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PeterParticipant
If Iâm reading you post correctly youâre an intuitive introvert and a bit of a dreamer. Living more in your head then in the material world?
In an overly extroverted world qualities such as introversion and dreamer can be experienced as being at odds with everyone made worse as we imagine that everyone elseâs life is so much bigger than our own.
Sometimes to get out of a cycle you have to fully enter it. Like getting caught in an undertow while swimming you can struggle or let go and let it run its course as you keep your eyes open for the moment to start swimming again.
Instead of fighting the qualities that are part of your authentic self my advice is to learn how to accept them. Once you accept them you will better understand how they are influencing your experiences and then what you need to do to grow.
Recommend: Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can’t Stop Talking by Susan Cain
PeterParticipantPolitically I do think we are heading into a time of a shadow as it seems the lessons we learned through the experience of the horror of past destructive wars was not enough to remain conscious to the reality that we are our bothers keeper and in this together.
“weâre big and I guess weâre small – If you think about it man you know we got it all – Cause weâre all we got on this bouncing ball
PeterParticipantWe recreate and replay scenarios that our authentic self needs us to work through and become conscious of.
âWhen the Past Is Present: Healing the Emotional Wounds that Sabotage our Relationshipsâ by David Rich
We all have a tendency to transfer potent feelings, needs, expectations, and beliefs from childhood or from former relationships onto the people in our daily lives, whether they are our intimate partners, friends, or acquaintances. When the Past Is Present helps us to become more aware of the ways we slip into the past so that we can identify our emotional baggage and take steps to unpack it and put it where it belongs.
⢠Understand how the wounds of childhood become exposed in adult relationshipsâand why this is a gift
⢠Identify and heal the emotional wounds we carry over from the past so that they won’t sabotage present-day relationships
⢠Recognize how strong attractions and aversions to people in the present can be signals of own own unfinished business
⢠Use mindfulness to stay in the present moment and cultivate authentic intimacyPeterParticipantIn the natural world there is no such concepts of good, bad, justice⌠life is.
There is a time and rhythm for all things and at the core of our experiences of life rhythms is the reality that life lives of life, life requires the sacrifice of life. Every breath we take is a sacrifice of life, one form of life for another form. That is life’s awesomeness-it wonder and its fear.
It is I think as we experience the tension that comes about through the confrontation with that reality, sometimes through major life changing experiences but usually the accumulation of 1000 cuts, that we label our experience good and bad.
The question becoming is life, even as it must live off life be good? Can we say yes to life as it is and label it not only good but that it is Love?
In the story of genesis we are confronted with the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Note that it is not the knowledge of what is good and what is evil but only the awareness of a difference in our experiences that we might label good or bad. It is the awakening to the problem of opposites.
What is the good and what is the bad? How can something that feels good be bad? How can something I experience as bad be experienced as good by someone else? How is it that what is good one moment becomes bad in the next? How is it that good often arise from our deepest pain, and pain from our deepest good?
I might argue that it is the tension created by the problem of opposites that creates consciousness. (is consciousness a good?) As all the wisdom traditions teach us one of the steps in the art of becoming requires us reconcile the problem of opposites. Good and Bad are not opposites and so do not âwinâ over the other.
But that answer does not help when you are in pain or witness the pain experienced by others so perhaps not your real question. What is the point of being good?
You must live your truths as you know them to be as you live life within your destiny.
There is no point in being good other than that is who you are. That must be enough in and of itself. Not for some future reward or fear of punishment but because you are being true to your authentic self. Yes you will get it wrong, yes others will hurt you but I truly believe that if you live your truths while being open to learning better and learning better doing better that that matters, and that is good.
I very much recommend the book Fault in our starsâ by John Green who effectively through the power of story explores the question of the problem of good and evil and what is the point.
âI believe the universe wants to be noticed. I think the universe is probably biased toward the consciousness, that it rewards intelligence in part because the universe enjoys its elegance being observed.â â John Green
âThere are infinite numbers between 0 and 1. There’s .1 and .12 and .112 and an infinite collection of others. Of course, there is a bigger infinite set of numbers between 0 and 2, or between 0 and a million. Some infinities are bigger than other infinities.
There are days, many of them, when I resent the size of my unbounded set. I want more numbers than I’m likely to get, and God, I want more numbers for Augustus Waters than he got. But, Gus, my love, I cannot tell you how thankful I am for our little infinity. I wouldn’t trade it for the world. You gave me a forever within the numbered days, and I’m grateful.â â John Green
That is the key â grateful- grateful for the good and the bad we experience, the experience of noticing that if we push through reveals itself as love.
My favorite song “The Riddle” â Five for Fighting
There was a man back in ’95
Whose heart ran out of summers
But before he died, I asked himWait, what’s the sense in life
Come over me, Come over meHe said,
Son why you got to sing that tune
Catch a Dylan song or some eclipse of the moon
Let an angel swing and make you swoon
Then you will see… You will seeThen he said,
Here’s a riddle for you
Find the Answer
There’s a reason for the world
You and I…Picked up my kid from school today
Did you learn anything cause in the world today
You can’t live in a castle far away
Now talk to me, come talk to meHe said,
Dad I’m big but we’re smaller than small
In the scheme of things, well we’re nothing at all
Still every mother’s child sings a lonely song
So play with me, come play with meAnd Hey Dad
Here’s a riddle for you
Find the Answer
There’s a reason for the world
You and I…I said,
Son for all I’ve told you
When you get right down to the
Reason for the world…
Who am I?There are secrets that we still have left to find
There have been mysteries from the beginning of time
There are answers we’re not wise enough to seeHe said… You looking for a clue I Love You free…
The batter swings and the summer flies
As I look into my angel’s eyes
A song plays on while the moon is high over me
Something comes over meI guess we’re big and I guess we’re small
If you think about it man you know we got it all
Cause we’re all we got on this bouncing ball
And I love you free
I love you freelyHere’s a riddle for you
Find the Answer
There’s a reason for the world
You and I..I love you free…
PeterParticipantI would love to work on improving myself if the rest of the world wonât change for me⌠I have to accept that weâre all humans but that is very hard for me to do.. Itâs hard for me to lower my expectations. So please?
The rest of the world is not going to change for you however you can find happiness becoming the change you would like to see.
One of the things I noticed in your post is a concern for how others see you and then how that impacts how you see them.
No matter how intuitive a person maybe we can only imagine what other people are thinking and feeling and the reality is we are wrong most of the time. It is also true that people do not think about us as much as we imagine they do. Like us they are trying to work out their own issues.
The rule of charity suggests that if there are multiple possible explanations for some experience and there is no way to determine which is the correct on, pick the better story.
The truth is itâs usually not a matter of not being able to determine which explanation or story is correct but that we donât ask or act to find out. Instead we tend to assume that we ‘know’ and more often than not pick the most negative story that then sends our experience spiraling downward.
My advice stop worrying about what you imagine others are thinking about and focus on the person you want to be. Like will attract like.
As above so below we are influenced â by focusing on your outer experience your sense of self will be influenced even determined by outer experiences of which you have little control if any.
As Below so above we influence – by focusing on your inner experiences and who you are, becoming the changes you want to see, you take ownership of your sense of self and in that way start to influence your outer experiences.
There is a suggestion to âLove your neighbor as yourselfâ Note that it does not say like.
The reality in life is that we will not always like everyone all the time, even those we love the most and that’s okThatâs the thing, you can still Love someone even in those time you might not like them. In fact those are the times when love is exercised and put into practice and not just some concept or feeling.
If you can connect to the Truth in that and let go of this fear of liking or not liking your heart will lighten.
Start by working on how you love yourself in those time when you might not like yourself or are disappointed in yourself. Can you acknowledge your humanity and still love yourself enough to do better when you learn better without the negative self-talk. Forgive your failings as you forgive the failings of others?
PeterParticipantSorry to be a naysayer
My opinion for what itâs worth â move on.By all means be upfront with him about what you want, but be honest, you donât just want to be friends.
Any “lets be friends” conversation will likely be interpreted as you wanting something more anyway.Ask for what you really want and be ok with the answer. Yes or no
If you settle for maybe, “lets be friends” in all likelihood he is going to open and close this crack in the door over and over again and your worth more then that.
The end is in the beginning.
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PeterParticipantSo what is Change? Everything changes but stays the same.
To âmake America Great Againâ is that a change or a regression?
As a call to return to some âmagicalâ past would it not me more correct to call it a regression. But regression is also a change, if illusionary, as you âcanât step in the same river twiceâ. We fight to hold a moment that no longer exitsThe only thing that never changes is change which means everything stays the same but, perhaps as Nina points out, it is our perception of what we see that changes. The reality was always there we just never notice it and till we do, if always incompletely.
Gnosticism has always fascinated me as it is based on Gnosis, the knowledge of transcendence arrived at by way of interior, intuitive means. Yet the moment such knowing is codified and taught to others as the way such teaching is no longer Gnosis. I view Gnosis as an individual experience that might intuit change but not create it.
Iâve been reading quite about the Gnosis, Goddess, and shamanic cultures. One thing that I have noticed is that they were not able to stand up against the desert masculine god religions. I think that the reason is due to innovation. The above cultures are more likely to accept âlife as it isâ which has little energy for innovation and so easily overcome.
I see the current tension between the âliberalâ and âconservativeâ movement in the same way. The conservative will always be more âinnovativeâ in the ways of politics then the liberal
PeterParticipantI know you are correct Jeena
I’m just disappointed that the movement of awakening to this awareness changes so very little. The pendulum still must swing.
And this is the time of the shadow.PeterParticipantThank you all for all the responses.
I wrote the post after the US election and the disappointment I felt at seeing the American people fall under the influence of the shadow. Historically when nations give into the shadow it does not end well
It had been my hope that the movement of awakening consciousness would have rallied and point to a better way. Instead I saw the movement rendered helpless, we would not change and history will repeat itself. Worse I saw no energy to engage.
I understand that the principle of polarity and rhythm are realties of nature and that light changes to dark through the swing of the pendulum and that this realty are attributes of love as light and dark are not opposites but part of each other. Still I had hope.
I read the posts on the site and am equally discouraged as I hear story after story of people repeating there history in hopes of this time for sure things will change.
I am discouraged
Does accepting the world as it is, life as it is, mean we stop standing up for our truths as we understand them in the moment. Yes open to learning to do better when we know better but still be must stand.
Its sounds like a contradiction to simultaneously stand for your truths and act while at the same time accepting life as it is and that the present is exactly where it is meant to be. This is love
Only Iâm not sure it worth it anymore.
Today is Remembrance Day. We remember so that we donât repeat past horrors and yet as the services end and the people walk away we do forget.
I apologies for the rambling and what likely sounds like babble. I know what it is I want to say but seldom know how to say it.
I am disappointed that Love does not conquer all as the bitter and sweet, light and the dark are also qualities of love. I just tired of being in a time of darkness.
Melanie you my find David Richo book â How to be an Adult in relationships helpful.
Our expectations on what love should look and feel like within committed relationships are often at odds and can get in the way of the intimacy you are seeking. We tend to keep looking for that something and because we are always looking miss the moments when we have it.PeterParticipantI have similar struggles with negative thoughts and measuring myself against what I imagine other peopleâs lives are.
One of the questions I had to wrestle with as i attempted to work through this problem was the question of love itself and what it would look like to âloveâ myself. Like Joni Mitchell I discovered I didnât know love at all – âI’ve looked at love from both sides now from give and take, and still somehow itâs love’s illusions I recall I really don’t know love at allâ
So essentially I was trying to learn to love myself when I didnât have a clear picture or idea⌠of this thing called love.
(Today for me the word love contains qualities of meaning, purpose, accountability, discipline, spontaneity, authenticity⌠which might at first glance qualities that might appear to contradict but they donât.)When you say you donât love yourself what would loving yourself look like?
I also noted your comment about losing your ego which was also part of the struggle.
In in the west we tend to over identify with our ego â I am my ego, I am what I do, I am the roles I play⌠While the east negation of the ego has when practice unskillfully I think leads to the loss of sense of self and lethargy. The submission to caste and fate is a natural outcome to the loss of connection to our I and me.By negation of my ego I could find peace of mind and being (is this love?) but only as long as I removed myself from interaction with life as it was. I noted even Gautama had to leave his family. As I need food and shelter I didn’t see how this was going to work.
It seems to me that what I call the ego was an import part of the whole of who I was and that my attempt to negate it was like cutting off an arm or a leg. Through mediation I understood my ‘I’, my sense of self was not my ego, I was not what I did for a living, I was not my thoughts⌠I noticed however that it was my sense of I through which I set intention and was the part of me that was conscious. What is aware? I am. Limited though the I is, it is the part of the whole that experiences..
I am not my consciousness yet it is though the I that the I become conscious.
I began to think of my ego not as a CEO or captain but a kind of librarian that filtered information and experience, a communication channel that connected the unconscious, memory, filters… to the conscious and from that intention.
Anyway maybe that doesnât make any sense or matterâŚ. It just that I know that Iâm not alone that my unskillful desire to lose my ego left me feeling listless and disconnected from my experiences (defiantly not love)
The shift from no longer trying to negate my ego but accept my sense of I as playing necessary role in my experience of becoming has help me let go of the negative thinking associated with the labels (usually based on comparison to others) I have applied to myself.
I am not my ego, however my ego is a part of the whole that is me, my authentic self, and as such has value.
The ego wasn’t something I had to lose but acknowledge… and well lovePeterParticipantThe nature of change is that it happens slowly then all at once. What I means is that we tend not to notice the string of small causes and effects until we notice the moment that of the big effect.
You say âI have zero ability to change even small mattersâ. The irony being that making that statement is one of the small causes that isnât being noticed. Will the statement push you forward or will it be one more brick in the wall of the effect that is stuckness.
Viewed in this light the statement âI have zero ability to change even small mattersâ can only be false as every breath you take every thought you have, though the impact may be small, effect change. The difference perhaps is between active and passive Do we write our stories or do our stories write us?
One of the ways we get stuck in our stuckness is to expect change to happen immediately and exactly as we imagine. Such hope for change is more likely to prevent us from seeing and so nurturing the small causes that might actually lead to the change that would get us unstuck.
I think to influence the change that we want we have to create space to notice the small causes and nurture those that point in the direction we want to travel â however at the same time always aware that the direction we think we should go might not be the best path to get there.
- âWe must be willing to get rid of the life we’ve planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for usâ â Joseph Campbell
- We shall not cease from exploration, and the end of all our exploring will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time. T. S. Eliot
When I read your post the word that came to mind was pause and then Claude Debussy quote âMusic is the space between the notesâ
When stuck in quick sand or a strong undertow the first step to getting out is to stop struggling.The first step in getting out of our stuckness is to remember to pause. The Pause is not simply an absence of content but intention that creates the content. Without the pause you would only have noise.
âIn bullfighting there is an interesting parallel to the pause as a place of refuge and renewal. It is believed that in the midst of a fight, a bull can find his own particular area of safety in the arena. There he can reclaim his strength and power. This place and inner state are called his querencia. As long as the bull remains enraged and reactive, the matador is in charge. Yet when he finds his querencia, he gathers his strength and loses his fear. From the matador’s perspective, at this point the bull is truly dangerous, for he has tapped into his power.â
â Tara Brach, Radical Acceptance: Embracing Your Life With the Heart of a BuddhaStopping: How to Be Still When You Have to Keep Going by David Kundtz
PeterParticipantI also recommend the book ‘Learning to Fall’ by Philip Simmons for those fated to having to find the way out by going down.
Came across this Post which said what I was trying to say much better
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/permissiontolive/2012/07/learning-to-fall.htmlâLearning to Fallâ. I came across this idea recently and it moved me. Itâs from Philip Simmonâs book called âLearning to Fallâ, and it is written from his perspective as a 35 year old husband, father and teacher diagnosed with a neuromuscular disease which killed him a few years later.
Itâs the first time I have ever heard of âThe Fallâ as anything but this evil horrible disobedience of humanity that has led to all things that are wrong with the world. But it also speaks to me on a very basic level.
I used to think that being a Christian gave me this magic out. If I just lived the ârightâ way, and did all the ârightâ things, then life would be peaceful and calm, perfect as god was perfect. Whenever life was hectic, stressful, confusing or imperfect, I thought it was my fault. I just wasnât being close enough to God.
As time has gone on since I took a break from my perpetual hamster wheel of trying to be close enough to God to be fixed from all my imperfection, I am slowly becoming OK with the imperfect.
I am a woman with an imperfect body, imperfect parenting abilities, imperfect housekeeping abilities, and imperfect relational knowledge. But even if I managed to make all of that perfect, it would still be impossible for me to control everything else. Like death, or illness, or loss of relationship. No matter how good I got at âstanding on the solid rockâ life was still out of balance.
And now, Iâm OK with that. Iâm learning to be OK with being unsteady, putting one foot in front of the other and stopping here and there to take a breath and catch my balance. I donât have to pretend to have it all together anymore. Sometimes I am happy, sometimes I am not. Sometimes I am confident, sometimes I am depressed. Sometimes I feel beautiful, sometimes I donât. And that doesnât make me a bad or deficient person. Life throws curve balls. Life changes. Life isnât always exactly what we planned. But, life is good, even though it isnât perfect. In fact, all kinds of things are beautiful and good without being perfect. And in learning to be OK with falling, Iâve learned to be unashamed of getting back up. Iâve learned to embrace fear.
PeterParticipantSorry youâre having such a hard time.
I know when people say thinks like âit will get betterâ they mean well but often such statements come from their own need to believe it.It is not clear in your posts is your hope/prayer is passive or active. Passive hope can be destructive when itâs the type that waits for something to change. Perhaps magically, that if we just wish hard enough, pray hard enough things will change in the instant of our wishing.
The thing with change is that it is something that happens slowly and then all at once. Meaning we donât tend to notice the little causes that have to happen before the effect is noticed. These little causes of changes could then already be taking place in your life.
Active hope is hope with eyes open, hope that seeks out those little causes and nurturing them till the day the hope is realized.
A part of the process of active hope is to refrain our experiences when we can. In your post you say everything has gotten worse and that youâre the type of person that a stranger can come to when they are in need. While you actively hope try paying more attention to this positive person who can be present to others. Itâs a place to start.
The reality is we are all falling and have been since we took our first breath. How we fall, ah there is the trick. Arms and legs frantically flailing or like a sky diver, arms and legs spread out, enjoying the ride.
I am reminded of a story of a sparrow trapped in an empty grain silo frontally seeking out each ray of light that appeared through various cracks in the wall only to find they were not big enough to get through. Defeated the sparrow lays exhausted on the floor failing to notice the dark tunnel that if traveled would take it under the wall and out of the silo
There are those that find their way out seeking the light however for many the way out is not up but down.
The Art of Falling – by Kathryn Craft
“All Penny has ever wanted to do is danceâand when that chance is taken from her, it pushes her to the brink of despair, from which she might never return. When she wakes up after a traumatic fall, bruised and battered but miraculously alive, Penny must confront the memories that have haunted her for years, using her love of movement to pick up the pieces of her shattered life.”PeterParticipantAny other ideas on how to function like a normal human through this process?
Your experience of the âsupernovaâ sounds pretty normal to me and Iâm impressed with your intention to use the experience to grow with a focus on the positive.
There is a time for all things and perhaps by allowing the âsupernovaâ experience to be normal and accepted as it is, for what it is, you will eventually have fewer of them and or that they not last as long.
Sometimes the simple act of noticing without self-judgment is enough for such moments to pass.
And sometimes⌠well finding a private corner somewhere and letting yourself feel everything, think everything, blame, cry, curse, grieve⌠all that stuff, well that that has it place. You just donât want to get stuck there.
From what I read I donât think youâre the type of person that will get stuck.
Youâre very good at expressing yourself.PeterParticipantI believe that we become the stories we tell ourselves more often then we become the stories we write.
(There is a difference)The first thing that came to my mind when I read your post was cognitive distortion
Cognitive distortions are simply ways that our mind convinces us of something that isn’t really true. These inaccurate thoughts are usually used to reinforce negative thinking or emotions â telling ourselves things that sound rational and accurate, but really only serve to keep us feeling bad about ourselves.
I also recognize that sometimes we just need to get the kinds of thoughts you posted out.
Anyway If you arenât only venting but want to work your way out of these thoughts you might want to examine what you are telling yourself for Cognitive distortion. Its a place to start.
Common distortions in the stories we tell ourselves
Filtering: We take the negative details and magnify them while filtering out all positive aspects of a situation. For instance, a person may pick out a single, unpleasant detail and dwell on it exclusively so that their vision of reality becomes darkened or distorted.Polarized Thinking: In polarized thinking, things are either âblack-or-white.â We have to be perfect or weâre a failure â there is no middle ground. You place people or situations in âeither/orâ categories, with no shades of gray or allowing for the complexity of most people and situations. If your performance falls short of perfect, you see yourself as a total failure.
Overgeneralization: In this cognitive distortion, we come to a general conclusion based on a single incident or a single piece of evidence. If something bad happens only once, we expect it to happen over and over again. A person may see a single, unpleasant event as part of a never-ending pattern of defeat.
Jumping to Conclusions: Without individuals saying so, we know what they are feeling and why they act the way they do. In particular, we are able to determine how people are feeling toward us.
For example, a person may conclude that someone is reacting negatively toward them but doesnât actually bother to find out if they are correct. Another example is a person may anticipate that things will turn out badly, and will feel convinced that their prediction is already an established fact.Catastrophizing: We expect disaster to strike, no matter what. This is also referred to as âmagnifying or minimizing.â We hear about a problem and use what if questions (e.g., âWhat if tragedy strikes?â âWhat if it happens to me?â).
Personalization: Personalization is a distortion where a person believes that everything others do or say is some kind of direct, personal reaction to the person. We also compare ourselves to others trying to determine who is smarter, better looking, etc.
Control Fallacies: If we feel externally controlled, we see ourselves as helpless a victim of fate. For example, âI canât help it if the quality of the work is poor, my boss demanded I work overtime on it.â The fallacy of internal control has us assuming responsibility for the pain and happiness of everyone around us. For example, âWhy arenât you happy? Is it because of something I did?â
Fallacy of Fairness: We feel resentful because we think we know what is fair, but other people wonât agree with us. As our parents tell us when weâre growing up and something doesnât go our way, âLife isnât always fair.â People who go through life applying a measuring ruler against every situation judging its âfairnessâ will often feel badly and negative because of it. Because life isnât âfairâ â things will not always work out in your favor, even when you think they should.
Blaming: We hold other people responsible for our pain, or take the other track and blame ourselves for every problem. For example, âStop making me feel bad about myself!â Nobody can âmakeâ us feel any particular way â only we have control over our own emotions and emotional reactions.
Shoulds: We have a list of ironclad rules about how others and we should behave. People who break the rules make us angry, and we feel guilty when we violate these rules. A person may often believe they are trying to motivate themselves with shoulds and shouldnâts, as if they have to be punished before they can do anything.
Emotional Reasoning: We believe that what we feel must be true automatically. If we feel stupid and boring, then we must be stupid and boring. You assume that your unhealthy emotions reflect he way things really are â âI feel it, therefore it must be true.â
Fallacy of Change: We expect that other people will change to suit us if we just pressure or cajole them enough. We need to change people because our hopes for happiness seem to depend entirely on them.
Global Labeling: We generalize one or two qualities into a negative global judgment. These are extreme forms of generalizing, and are also referred to as âlabelingâ and âmislabeling.â Instead of describing an error in context of a specific situation, a person will attach an unhealthy label to themselves.
For example, they may say, âIâm a loserâ in a situation where they failed at a specific task.Always Being Right: We are continually on trial to prove that our opinions and actions are correct. Being wrong is unthinkable and we will go to any length to demonstrate our rightness. For example, âI donât care how badly arguing with me makes you feel, Iâm going to win this argument no matter what because Iâm right.â Being right often is more important than the feelings of others around a person who engages in this cognitive distortion, even loved ones.
Heavenâs Reward Fallacy: We expect our sacrifice and self-denial to pay off, as if someone is keeping score. We feel bitter when the reward doesnât come.
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