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Peter
ParticipantI can relate to your story
In dream analyses and symbolic language; the people, animals and objects we meet in our dreams represent attributes, feelings, thinking, dreams⊠of the dreamer. The dreams a likely not about reconnecting to you X but to yourself in some way.
It seems the unconscious preferred way to communicate to the conscious is through the symbolic language of images.
In your dream your X would likely represent qualities that you might have associated with him as having as well as the hopes and dreams you may have had about yourself when you were together but that now you may be disconnected from.
When we are with someone we care about and who cares about us we feel empowered, we are empowered. Â We tend to imagine that we can become the best version of ourselves.
After a breakup we often lose that imagined future or ourselves or become disconnected from it. At the same time our understanding of Love and relationship is challenged. Â Your dreams could be an indication of unfinished work in dealing with that loss.
In dream interpretation asking the right questions can help.
What qualities would you associate with you X?
Which qualities do you also have and which ones do you think you donât have?
Of the qualities that you donât think you have which ones would you like to develop?
Do the same type of questioning with your thinking and feelings with regards to the idea of Love and Relationship that you may have had during your relationship with your X.
How did you see your future self while in that relationship?
Has an attribute, dream, hope that you may have had been lost? Were you too innocent? Did you become disillusion in anyway? Did you lose a creative spark?
In such an interpretation the dream would not be about reconnecting to your X, or be about your X at all.
Instead it is likely that its about reconnecting or making conscious something you have forgotten about your self, perhaps a better way to love yourself, forgive yourselfâŠ.
My hunch is that once you do the dream work, the dreams will stop and you will have learned something about yourself that will make your current relationships even stronger.
July 27, 2017 at 2:26 pm in reply to: Life of meaning and purpose after 20 years of searching #160564Peter
ParticipantYou reminded me of something I read recently about Synchronicity
âSynchronicity, a spiritual tool of the psyche  – Just the right persons come along and just the right impact is made so that wholeness can happen. As we saw earlier, something, we know not what, call it psyche or grace, is always at work, we know not how – call it synchronicity or grace â so that the wholeness always and already is in us can come out. Synchronicity is honored when chance meets choice and we act in accord with what has begun from beyond our ego.” – âShadow Dance: Liberating the Power & Creativity of Your Dark Sideâ By David Richo
Synchronicity when chance meets choice⊠when Fate meets Free will… Destiny and Choice dancing together on the same path⊠working together in our becoming.
July 27, 2017 at 10:39 am in reply to: Life of meaning and purpose after 20 years of searching #160528Peter
ParticipantMy favorite quotes on Meaning
âLife has no meaning. Each of us has meaning and we bring it to life. It is a waste to be asking the question when you are the answer.â â Joseph Campbell
Great to read a post of someone bring meaning to Life!
âIf you follow your bliss you put yourself on a kind of track that has been there all the while, waiting for you, and the life that you ought to be living is the one you are living. Follow your bliss and don’t be afraid, and doors will open where you didn’t know they were going to be.â â Joseph Campbell
Peter
ParticipantMarriage/Relationship can be the container in which we are pushed to grow however it can also be the container in which be become stuck and forget who we are. In such a case LOVE may require the end of that relationship where the pain of such a break might push the individuals back onto the path of becoming.
The following is just my ramblings of how I came to such a conclusion
In the book The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy “The answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything is 42. 42 was arrived at by the question what do you get if you multiple six by nine. The joke being that because 6 X 9 = 54 not 42 that âsomething was fundamentally wrong with the universeâ But what if thatâs not the punch line after all? What if the better punch line was the something was fundamentally wrong with our ability to do math. That there is nothing wrong with the universe just our math skills.
What if our understanding and experience of this thing we call Love is wrong or to limited. What if LOVE is greater then our limited expectations of Love, What if our math is wrong.
We hear statements about Love all time, like, nothing is greater then Love, Love will triumph, all you need is Love⊠but we donât really believe it, the numbers donât add up.  But what if it true and were all just really bad at math?
Relationships fail for what it seems many reasons. Relationships fail even when two people authentically love each other⊠When you experience such things one canât help but wonder âWhatâs Love got to do with itâ. If Love is all there is, all you need, whatâs Love got to do with it?
Though my experiences and observations, it seemed to me that Love had everything and nothing to do with a marriage relationship lasting. Without love it would most certainly die⊠but not necessary end. With Love it might thrive⊠but not necessary remain together.
Why after a break up does it often happen that emerging from the pain of a break up those evolved emerged stronger, more mature, conscious⊠more there authentic self
As I looked deeper into my experiences, observations and study Love appeared to be experienced/exist/vibrate on different levels. And at its highest form all things were LOVE. All things even pain and suffering.
That at LOVE’s highest form there is a push toward individual awaking consciousness. Â Some have called this push Grace. God/Love/Life wants (may need us) us to grow and become conscious.
Peter
ParticipantYes a break up not only can change you, it should!
Fearing or not liking change is going to cause problems in future relationships
One of the purposes of relationship, especially with regards marriage is to act as the container/crucible to which we change so that we might become.
One of the attributes of Love (at the higher plane) is a push or even demand that we grow and become. Consciously or unconsciously we will be pushed. In this light, sometimes Love may require that a relationship end. That the pain of loss pushes a person into consciousness and becoming.
Within the crucible of marriage one can expect to confront and hopefully reconcile and work through the mother father complexes (learn to nurture and protect oneself from with in), Ones shadow and shadow projections, and the problem of opposites.
By confronting these challenges, we become conscious and conscious become our authentic selves. This is the hero journey
If within the container/crucible we do not do this work. Love will break the container so that the pain of the breaking might push us back onto the path (different or new crucible)
Peter
ParticipantPeter
ParticipantHappy Birthday
“The only reason for time is so that everything doesn’t happen at once.” – Albert Einstein
In measuring a point in time its so difficult not to want everything to happen/change all at once… but that would defeat reason for time.
We artificially create meaningful points of time in which to measure ourselves against. Are we where we wanted to be? Do I have, will I have, what I dreamed of having, that I dreamed of becoming? Can I envision a future that is different from the memories of how I see myself now? âŠ
In general, when it comes to measuring our experience most people suck, making these moments of time and space in which we feel called to reflect to become depressive instead of constructive.
Reflection during these transitional points in our life journey are very important, but only if done skillfully. Only if we are asking helpful questions and not measuring/comparing our answers and experiences against how we think others are doing.
Self Reflection is a time to be honest without judgment.
Found the following after a quick google which might help you stay connected to your authentic self and grow through your reflections.
1. We need emotional space to process transitions. Give yourself time and space to process transitions. It may not seem âproductiveâ so youâll need to remind yourself that you truly need space, and that this will promote growth in the long run. If youâre leading a team in transition, give the team space to process. Create some space for dialogue and interaction about the transition. Look at the long term outcomes; not just the short term. The goal is not to get rid of pesky emotions and maximize productivity today
2.Itâs normal and good to grieve the loss of what was. Let yourself grieve. Jesus said, âblessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.â There is a deep psychological truth here; mourning brings about healing and comfort, even though itâs painful at the time.
3. Most transitions have a mix of positive and negative aspects. Itâs normal to feel a mix of such emotions. Give yourself space for the full range of emotions and the inevitable ups and downs that come with the territory.
4. People process transitions differently depending on their personality and life history. Donât expect yourself to process things the same way others do.
5. Vulnerability is strength. It doesnât feel like it when we experience vulnerability, but it truly is strength. Vulnerability comes from a measure of security to be where you are, rather than to deny the emotional reality of what things mean to you
6. Remember the promise of something new. If you deny the reality of the pain of transition, the new will not have meaning, or youâll never arrive at the new. You must process the meaning of what was, and come to imbue it with a new sense of meaning. As you do this, take a step back occasionally and focus on what is emerging that is new, healthy and fresh.
Peter
ParticipantI very much relate to that inner sense of…  empty… missing… something… that leaves one feeling blue and off ballance.
Finding someone to talk, a third party that can listen to you objectively could be helpful. Â Sometimes we need to hear out loud what were thinking and to have those thoughts reflected back to us by another. Â Sometime friends and family are to close to us, or tied up in how they need us to be, to be helpful in this manner. Â Follow you intuition.
You might find the following book helpful:Â The Untethered Soul – the journey beyound yourself by Michel A. singer
Peter
ParticipantWhats love got to do with it? Everything yet love does not mean a relationship is meant to last.
Have you seen the movie La La Land? sometimes relationships are not meant for that ending we might have imagined. Fate Destiny…  and or does Life  demand that we grow of which relationships are a tool, and that sometimes the lessons we need to learn will only be looked for through the pain of a relationship ending.  I do not understand why this is so, why we can’t learn our lessons when life is as we imagined, but for most people we are like a young bird that needs to be pushed out of the nest.
I found the following book helpful when I asked similar questions to those you are asking yourself.
‘How to Be an Adult in Relationships: The Five Keys to Mindful Loving’Â by David Richo
Peter
ParticipantâThe most painful state of being is remembering the future, particularly the one you’ll never have.â â SĂžren Kierkegaard
I wish I had words that might save you from having to go through this painful experience… You must trust your intuition.
I had a similar experience, only I was the one who had the problem with committing and my girlfriend new that for her own growth she had to let go and move forward. She was right. It was the right thing to do. And it Hurt like nothing I experienced before. We knew… she knew that the breakup had to be a full break, no contact. Again she was right. You must trust your intuition.
Peter
ParticipantâReal love sometimes means saying goodbye.â Bryant McGill,
Love doesnât require you to continue a relationship.
You may love someone very much, but you may not be compatible with them. Or they may drive you crazy with their continued disregard for your feelings. You can still love them, but that doesnât mean you have to be with them. Love doesnât mean that you have to stay, and stay and stay. You can leave the relationship and love them anyway.Relationships are the crucible in which we discover ourselves. As such we create and play out scenarios that need healing with in relationships especially those in which we feel safe in. When we stop feeling safe within a relationship yet continue to seek out healing the relationship could become one of codependency. In codependency instead of healing and growing we become stuck in our pain, a kind of ground hog day but one we never find our way out of.
It is a perplexing paradox, however it is often the painful end of a painful relationship the pushes those involve to heal and grow.
We long for the La la Land happy ever after ending. Yet the movie of the same title showed that sometimes a relationship is only fated for a moment in time and not ever after.
Peter
ParticipantI should have this all figured out by now but I donât. How do I accept happiness and feel worthy of it?
I have yet to meet anyone who has âall this figured outâ
How do I accept happiness and feel worthy of it?
We must work for that which no work is requiredThat might sound like a contradiction but it isnât. In order to get to a place in which you feel worthy of love will require work, for example work on self acceptance and loving yourself. The irony being that once the work is completed you will realize that you were/are worthy all along, love and happiness was their all along. In the mean time you might as well enjoy that happiness that is present to you in the moment.
Iâm currently reading a book Called the untethered soul the journey beyond yourself. By Michael a. Singer.
Can you imagine what your life might look like untethered? Untethered by the negative inner voice, that evil “step mother”, freeing you to live the life already waiting for you?Peter
ParticipantI also thought the movie had a lot to say about the reality of relationship and the role that love plays.
I found that as an observer to what on the surface was an old-time Hollywood musical, that I wanted the Hollywood la la land ending. I wanted Mia and Sebastian to have it all. I wanted their experience of love not only to inspire and push them in their becoming but to also mean they could be happy ever after, together. But that was not to be. And as you mentioned would have been a mistake for Mia and Sebastian. Timing as the movie so cleverly revealed is everything.
Love it seems, on its highest plane, seems to demand that we become and that relationships are often the crucible in which this is realized. (Even at time the cost of the relationship we might have imagined and hoped/worked for)
After a breakup, I found myself asking the Question âwhatâs Love got to do with itâ? (It being a committed life long relationship). My answer surprised me. Everything and Nothing. Without love relationship is not possible yet even where there is love (even when soul mates) it does not mean that a objective relationship is possible. There are times that we come into each other lives to push each other forward and sometimes fatefully it is the pain of the breakup that is required to wake us up and put us back on our path.
It was recently suggested to me that we are our own soul mates. That in the finding and becoming our authentic self we discover our soul. On the surface as we watch Mia and Sebastian we might have said they were soul mates and in a way they were, but not perhaps as we imagine. Together in that time and space, call it fate, destiny, or perhaps a window of opportunity that was noticed, through the eyes of the other they saw their own souls and became.
I saw the movies La La Land and Collateral Beauty in the same week and to my way of thinking they tell the same story of Love â Love bitter sweet.
Peter
ParticipantI liked your post as its something I think we need to be reminded us.
Anita is right there are unhealthy “dreams’ or hopes/fantasy that should not be held onto however I don’t think that is what you meant.When I think of the inner child I think of eyes made for wonder… eyes still open to wonder.
You reminded me of something I read a few years ago and I think was in need of remembering.
“If you have a place in your life where your eyes can still gape, your knees quiver, and your mind boggle, you are open for wonder. and, open to wonder, you are ready for life’s surprises, even the greatest of all; that it can be all right when everything is wrong.
Keep the door open to wonder and even the ordinary people around you will take on and odd dimension of mystery. Every person you know will be a potential eye-opener. You may meet people you do not like, but you will never again meet a person you can take for granted.
Wonder kills stereotypes. All the people clustered around you – people bound to you by routine loyalty, others floating at the fringes of your inner circle – they are all awesome folk, each one hiding a mystery far to deep for the likes of us to have all figured out.If we could get tuned to see the wonder in other people, we may also be ready for the mystery of our own selves. there is more to us then meets the eye. Do not let the wonder-killers of the world destroy your sense of wonder at the mystery and marvel of your very soul.
With wonder you may be able , when the dark sky falls upon you, when life is skewed, your situation off center, you may just be able to see what others cannot see, at a level below any they guess existed. in spite of everything, you may be able to know that your are all right.
Blessed are the wonder-full, for they shell see G_d, and they alone shall know themselves. LB Smedes
Thanks
Peter
ParticipantThank you for posting. I relate to your story
Something I noted when reading your post
Iâve been seeing a therapist but donât feel like she or anyone gets the depth of the abuse Iâve endured and what itâs doing to me.
I had the same experience. In hindsight for some reason I wanted my therapist to acknowledge my hurt, which he did in a way, just not in a way I subconsciously wanted. I think I wanted an excuse and justification for feeling the way I did, I wanted to blame and be righteous in my anger. His concern was not about what my X did or taking about her but on me and how I might move forward and perhaps in time use the experience to grow. And He was right. Focusing on my X and trying to understand her was not going to help me.
I know itâs just my ego⊠And when fear and anger and shame and hate overwhelm me I just swallow it back down because I donât know what else to do.
I feel that the statement âjust my egoâ can become misunderstood and even get in the way of dealing with our experiences.
It takes a strong sense of ego to be able to let go of the ego. That might sound like a contradiction but I donât think it is.For me itâs a difference of identifying ones identity with the ego (which is what we want to let go of) and viewing the ego as the observer and part of the self through which we experience being conscious.
I am not my ego, my ego is a part of me. I am not my ego but in relationship with my I
I am not my fear, my sense of self is experiencing fear in this moment, I am not my joy, my sense of self is experiencing joy in the moment and grateful. I am not my failures, my sense of self is experiencing disappointment at not succeeding in the way I imaginedâŠWhen fear, anger, shame and hate overwhelm you the ego observer notices without identification judgments.
You might swallow the experience but instead of feeling helpless notice that as well, you might yell and notice that. Your ego not the cause and so effect of the issue in the moment but as conscious observer.The experiences you had were real and your responses valid in the movement. They may not always have been helpful but still valid. The act of allowing the ego â your sense of I â to observe (without labeling the self) I believe opens the door to learning better ways in dealing with the memories and learning from the experience.
There is a time for all things and it may not be time to hear the following so forgive me if it upsets you (I know I didnât want to hear it at the time, I was in a time of hurt and didn’t want to think about growth) – in a few years when you look back on the experience you will discover that the experience pushed you into a greater awareness of your relationship with your authentic self, others, and even things like your concept of love and relationship.
Though time does not heal, time can transform and âsoftenâ our memories and yes time can also harden memories and doing so embed the past in the present. Reading between the lines of your post I suspect the former will be the case.
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