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ParticipantMy experience with the āletting universe handle thingsā practice had often left me feeling peaceful yet listlessā¦ thatās not the right wordā¦ I found taping into the energy to change or start something new became more difficult.
I could feel great about myself and life when I was alone doing my own thing, calm, at peaceā¦ but interacting with the necessities of life (relationships, shelter, need to eatā¦) that calm quickly dissipated.
I wondered if like Gautama (or most spiritual masters), the only way to achieve this āletting goā was to leave ones family and avoid lifeās interactions.As my nature/destiny/fate/doom was unlikely to avoid the necessity of dealing with the necessity of life I felt I was in a rock and a hard place. Worse as indicated above with each cycle as I found I could accept life as it is I found less and less energy for action.
It seemed to me the practice of āletting universe handle thingsā was more nuanced then I had been practicing it.
Today my understanding of letting the universe handle things is that it is not about being passive but about learning how to say YES to life as it is, LOVE life as it is, the good the bad and the ugly, while living out and pursuing your truth as you know it in the moment. Easier said than done.
Could I say YES to a person and or experience, while still living and pursuing my truth as I understand it in that moment even if that meant standing up against the situation, experience or person?
The question sounded paradoxical to me and I knew this wasnāt a ālove the person hate the sinā kind of thing as I knew that saying yes was saying yes to the āsinā as well. (I define sin as missing the mark in becoming) How could I say yes when I was also saying no.
I came across a story of a Japanese Samurai whose master was murdered. His truth as he understood his duty required that he find the murderer and kill him. In the moment he is about to kill the man the murderer spits at him at which point angered the Samurai sheaths his sword and walks away.
Had the Samurai killed the man form a place of anger and hate would have been saying No to life as it is, No to who he was, No to the murderer as he wasā¦ and so walked away. Saying YES to life as it is and living out his truth in that moment that required that he walk away.
Killing the murder and not killing the murder because he was angry where both acts of LOVE.
LOVE it seemed to me means saying YES to LIFE as it IS with Life requiring that I live it.
Itās a work in progress but my gut says this is the right path for me as it helps me tap into the energy I need to live my truth. One can live ones truth without hate, vengeance, judgments, labels, pursuit of some this thing we call justiceā¦..
Wow how far off track did I go.
Peter
ParticipantMemories are stories we tell ourselves about our past – John Slattery
I believe we become the stories we tell ourselves and must learn to discern the difference between a memory that has become our story and a story that contains references to memory.
Readying your life it appears to me that painful memory of the past has become your present story.
You are stuck.
Memory is a trickster. Many unconsciously assume that they remember things as they happened even the motivation and expenses of others as that appear as part of that memory. We are almost always wrong. Consciousness is has a very limited bandwidth and tends to focus attention to very specific aspects of our experiences. We can never know the whole story.
I do not mean to imply that the negative experiences you had didnāt happen to you. Instead Iām hoping, that by understanding that you can’t know the whole story, you can create some space, some breathing room that might allow for grace – For yourself and others, but here I think more importantly for yourself.
It would be my hope that you realize that the memories of our past does not have to define the story of your experience today.
I highly recommend the books
āCrucial Conversations: Tools for Talking When Stakes Are High, āand
āChange Anything: The New Science of Personal Successā
– both by Kerry PattersonBoth processes start by owning the stories we tell ourselves, which when we do improves the conversations we can have with others and ourselves (self-talk).
We become the stories we tell, so tell a good one.
Peter
ParticipantIt only a mistake if you donāt learn from the experience.
The āmistakesā you mentioned seem to come from a place of trying to do too much too quickly with an underling fear of not being perfect. I am a firm believer, having personal experiences that we create what we fear. Slow down, breath, create some space and you will find that you will become even more proficient at your job.
The notes I handle no better than many pianists. But the pauses between the notes ah, that is where the art resides. Artur Schnabel
āThe music is not in the notes, but in the silence between themā. – Claude Debussy
Allow life to be music
Recommend the following book.
āStopping: How to Be Still When You Have to Keep Goingā by David KundtzPerfectionist ā holding yourself to standards that you donāt hold others toā¦ (some might experience that as arrogance) ā¦ we love others as we love ourselvesā¦ what are you saying about yourselves when you apply the label of perfectionist as a part of our being.
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ParticipantFor me this appears to be a problem of measurement and labeling. On the whole we suck at measuring emotional experience and then compound the problem with labeling the experience and the person or self as being the label. For example the measurement that having many sexual partners is bad, there for a person who has many sexual partners is bad. The person becoming the labels created.
The map is not the territory, the word tree is not a treeā¦ we are more than the sum of our parts and labels.
You must live your values as you understand them. If you are having to validate those values via the application of labels the danger is the creation of a I ā It experience vice a I ā Thou experience.
Each person is unique, more than the sum of their parts (and past).
Peter
ParticipantWe experience guilt when we know we did, or feel we have done, something wrong. When we are unsure we have done something wrong we experience something else. Discerning what that something else is, requires a great deal of discernment.
Guilt and shame sometimes go hand in hand; the same action may give rise to feelings of both shame and guilt, where the former reflects how we feel about ourselves and the latter involves an awareness that our actions have injured someone else. In other words, shame relates to self, guilt to others.
Sometimes I find it difficult to discern the difference to the feeling of guilt and shame. Often I think that undeserved feelings of quilt are really experienced as undeserved shame, and that the difference is important.
From what you wrote I think you may be experiencing undeserved shame.
Maybe itās all semanticsā¦ however it seems to me you have taken on the responsibility of your fatherās feelings and state of mind which has left you feeling bad (equating feeling bad with quilt) about who you are as a daughter and person. As this relates to how you feel about yourself that would be shame. An undeserved shame.
Anyway
I found the fallowing book helpful
‘Shame and Grace: Healing the Shame We Don’t Deserve’ by Lewis B. Smedes-
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ParticipantI found myself returning to the following book
āLearning to Fall: The Blessings of an Imperfect Lifeā by Philip SimmonsāWe are allāall of usāfalling. We are all, now, this moment, in the midst of that descent, fallen from heights that may now seem only a dimly remembered dream, falling toward a depth we can only imagine, glimpsed beneath the waterās surface shimmer. And so let us pray that if we are falling from grace, dear God let us also fall with grace, to grace. If we are falling toward pain and weakness, let us also fall toward sweetness and strength. If we are falling toward death, let us also fall toward life.ā
Peter
Participantsorry the guy is playing a game. Hes creating the continuations to force you to make the decision so that he can think of himself as the wronged misunderstood party. If life if a stage this is not the play you want to have a staring role in.
From what you wrote it is unlikely this guy will make your relationship a priority. Such men have to experience the pain of loss before they are ready for relationship.
That does not mean you should wait for him to learn as we teach people how to treat us. If he learns the lesson and you startup the relationship again he will back slid. This is the nature of Love, sometimes it requires we move on in order to learn the lessons it has for us.
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October 11, 2016 at 8:26 am in reply to: A Question For Those Who Are Going Through Depression and Anxiety #117774Peter
ParticipantāThere is no point treating a depressed person as though she were just feeling sad, saying, ‘There now, hang on, you’ll get over it.’ Sadness is more or less like a head cold- with patience, it passes. Depression is like cancer.ā ā Barbara Kingsolver,
Depression is insidious, a vampire that sucks away ones creative energy, a zombie bite turning you into one of the living dead.
Itās interesting as a Zombie desire for brain is the desire to live off the thinking and memories of others.
I suspect my experience of depression is more Zombie like as it relates to the stories I tell myself and put on repeat, leaving me in a state where I feel Iām living life as one already dead.
Perhaps a part of me thinks that if I repeat a story enough times I might change the ending. And of course there is the habit of comparing my experiences with those around me and the expectations I about how life and life āshouldā be. So much garbage.
Perhaps an existential problem, meaning purposeā¦ Yet my depression seems deeper than that something more even feeling. When I fall into the pit of depression I donāt feel anything perhaps because I feel everything all at once so it is not my negative emotions that keep me stuck, but the stories I am telling myselfā¦ yet even that.. Itās the story of depression that I can no longer see ending.
I am depressed because I am depressed because I am depressedā¦
āA human being can survive almost anything, as long as she sees the end in sight. But depression is so insidious, and it compounds daily, that it’s impossible to ever see the end.ā
ā Elizabeth WurtzelPeter
ParticipantThe profile picture you picked to represent yourself shows you have been able to maintain an eye and connection to beauty even you have yet to realize it as part of who you are.
Let the image of the rolling waves of love create the space for you to realize what is already present within.
Deep peace of the running wave to you.
Deep peace of the flowing air to you.
Deep peace of the quiet earth to you.
Deep peace of the shining stars to you.
Deep peace of the gentle night to you.
Moon and stars pour their healing light on you.
Deep peace of the infinite peace to you,Gaelic Blessing
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ParticipantThat life requires the sacrifice of life we latterly change with every breath we take yet we donāt generally experience that as change
I agree that we change objective measurable qualities quite often however it seems to me that our experience of ourselves that makes those changes (assuming we don’t identify our sense of selves with our thoughts, ideas, goals…) changes very little.
Peter
ParticipantI was thinking about what you wrote last night and an image come to mind of someone who was not just stuck but blocked. Not to be crude but the word that came to mind was constipated. Perhaps the difficulty in letting go of past experiences was in away leaving you mentally and or emotionally constipated.
I then saw an image of you as a freely running river, someone who was able to allow their experiences to move through them, taking in the nutritious parts of the experiences and expelling the rest. I know itās odd.
Part of the practice of āalchemyā required the alchemist to enter into the task they are performing. That as the various metals were melted so they could be purified they experienced the purification within themselves. I am a firm believer that when we enter into a physical practice of some kind in this manner we can transform our inner being as well. (I used ballroom dance)
This might sound strange but I wondered what might happen if you took some time by yourselves and tried one of those cleansing and detoxification programs while meditating on the process of letting go. That as you work on the physical you also work on the inner.
What might life be like if your memories could freely flow through you without them overly influencing your present?
I know itās odd and Iām surprised I sharing these thoughts but what the hay, even if they just make you laugh, Nothing wrong with a good laugh.
Best wishes on your Journey.
Peter
ParticipantThere is an art to forgiveness. Many feel that if they forgive they are saying that what happened to them was ok and that they now must allow those who have hurt them back into their lives. But that is not so.
Forgiveness can create the space for the wronged to move forward from the experience.
For a word that is often used it is surprising how little the word forgiveness is understood. Don’t let your heart harden and in hardening keep everything bottled up.
I found the following book on Forgiveness quite helpful.
The Art of Forgiving by Lewis B. SmedesāForgiving does not erase the bitter past. A healed memory is not a deleted memory. Instead, forgiving what we cannot forget creates a new way to remember. We change the memory of our past into a hope for our future.ā
To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you. Lewis B. Smedes
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Peter
ParticipantI also can relate with the constant looping self-talk keeping me stuck in place. I suspect that as a graduate in philosophy you might have a tendency to overthink things.
The story of Cinderella comes to mind as this is a story about what to do when your suck and experiencing the time of ashes.
In the story Cinderella has lost contact with her mother and father. As an archetypal inner energy the Father provides protection, guidance, discipline while the Mother our ability to nurture and love ourselves. (We all need to become our āown mother and fatherā and learn to nurture, guide and protect our authentic selves. This is one of the tasks of becoming.)
In the story Cinderella is stuck with the step mother (negative self-talk) and so not able to nurture her authentic self. Even her creative possibilities, what she felt were her gifts seem to work against the self and become un-relatable. (Step sisters)
It is during this time that the task is to take care of the daily jobs required, to tend the garden, take out the trash. To do what you need and have to do as best you avoiding the temptation to over think, measure the experiences.
This creates the space for what could be called the numinous movement, the invitation to the ball. The time where without our trying to control the situation we have the experience, the āmagicalā moment, were all ones experiences come together with purpose, a glimpse of possibilities and dancing with life once more.
Here there may be a temptation to hold fast to such experience, stay to long, recreate them… but that will just leave you stuck in other ways. Such experiences are not meant to last but light the fire of inspiration.
The numinous experience awakens the time for the inner āprinceā archetype. The time of action to seek out a connection to ones being and doing, feeling and thinking nature.
In time of ashes the story advises, as does many wisdom traditions, that we spend time doing the jobs required of us. Perhaps the kind of meditation practice of washing dishes, sweeping floorsā¦ without thinking of doing other things. A focus on the tasks and needs at hand without measurements or judgments that so easily leads to the negative step mother self-talk.
Create the space for possibility and glimpse of what might be and the time to act, to seek out the connection between your feeling and thinking nature and see what new possibility might then be born. Allow it to happen and Trust.
We become the stories we tell ourselves, so write a good one.
Checkout Kathryn Craft the author of āThe Art of Fallingā website, her journey of writing is interesting.
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Peter
ParticipantOne of the tasks of individuation is to connect to our own inner mother and father. We must learn to nurture and protect ourselves.
Gift of getting older ought to be that you don’t have to care so much as to what others think
“The way you react has been repeated thousands of times, and it has become a routine for you. You are conditioned to be a certain way. And that is the challenge: to change your normal reactions, to change your routine, to take a risk and make different choices.” ā Don Miguel Ruiz
“When you repeat a mistake, it is not a mistake anymore: it’s a decision.” ā Paulo Coelho
“Stop comparing where you’re at with where everyone else is. It doesn’t move you farther ahead, improve your situation, or help you find peace. It just feeds your shame, fuels your feelings of inadequacy, and ultimately, it keeps you stuck. The reality is that there is no one correct path in life. Everyone has their own unique journey. A path that’s right for someone else won’t necessarily be a path that’s right for you. And that’s okay. Your journey isn’t right or wrong, or good or bad. It’s just different. Your life isn’t meant to look like anyone else’s because you aren’t like anyone else. You’re a person all your own with a unique set of goals, obstacles, dreams, and needs. So stop comparing, and start living.” ā Daniell Koepke
“You will never be free until you free yourself from the prison of your own false thoughts.” ā Philip Arnold
“When you truly don’t care what anyone thinks of you, you have reached a dangerously awesome level of freedom.”
“Trust yourself. You have survived a lot and you will survive whatever is coming.”
Peter
ParticipantIf you have a activity you enjoy there is probably a group or club that you could join.
In the end if this is something you want you are just going to have to put yourself out their.
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