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I do relate to your suffering and disappointment with “spiritual” teachings. Still I re-challenge you to re-imagine your definition as to what spirituality means if only to let go of your anger.
I no longer equate spirituality with a ‘supernatural being out there’. If such beings exist there is little I can do about such matters and could not spiritually relate to them.
I agree that once one starts down the path of seeking god will lead to frustration and isolation. I to imagine a path where I might have been happier avoiding such a quest. This I now know. There is no going back. The questions will continue to haunt one until they push past them. You may not want to hear this but there is a lot of evidence that the disillusionment and frustration is part of the path of the seeker. It is during this time that the seeker confronts what they have been taught and their experiences. At this point some will reject it all while others learn to move past the words. Seeing past the words often means leaving the community which is painful but necessarily.
The problem with being a seeker is that we to often fail to notice when we found what we were looking for
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PeterParticipantWe are nothing and being nothing, all-things. Such is the paradox that is life
You are not your memories, feelings, thoughts or experiences. You are the observer of your memories, your feelings, your thoughts, your experiences.
When you learn to create space between observer and experience the illusion of the experience dissolves and change is possible. Â âYouâ are the still point that directs consciousness.
âAt the still point of the turning world. Neither flesh nor fleshless; Neither from nor towards; at the still point, there the dance is, But neither arrest nor movement. And do not call it fixity, Where past and future are gathered. Neither movement from nor towards, Neither ascent nor decline. Except for the point, the still point, There would be no dance, and there is only the dance.â TS Eliot
PeterParticipantThe thing about being at a dead end in life is that when you realize that this means you donât want to repeat the steps that lead you there you discover the way open and that the dead end is actually a gateway.
I think you are on the right track beginning working on forgiveness as the story your telling yourself and creating needs redemption. I found LB Smedes book Art of forgiveness helpful as well as David Richo work. Perhaps âThe Five Things We Cannot Change: And the Happiness We Find by Embracing Themâ
I believe we are and or become the story we tell. If such is the case the first place to start is to stop telling yourselves the story that is no longer helpful.
When you find yourself repeating the stories like the ones in this post try to take a step back and really notice what your saying. Try to do so without judgment of good and bad. Seek out any cognitive distortions and notice where you are playing the role of victim or villain. Separate yourself from any victim and villain narrative and identify what is left and you will begin to see what you can do to become the change you wish to see.
Here is a riddle for you: You are not your past, you are not your thoughts, you are not your experiences or memories⌠Who then are you?
PeterParticipantThe idea of karma has been greatly misunderstood.
My understanding after reading the Tibetan book of the dead was that karma wasnât about reward, justice or punishment but a quality that keeps a person from âseeingâ / experiencing and so stuck.  To a large extent we see what we expect to see/experience.  Forgive us our failings as we forgive those who fail us is not a suggestion but a truth.  In the book of the dead karma keeps a person stuck in the cycle of death and rebirth. A person capable of âseeingâ beyond suffering and painâŚ. can end the cycle.
You might apply such concepts to the afterlife however symbolic language suggest that we experience the cycle of death and rebirth in every breath we take. Such teaching is common in all wisdom traditions if one has the eyes to see and earâs to hear.
Sorry have to run
November 7, 2017 at 1:53 pm in reply to: I want to achieve nirvana, but there is one thing I want to know. #176909PeterParticipantNirvana is not a place but a state of existence/being. I suspect itâs a state of being where one is conscious of the unconscious and thus awakened to the All. Being awakened/conscious to what you are unconscious off is of course a paradox but as the Buddha taught anything we might say or imagine about nirvana will be wrong. âNirvana is beyond space, time, and definition, and so language is by definition inadequate to discuss it. It can only be experienced.â
I suspect that such an experience liberates a person from the suffering of the problem of opposites and cycle of birth, death and rebirth of karmic tendencies. In the present that would be freedom from repeating patterns that keep us stuck and stuck dissatisfied with life.
We work for that which no work is required â we get in our own way. I suspect that the experience expands perspective of not just a knowing but living life as it is and discovering we can say Yes to it as it is. Yes to all of life as it is and know that it is LOVE! All of it, the good the bad and the ugly (there is no good, bad or ugly). Wrap you being around that possibility of Yes and know it as Love and you start to sense everything how everything is connected. In such a state, there is no place for stress or dissatisfaction.
PeterParticipantA definition of the term âSpiritualtyâ: noun – the quality of being concerned with the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things. the shift in priorities allows us to embrace our spirituality in a more profound way”
Belief in or not believing in a deity is not necessary connected to oneâs spirituality.
I think its important to remember that there are stages to faith and faith is not the something as belief. The examination of Deity and the concept of âThe Goodâ is one such stage
Reading through your post You seem to have equated your expectation of âthe goodâ and projected it onto a deity that is out there⌠somewhere in space and outside yourself. When you describe the deity he/she/it sounds like an alien being of some sort. If such an alien being existed we would in deed be screwed as we could be nothing by playthings to such a being and it would be highly unlikely that we would worship he/she/it showed up on earth one day.
I would challenge you to remove all associations you might have with words like God, Deity, Faith, Love, the Good⌠doing so you may discover the map, what you learned to think about such matters, is not the territory and that the journey will lead you in unexpected ways
November 6, 2017 at 2:57 pm in reply to: Can't remember the last time I felt this overwhelmed… #176765PeterParticipantâEverything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.â John Lennon – I donât intend to come off as trite however there is a great deal of truth to that.
It is understandable that you are feeling as you do as your taking on a lot in this moment and stage of life.
If possible when you start feeling this way take a breath and notice how your awareness has become fixated on fear. Try not to judge this fixation just notice. Imagine pulling back your awareness to outer perspective and from this space observe the fear. Notice that itâs the fixation and not the fear that has causing you the stress. In the past you have always dealt with the challenges that have come your way so there is no reason to believe that you wonât continue to do so. Â Notice that the fears you are imagining are just that imagined. With hindsight notice how most of your fears have been False Evidence Appearing Real (F.E.A.R). Take another breath, notice that life continues and flows despite our worries. Let these moments of stress flow and doing so choosing what your awareness is directed towards.
PeterParticipantThat old black magic got me in a spell… I relate to that empty feeling of feeling empty. In my case I think coming from the sense of not living my potential. Never putting that potential to the test.
Anyway, my opinion on change is that the only way to âchangeâ the way we feel is to accept the way we feel when we feel it. (Not an acceptance as in a giving up or resignation kind of way but away of experiencing and letting the moment flow to the next.
Most of what you posted centered on fear. F.E.A.R. is almost always False Evidence Appearing Real and you will find that if you honestly evaluate your fears that they are things that never happen. Products of a fixated consciousness that doesnât takes is eyes off the âevidenceâ. A step in overcome our fears and fixations it is learning how to direct our consciousness and choose what we pay attention to.
You may also find learning about the role cognitive dissonance/distortions plays in the stories you are living out. It is my opinion that we become the stories we tell ourselves. Or at least they play a very important part in our sense of self. I think if you look at the stories you are telling yourself that you will find allot of cognitive dissonance. Learning to identify the distortions is a required step to moving forward. Feel the Fear and Do it Anyway
PeterParticipantI do know the as above so below thing and so far it hasn’t helped me in this situation. Yes you can turn around give someone you hate a hug but if the person is not worthy of it and they’re just going to use that to their advantage I say screw hugging your enemy as I’ve suffered enough.
You misunderstand the perspective of Love Iâve challenged you with as well as the riddle. Love does not require you to hug a person or blindly accept anything that they do. Far from it. Love requires that you do not pretend and hug a person you feel is unworthy. Love requires that we hold people accountable. If we do not, nothing we or they do can have meaning or purpose. Sometimes Love may even require that a personal relationship end.
You can end a relationship out of anger, fear, hate or from a place of love. The difference is where the action of ending a relationship comes from and its my opinion that the difference is very important as either choice will change who you are.
If you end a relationship out of hate you will remain tense, angry, always looking for justifications to re-fire and justify the hatred and ending. Â Ending a relationship from a perspective of love there is no need for justifications, there is no need for continued engagement, no need for revenge. Its not about your sister its about who you are and hope to be.
You have a lot of hurdles to overcome in your journey of becoming your best self. Such is the heroâs Journey. You can remain fixated on the things you canât change, envious of everyoneâs else imagined good fortune, the unfairness of it all, and doing so allow outer influences to determine who you become. Or you can say enough. These are the challenges I face and I will face them, these challenges are just that challenges nothing more⌠I will not allow them to change me in ways I donât wish to be changed.
PeterParticipantYou canât change your sister however you can continue to work on yourself
You indicated that you must fight to get some peace which suggests to me that youâre aggressively engaging in the issues with your sister.
It is of course an irony that one fights for peace. You can fight as in go to war for peace but wars come at a huge cost to oneself and the lives of others. Or you can fight to find inner peace.
There is a hermetic riddle: As above so below, as below so above. As above so below – we allow ourselves to be influenced by outward factors. As below so above – we influence our outer experience by becoming the change we hope to see. Both truths are at play in every moment. The person at peace is awake to how they are influencing and being influenced. It is possible though not the goal (you canât change others) that by finding inner peace that you influence your sister to become more conscious of how her actions affect those that love her. I know probably not what you wanted to hear
You also said that âThings always seem easy for everyone elseâ. I can guarantee you that you are correct in using the word âseemsâ. We can never know anotherâs thoughts, experiences, or troubles. The path to peace means letting such judgments go and stopping the comparison we make based on what we imagine other experiences are. Peace exists in the moment that you allow it to exist.
Lastly Hate is a strong word and words hove power so I might challenge you with the idea that you can love a person and still not like what they do. You can love and still hold them accountable for there actions. (it would not be love if you didnât). This change of perspective may sound as if is semantics but I think its more then that. Only in Love will lead to the experience peace that you hope for.
PeterParticipantWhat if choosing to live inauthenticity is being authentic to one self?
Maybe it comes down to perspective and where you measure such things. If you authentically accept yourself does it matter how others know or donât know you. Sure, it may be nice to have the acceptance of those you are closest to but is it needed to be authentic?
Does choosing to come out or not to due to fear or society response make you anymore or less authentically you? Maybe its just too many labels or not the right question that has got you down
PeterParticipantEvery time I have a day where I feel Iâm rebounding to my old self something happens to break me.
You are at an age of transition. Moving from one stage of life into another. Life/Love asks of us, sometimes demands of us, that we grow and if we resist we might experience a lack of energy and emotional fortitude. What your experiencing may be related to wanting things to remain the same but different. (Your family unconsciously may want you to stay the same)
You want to rebound to your old self while at the same time wanting a new self and new experiences so not surprisingly easy to break.
In this stage of life its ok for you to rediscover yourself with the understanding that the validation you seek may not come from your family. It would be nice and in time they might understand however you donât have to wait for that. Its time to create new boundaries. No need to rebound to your old self when a new self is waiting for you.  âYou canât step in the same river twiceâ anyway
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PeterParticipantThe thought of wanting to stop the world and get off is normal at times, as is wanting to die when we are stuck. Such thoughts become dangerous when we stop seeing them as our desire to change and grow and instead act on them as an end in them selves.
You appear to know your in trouble so need to talk to someone. Preferably a professional.
Friends and Family mean well however they tend are connected to how they need us to be so talk of wanting to die may/will scare them. It is so difficult to know what to say when someone we care about tells us they want to die. What if we say the wrong thing⌠are we responsible⌠maybe we might even feel angry at being put into the situation and react to thatâŚ. Best to seek professional help
PeterParticipantI think your right. The place to start to move forwarded may be with forgiveness and doing so perhaps refrain your story
Forgiveness is an Art â especially when it comes to forgiving ourselves, which is always entangled with our ability to forgive others. Â We forgive others as we forgive ourselves.
Very much recommend the book âThe Art of Forgivingâ by Lewis B. Smedes
Also Clarissa Pinkola Estes tells a story âthe Crescent Moon Bearâ which is about forgiveness and can be found in her book, âWomen Who Run with the Wolvesâ Or in audio CD “Theater of the Imagination”. Â (Yes, the book intended target is women but men can learn a great deal from it as well. Especially when one embraces symbolic language and doing so realize that the symbolic words masculine and feminine are not about gender. The symbols are informed by gender but do not represent a gender)
According to Clarissa there are Four Stages to Forgiveness:
to forgo â move forward, donât let what happened stop you from living your truth
to forbear â to abstain from punishing â holding yourself and others accountable but as punishment.
to forget â Â and in do not dwell – We donât forget what happened to us instead we do not dwell
to forgive â finding a place of being able to say yes to the experience As It Was without attachment.
PeterParticipantMy own experience on dealing with loss and how to âgain back happinessâ was to understand that happiness wasnât a something that we gained or lost but âa somethingâ that is experienced in the moment when we notice. We are surprised by joy, surprised by happiness. The key to be surprised is to remain open to possibility. Â I think that is how we move forward and live life in the present moment as it is, life as it is, and find that we can say Yes to our experiences.
The following link connects to many good talks on dealing with loss http://www.crazygoodgrief.com/the-best-ted-talks-on-grief-growth/
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