt really want to go to therapy and work on her issues. Perhaps now you would be a more compassionate and understanding parent, because youāve worked on yourself, but nevertheless still in a parental role. And thatās not a good recipe for a relationship.
No. I think youāre misunderstanding. First thing is that I donāt even count her as my love interest. Thatās why I said it was kinda puppy love feeling for me because maybe I felt lonely and we talked a lot. Another thing is that I never even had a friend who smokes and drinks that much they lose their senses. So I get really worried like what if something happens to her?
Thatās good! It seems you are attracted to problematic girls, whom you want to help improve, and thatās a part of the excitement you feel about her. So be aware of thatā¦
Hmm really? Because itās been a while, I didnāt even had proper interaction with the woman. Including the latest one I only talked to her over the phone and texting. And Iām not attached to her anymore I think I was curious because she seemed little bit mysterious at first
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Okay, so she was able to accept you as you are, with all your good and bad sides. You didnāt need to pretend with her. And you could vent to her, and she would listen. It didnāt overwhelm her. But you see ā you didnāt feel that ātensionā and excitement with her that you feel now with this latest girl. And it could be because she didnāt need fixing. You even felt a little inferior to her (I remember you mentioned that).
Yes I did felt inferior at first but after a while I was quite comfortable with her. There was physical and even some romantic attraction but I didnāt continue with her because of my fear. Like if something good like this would end, Iād feel so much hurt so I didnāt let her too close to my heart
So perhaps she was intimidating because you felt not good enough for her? And this one ā the problematic girl ā doesnāt feel intimidating because you feel better than her? And so you feel safe?
No judgment here ā I am just asking those questions, so you could get to the bottom of the problem. Because I am seeing the same pattern as before, and perhaps now is the time to become aware of the pattern and try to break it (or rather, heal it).
I mean like I said I stopped comparing a while ago and I donāt see her as better or worse than me. And Iām not sure about pattern either because for pattern I need to actually go out and date someone donāt you think so? Iām getting bored of phone and texting.
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It seems that caring, empathic girls donāt really attract you in the romantic sense ā but you only stay friends with them. And then they find a guy and move on. And you are left alone. It seems like self-sabotage. A good girl, capable of emotional intimacy, isnāt attractive to you romantically. Because you are afraid of that deep vulnerability, which comes with a romantic relationship. So yeah, it all seems to be a part of the same pattern.
Ohh no no I think Iām really craving a caring and empathic woman, Even in a romantic sense, If you remember I felt like I had a feeling that I want someone to baby me. And itās not like they move on, But itās obvious thing that theyāre gonna spend more time with their partners and then talk to me about what they did. Because thatās what friends do?
I do get attracted a women capable of emotional intimacy. But that part is true that I do fear the emotional intimacy.
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Think about it in the light of what Iāve said above. You want some closeness, but not real closeness. You want to stay on the surface.
Hmm agree with this
Because when you fall in love, you fall in love with problematic people, which drain you (like this latest girl has the potential to drain you). And of course, you donāt want such a relationship.
But the biggest problem is that you are afraid to fall in love with healthy people. With whom you could experience a healthy, fulfilling relationship.
No the thing is when I fall in love, I get obsessed and all in, thatās why I always try to control myself not get attached. Like I said I need to learn slow and soft love. Not hard and fast.
Yeah, you want to be like a sailor, having a different woman in each port š But you know itās not the solution, SereneWolf. Itās an escape. So think about it. Your own uncle managed to have a loving, committed relationship. And he knows what love is. So⦠give it a thoughtā¦.
Lmao! Youāre making it sound spicy! š But yeah Iām aware itās an escape. But with a ray of hope. What if during my journey I meet someone who is really able to touch my heart and able to break down the walls in my heart? Or is that too much hopeful thing to think?
Because I think if I travel and do the activities that I love there will be similar women around who values those things. You see what I mean?
SereneWolfParticipantOops I forgot to change the Name.
Hi Tee!
SereneWolfParticipantHi SereneWolf,
Yeah, I am still a fan of caffeine, only ādilutedā, with plenty of milk. Latte is almost like comfort food for me, so yeah, there is an attachment there, which so far I donāt want to break free from š
Haha I agree, I myself actually enjoy Latte sometimes. Although sometimes I think I should start taking caffeine for a better focus at during worktime. In the morning time I always look so sleepy no matter how many hours I have slept.
Yes, physical affection is very important when weāre babies, because thatās the only language we understand. And if we are caressed and played with, and soothed and held when weāre upset, that means so much for our nervous system and our basic sense of safety. And also, the basic sense of feeling loved, because physical touch means affection.
My mother didnāt like physical affection because I think it didnāt come naturally to her ā because she herself felt so deprived of love and affection (due to her own childhood). So she couldnāt give what she didnāt possess⦠But then she rationalized it by saying that giving hugs and kisses will spoil the child, or that itās fake, that the person giving hugs and kisses isnāt sincere and doesnāt truly love us. So she rationalized her own coldness and emotional detachment, instead of admitting that there is something missing in herā¦
Yes I agree with you.. and itās same like my father, my father thought even words of encouragement spoils the kids. Then hugs and kisses are far away lol
And to be honest itās quite common here not just for my father. But itās surprising for me I though mother figures are mostly affectionate but I guess not in your case.
itās changing though (almost like since covid I think) My father would at least put his hand on my forehand when Iām working on my laptop and when I ask what heās doing that for heās like..To check if you got a headache or not haha
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I have a photo with my father in his lap, when I was maybe 1 or 2 years old, where he is looking at me with great love and affection. But he wasnāt really a hugging type, and we didnāt have much emotional closeness later as I grew up. But he was never aggressive. He just didnāt protect me from my motherās aggression, so thatās his major ācrimeā against me.
Ohhh! No physical affectionate from mother and even from the father side? Must be really hard for you. Yeah, your father didn’t stand up against your mother when he should have, just like my mother should have for me.
Actually yes, I myself used to be rather restrained in expressing physical affection. I think one of the main reasons was that I felt empty inside, I felt like I have nothing to give. But that was before setting on my healing journey. Now I am more free, but still not super touchy-feely.
Luckily, my husband is the touching type. He likes to give me hugs and back rubs, and I enjoy it like a baby š He definitely made up for what I was missing as a child, both in terms of physical and emotional affection. So thatās been a huge blessing in my life.
Itās kinda similar to me! Like now I know I have so much love to give. But sometimes I still do get this feeling of emptiness like I have nothing to give.
Iām glad you got touching type husband. You believe in 4 love languages? Because sounds like your husband’s love language is physical touch
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Aw thatās wonderful! Your uncle must really like you and appreciate you a lot. I hope you can take it in and allow your heart to open up, to receive his love. Because he seems genuine in his expression of love, and you said you donāt like people who are kind in a fake way, because they usually want something from you.
But it seems your uncle is an example of someone who genuinely cares about you, so perhaps next time he gives you a hug, try to really receive his love and open your heart? (if you havenāt already)
Yes he does appreciate me. He trust me at that level that he put his power attorney on my name. and he told me that during my lifetime I have never seen honest and humble person like you. And he did a love marriage and my aunt is also very wise lady. So he told me Heās only vulnerable with two person. One with his wife and one me. I think heās also one of the reason I got entrepreneurial spirit.
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When she complains about work, what do you do?
I just listen. I donāt try to give her solutions and when she works late after that she drinks a lot and then get all āhorny drunkā then I try that she could sleep on time so she can have proper rest. But itās been like 5 days I havenāt even texted and neither did she
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Okay, so she is someone who gets angry over small things? And she freely expresses that anger? While you get angry only over big things? But even then, you suppress your anger and you donāt say anything to the person who is mistreating you or otherwise doing something you find unacceptable. This is what you said about the incident when your nephew and other kindergarten kids went to the doctor:
I got so much angry but I didnāt want to disrespect a woman inside a hospital there so I controlled myself and stayed calm.Yes she expresses her anger quite freely and I donāt. But I think itās getting better
Just today evening I screamed at my grandpa. And I have never done that before! I talked back and screamed at my father sometimes in my teenage. But never to my grandpa. Even my father thinks twice when he has to tell him something. But today he was being rude with my grandma so I couldnāt help myself and I had a verbal fight with Him. He literally got up to hit me but I didnāt budge. Like if you want to hit me. But donāt be rude with my grandma like sheās nothing. Like he only likes when everyone is agreeing with him and my grandma disagreed with him so he got angry. So I think itās another achievement for me
Btw, is she (your new love interest) the kind of person who speaks up for herself when needed, or she only vents to you, but doesnāt dare to e.g. speak to her bosses?
Naah I donāt think she speak up to her bosses. Because she would be texting me even while working. And watching Instagram reels while working. And she has quite a bad relationship with her parents she speaks to them only when needed.
If I remember well, your previous girlfriend (the doctor) praised you for being so calm and composed. But that was likely only a persona, because your anger is deeply buried. And maybe thatās why you didnāt like her, because you didnāt allow yourself to be authentic with her (and by being authentic, I mean expressing your anger too). So perhaps you felt that she likes your persona (the part which you were comfortable showing), but not the real you?
Hmm tbh I donāt think that was the reason. And when Iām with her I did feel that she is someone that is capable of accepting the whole me. Iām saying because the way she was talking to me and also many times she reassured me that I can have bad feelings and I can allow myself to be sad and angry in front of her. And I used to vent about things with her.
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One thing I am hearing is that good friends leave when they find a partner. You had a certain closeness with her, a certain emotional intimacy, but I guess neither of you were interested in a romantic relationship? And then you lost that closeness once she found a boyfriend and moved away, right?
And with this recent female friend, she found a boyfriend and started talking about him enthusiastically, and you donāt like it:
Right. Totally platonic. And I did noticed that my female friends are good listeners than my male friends and kinda more empathic. So I tend to be more vulnerable with my female friends
Perhaps you are feeling a sense of loss of that deeper bond that you used to have ā which always disappears when your female friend gets into a relationship? And also, there seems to be a longing for something you donāt have:
Yes I think soā¦
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Perhaps when they tell you these things, you get reminded of the good times in your own romantic relationships ā good times which lasted for only a short while, and only in the beginning. But then the anger, upset and anxiety would set in (at least it was like that with your LDR, with whom you stayed for almost 3 years, if I remember well?). So there seems to be a longing for a relationship, but also fear because it never turned out well.
Yes exactly!
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You want something ālightā, as opposed to āhardā, which you believe a committed relationship is. But ālightā can only work with someone who doesnāt want to be committed (i.e. someone with intimacy issues, like you), or someone who is hoping to change you, like your ex did. She was hoping that you would get madly in love with her and wonāt be able to live without her ā even though you told her you have attachment issues. But she was hoping you would changeĀ for her.
Anyway, ālightā relationship isnāt the real solution. Itās an escape from fear. And fear is lying to you that a loving, committed relationship is hard work and involves a lot of sacrifices.
Maybe it would help if you wrote down everything you believe about a loving, committed relationship and what it involves. Perhaps it would shed some light on the various (false) assumptions you have around it?
Iām thinking short term situationships would make me feel lighter and still have that sense of closeness with someone? Like Friend+Lover you know? Ā and itās also good because now Iām also capable of travelling so Iāll be changing the places frequently. Then why tie myself to a serious relationship? Because I literally despise LDR now. There is no way I want a LDR with someone I really really love. I’d want her to be with me. Not far away longing for me.
Like think about it, If Iād be just dating a local woman from the city that Iām staying. Itās also good for activities and time spending outside the work. So spending good time together and some sweet memories and then say see ya senorita on the next adventure…
Sounds silly enough? lol
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
Como stai?
Iāve got to tell you this! So the traumatic event that we talked about from my childhood? It was actually repeated yesterday evening but this time I was quite ready because I already decided I wonāt back down and Imma fight. So we were doing the celling colouring work. And my father was like donāt do like that do it like this, and I was like ask a professional worker if you want it perfectly because Iāll do it how I know, Iām not the expert colouring worker. He snapped obviously. So he was like yeah now youāll say find worker and blah blah, I said Hold on I never said to do it all by myself. If you want to do it by yourself you can do it. and I went working nearby balcony and he was working with my brother. So my mother came to me and she was like you know him why you wanted a fight? So I also told her,. Even about the therapy. Like do you have any idea what this kind of events in my life and suppressed anger is doing to me? If you want you can tell him, He wonāt be able to control me like he did in my childhood. And after that he came to balcony and be like yeah youāre doing well. I was like if you give me few minutes to learn something obviously Iām going to do it well. So he got angry again because I talked back. But I didnāt care. And tbh I felt so alive and proud of myself! It happened yesterday evening but Iām still feeling so good about it.
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I am glad you liked it! You probably saw yourself in that example, and thatās what brought tears to your eyesā¦
Yes Exactly!
Yes, you adopted your fatherās belief that you are not good enough. Christine Hassler often uses the phrase āyou bought into the beliefā¦ā Yes, we as children believe our parentsā view of us. Their critical voice becomes the voice of our inner critic. The external critic becomes internalized. And so the voice of our critical parent(s) keeps living in our head.
Yes I actively need to work replacing critical voice with positive and supportive one.
Yes, itās a good question. Have you thought about it?
Well I think Iāve felt the most powerful just recently like I told you. Because of that I felt like yeah I have my own voice and power why am I keep letting them control me?
And another time when I finally got a fully remote job in sustainability!
Hmm What else? Can I also count when I learned to Bicycling and Driving? Because my family thought Iām slow and scared of it, so I wouldnāt learn that
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You mean you donāt feel ready to do the exercise with the inner child, which she did with her client? Or you donāt remember a particular situation, which you would want to go back to and ārewriteā?
I mean I already tried, I also know the particular situation (the one I just mentioned) I think that situation from my childhood is the most memorable one. But the feeling the truth by I mean like Iām right and I shouldnāt feel like only elder family members tell me is the truth. Like I literally feel like I need to build my own voice persona from scratch. Because the thing is even the positive voices are coming externally. Not from within, Like how some of my friends praise me, how my co-workers praise me for my work, the women Iāve been with tells me how kind, passionate and caring I am.
Like I donāt feel like I actually need external validation, Iām not longing for those voices. But itās just there. You know what I mean?
I need to connect with myself on deeper level. But you can feel free to tell me how can I “rewrite” from your perspective.
SereneWolfParticipantHi Tee,
my weekends (this one too) are usually peaceful, taking a light walk, sitting on the terrace of my favorite cafe, drinking my latte. Quite enjoyable, even if simple š
Love that! Iām glad you had a nice weekend. Very similar to what I like in weekends. Except caffeine.
Oh Iāve heard of Ashwagandha, as a remedy for anxiety. I can imagine it can actually help, if it calms down the nervous system. As for yoga, it is not recommended, since it involves a lot of bending, which is counter indicated. So no yoga for me, unfortunatelyā¦
Ah I see. You can try and see if Ashwagandha or other Ayurvedic things that may help you
Do you remember any of such instances? Because I donāt, and I donāt think I had many either, since my mother was not really a fan of caressing and physical touch. And I spent almost a year as an infant at my grannyās, who was even colder than my mother⦠so I can imagine I didnāt get much cuddling, and in general that sense that they (my parents) are happy to have me in their life. Perhaps a little bit from my father, but I donāt really remember.
Ohh thatās interesting. I think Iāve read it somewhere and now itās connecting the dots. Lack of physical affection is even worse than the emotional neglect. Because it has that feeling of safety. Like I got you, donāt worry. And we both didnāt got it. My mother used to caress my head sometimes and my grandma as well. But Iām quite sure no physical touch from my father. Only aggression.
But because of that you think it kinda turn us into not touchy people? Except the sexual touch obviously. Like even now I feel awkward when someone tries to hug me. Yet I do get little emotional. One of my uncle is really extrovert and I have a good relationship with him and the thing is that he always hugs me. Literally like half minute hug. Not a quick one. And that guy has a germophobia. We meet rarely but whenever we do. We talk a lot.
What about you? Because of lack of physical affection it still affects you?What are you excited about? I mean, what are you getting in the interaction with her?
Hmm We talk just about similar things. She complins about work. We both are into cats so we talk about cats a lot too. Other than that just flirting here and there. But itās been 3 days I havenāt talked to her. She texted me and asked that If Iām angry at her. I said thereās nothing like that. Iām just not in the mood and I donāt want to make you feel down because of me.
Also I think I did well that I forced myself to not texting. Because Now I donāt have the itch to check my phone if she texted me. So I kinda feel better lol
If itās infatuation, it does mean she is meeting some need of yours, or you are hoping she could meet it⦠an unmet need.
Something just occurred to me: you said she is dramatic, always on the verge of anger. Whereas you keep your anger suppressed. So perhaps thatās what you like about her? Her freedom to express anger? So perhaps this is what she has, which you would like to have too, and it is attractive?
Ohh I havenāt looked from that POV. But I donāt think so, I donāt want to mimic something like that. Specially not getting angry over small things. Because it takes a lot to make me angry. I already have a calm image even for myself.
I get that ā you are confused about what youāre feeling for this girl, youāre internally conflicted. And so you canāt really be happy for your friend, because you are fighting your own inner battle. Is that whatās going on?
Actually, Iām not sure. And it happened before with one of my other friends too. We used to talk a lot and share a lot of things and then She got into relationship and then they decided to move to Canada together. Now we talk rarely. And itās not just talking but I think somewhere in between I have to learn to accept that people come and go. Some stays, some leave. but connections are there. Because another thing is I donāt know how but I always find good people around me or make good new friends again.
And about this girl Iām sure I donāt want to move forward. But thing is that it just feel weirdly painful when I hear like āOhh my bf made a playlist for meā. āOhh he surprised me with flowersā It reminds me of myself when I was in relationship
Oh I see, you mean dating brings something new and exciting. Well yes, it does, but it also brings up your fear of relationships, which is happening now again, with this girl⦠And thatās what makes you question whether you actually want a more serious relationship or just something superficial, to have fun. I think it is your fear speaking: the fear of intimacy is telling you to only seek superficial relationships. Because you do want a relationship, but youāre afraid of being hurtā¦
Okay so I think we should discuss about this in depth. According my situation, Because again I just tend to think rationally instead of emotionally,
I know I donāt want a superficial relationship. But because I donāt feel ready what if I start with something like situationship first instead of go all in serious romantic relationship and overwhelm myself?
I’ll answer for the video related question in the other part.
SereneWolfParticipantHey Tee,
How was your weekend?Thanks, I am trying my best. In the past year or so Iāve started becoming aware of the layers of fear that I grew up with, out of which health anxiety is just one manifestation. So I am looking at fear, feeling it in my body, and trying to separate myself from it (so that it doesnāt take me over me completely). Itās not easy, but Iāve made some progressā¦. and there is still a lot of work in front of me.
Thatās needs deep self-awareness and good amount of control so Iād say youāre doing quite well
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No, I havenāt. Not sure it would work for spine problems though?
It should be. Try to find good Ayurvedic Practitioner in your area maybe?
Usually for spines there are Remedies that could include Ā Ashwagandha, Shallaki and Guggulu then thereās also Panchkarma and various Yoga Asanas as per your condition.So perhaps you want some of that feeling of being cuddled and loved just because someone really enjoys your presence? (just like our parents should have enjoyed our presence, but with many parents it unfortunately wasnāt the case).
I think yeah and I know I had these moments in my childhood but I simply canāt recall those memories now but just the low feeling stuff.
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Actually, by appreciation I meant what I described above: enjoying our presence, being happy to have us around, seeing us as special, appreciating having us in their life. What we should get from our parents as children. Basically giving us the message: āI am happy to have you in my lifeā.
Yeah I think I needed this before and I do need it now too
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How do you feel with her? If you feel lightness (as in not being criticized by her, not needing to behave in a certain way so she wouldnāt be offended, the ability to just be yourself without needing to present yourself in a certain way), thatās a good sign.
Also, if you can let go of the need to change her, e.g. to judge her for her smoking, or for her ābeing on the verge of angerā, or for any other behaviour. If you would be embarrassed to introduce her to your parents, for example, thatās not a good sign. It means there is something that bothers us about the personās behaviour, and we canāt accept them as they are but would like to change them.
Well, you did say you want someone to baby you. So I guess you do long for that intimacy and closeness (physical and emotional) with someone. So this might increase your interest in herā¦
I donāt feel at ease with her. I just get excited like a baby. And yeah lot of her behaviour, I simply canāt accept it for longer term. I think itās just puppy love or infatuation. I donāt know if Iām trying to feel some void just like some distraction. So I try to reply her late and then she also does the same. Heck since yesterday I donāt like to talk to one of my friends whoās got into new relationship. Because she always be talking about how good and nice he is. I know as a friend I should be supportive but yeah Iām just not in the right mindset. But one thing is that yearning for is growing and I donāt like it. The more I try to resist it the more itās growing
You mean you feel like you are not wasting your time if you are dating and meeting new people? Perhaps you feel the pressure of settling down and starting a family, which is another expectation on yourself? (and it is actually coming from the outside, i.e. your own parents and family)?
Hmm I donāt mean by dating more like adding better and meaning activities instead of mundane same routine everyday things. Nowadays I donāt feel the pressure of settling down. and dating is something new so.. I don’t know I still want to date just for fun not like creating deep and meaningful relationship but maybe that’s what alright for now?
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Yeah, thatās unfortunate because thatās when we are the most vulnerable and impressionable ā as children. Believing that it doesnāt matter because they are children is exactly the opposite of truth.
Yeah exactly!
I donāt know, you might want to tell your sister that children are super sensitive, so teachers, doctors, coaches and other authority figures (as well as parents, of course) should be careful not to say hurtful things and humiliate them, specially in front of their peers, because those are the kinds of wounds that stay foreverā¦
I donāt raise my voice lot of times when I should, and then get angry after that. But next time Iāll try to explain them
And I also watched video you suggested and so it was really relatable and insightful so thanks a lot. I felt like crying after watching that.
Now I know that I need to work on shifting my beliefs
feeling I’m not good enough and being hard on myself because critical father and he me feel little and I thought he was right
So I was emphasizing I must be not worthy
She also asked this really good question tell me about a time when you felt powerful. I need to think about this.
Guided Visualization also seems like a very good practice to tryĀ but I think feeling the truth is the hard part. Because itās been so many years.
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