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May 14, 2018 at 11:48 am in reply to: Egodeath in pre-adult mental illness sufferer or just the mind tricking itself a #207347
Peter
ParticipantYou might Josephs Campbell work helpful –Â Pathways to Bliss.
The longing to die is often a longing to change, mistaken as wanting to die because change requires “dying”
It is also important to remember that it takes a strong and healthy ego to let the ego go. The ego plays a necessarily role in our interactions. Thus you don’t want to kill off the ego but your attachment of your sense of self with the ego. – You are not your ego, its simply a tool that allows one to make conscious and express experiences.
Peter
ParticipantâIâm not in this world to live up to your expectations and youâre not in this world to live up to mine.â ~Bruce Lee
https://tinybuddha.com/blog/breaking-free-from-your-familys-expectations/
When Family Members Push Our Buttons: How This Helps Us Grow
Peter
ParticipantNo theology, apologetic, dogmaâŚ. MUST be adopted to develop oneâs self/spirit. In fact, Buddha often admonished his disciples not to blindly follow his teachings but test them and verify them through their own experience like a goldsmith tests the purity of gold. I would go so far in saying that part of the journey will require one to move past and even reject all the dogmas and such. one must leave god to find G_d
The question you ask – do you have to fully accept this theory to develop myself â suggests that you may be miss-understanding the words âspiritual developmentâ so it might help if you state what you mean by those words.
As for the Law of Vibration â I suspect there is something to it â based on my own experience
I always liked the idea of string theory, where it is the vibration of the âstringâ determines how they interact and create matter.  Iâm not sure if that applies to the Law of Vibration or not however I like the picture it createsâŚ. Have you even done the experiment with a magnet and metal filings – how the magnetic field of energy a-lines the filings into the pattern of the field â all the filings vibrating in the same direction, each filing influencing the other to create the pattern… Or have you been at a concert were the music a-lines everyone and you have the experience of being connected to everyone, everyone âvibratingâ in the same direction, experiencing the same âenergyâ, emotionsâŚ.
âEvery thought, emotion or mental state has its corresponding rate and mode of vibration. And by an effort of the will of the person, or of other persons, these mental states may be reproduced, just as a musical tone may be reproduced by causing an instrument to vibrate at a certain rate â just as color may be reproduced in the same may.â – Kybalion
You may be interested to read hermetic book Kybalion â you can download a copy for free, just google it.
Peter
ParticipantI assume by drugs you mean recreational as well as the other types people use to escape
Like you I have no experience with taking such drugs
I have read that in some practices like shamanism hallucinogens are sometimes used to amplify âspiritual/dreamâ experience however always under guidance. I suspect such experiences are not that helpful to those without training or guidance.
For example, I have a friend who had experiences of remembering a past life. She was very excited about it however she didnât use the experience to help her in the present⌠actually, the experience lead to an inflation of the ego as well as the temptation to escape into it.
My own view is that a good understanding of symbolic language/images, the problem of opposites/dualism, and the shadow are required to unpack such experiences if your going to learn something from them.
Actually, I found that opening myself up to symbolic language has allowed me to experience the âonenessâ and âLoveâ that many who used drugs have said they experienced. No drugs required
Peter
ParticipantComing up with a list of character traits and life choices/realities of a potential partner that would place them on a deal breaker list takes a great deal of self knowledge as well as a mature expectation of Love.
My experience lead to a realization that relationships tend to be experienced on two levels. The level of the stuff of life, jobs, family, hygiene, taking out the garbage⌠and how such stuff is negotiated, shared, compromise, boundaries, what is acceptable and what is not…
The other level is spiritual (might not be the right word) a sense of being that comes from being seen and known. The sense of self that by being with the other is inspired to do and be more, to expand, to support, encourage, to be present, to be seen as we are the good the bad and the ugly and loved, to be witnessed and to witness. This level is not intended to be lived in 24/7 but touched on and available especially when the stuff of life becomes troubling.
You might think that if you have the second Level everything in the first level would work it self out however the stuff of life will get entangled and confused getting in the way of the ability to connect with the second level. As Well Life demands growth, and if life requires that one person becoming requires taking a job in Canada and the other take a Job in France LOVE may require the relationship to end regardless of, and because of, Level Two.
Having a good understanding of what one expects and needs from the stuff of Life to Grow, to experience meaning and purpose (even though meaning and purpose are subjective, such attributes our attributes of the experiencing love â not a paradox) should be part of go or no go⌠but not held to rigidly. The stuff of life is always in flux and as you grow older growth tends to move inward … eventually a mature sense of self is not all that impacted by the stuff of life and relationship given greater space
Peter
ParticipantThe messaging from society is that everyone should be striving for âsomethingâ, however if your good with your sense of self and donât really want to change thatâs a valid choice. If such is the case then the accepting that truth about yourself will end the suffering your feeling about making change happen.
If there are areas in your life you would like to work on the first step is accepting where you are with compassion and without judgments or labels. Â I know easier said then done.
One of the reasons we donât make the changes we think we should make is that they are ‘shoulds’ and the imagined pain and bother of making the change is not (as yet) greater then the pain of staying as we are. (Warning Life demands growth so will create pain to force growth)
The second step to change is letting go of the âshouldsâ and identifying the areas in your life that you authentically want and need to work on. Pick something small and do able then move forward from their
I recommend the following book: âChange Anything: The New Science of Personal Successâ by Kerry Patterson
Peter
ParticipantHi Patrick
Your statement âand now I’m where I am at because of itâ was interesting.  Reminds me of the saying âIt takes 1,000 ‘atta boys’ to erase one ‘you’re an idiotâ and I wonder why we fixate on the negative?  It also reminded me of the saying that âYou can’t change others. You Can Only Change Yourselfâ, which if true, suggests we hold the power to who we are⌠unless we give it away.
Have you seen the movie âInside outâ? In the movie a part of the psyche refused to accept âsadnessâ which created the suffering. After watching the move the question I asked myself was how often did I have to learn the lesson that trying to avoid âbadâ feelings only creates trouble. I actually cried
Peter
Participantit is almost always the case that whatever has wounded you will also be instrumental in your healing.â â Robert A. Johnson
It is not possible to communicate our experiences to others or think about our experiences, feelings, thoughts without using the word âIâ. The word âIâ is a construct of language which we tend to mistake the Self for.  We mistake the word for the object, the map for the territory.  You may have at times acted selfishly, felt selfish, judge yourself selfish however the Self is not memory, experience, emotionâŚ
A step forward then is to let go of the attachments you have to your self judgments, labels and fear of âIâ. In that regards I recommend Shadow work. The following books might be a good guide.
Shadow Dance: Liberating the Power & Creativity of Your Dark Side â Â David Richo
Owning Your Own Shadow: Understanding the Dark Side of the Psyche – Robert A. Johnson
Our “shadow” is the collection of negative or undesirable traits we keep hiddenâthe things we don’t like about ourselves or are afraid to admit: egotist, non-“PC” proclivities, forbidden sexual desires. But it also includes our positive, untapped potentialâqualities we may admire in others but disavow in ourselves. Befriending the shadow makes fear an ally and enables us to live more authentically.
âWhen we find ourselves in a depression, suddenly hate our spouse, our jobs, our lives â we can be sure that the unlived life is seeking our attention. When we feel restless, bored, or empty despite an outer life filled with riches, the unlived life is asking for us to engage. To not do this work will leave us depleted and despondent, with a nagging sense of ennui or failure. As you may have already discovered, doing or acquiring more does not quell your unease or dissatisfaction. Neither will âmeditating on the lightâ or attempting to rise above the sufferings of earthly existence. Only awareness of your shadow qualities can help you to find an appropriate place for your unredeemed darkness and thereby create a more satisfying experience. To not do this work is to remain trapped in the loneliness, anxiety, and dualistic limits of the ego instead of awakening to your higher calling.â Â â Robert A. Johnson
Peter
ParticipantIt is an interesting paradox that it takes a strong and healthy ego to detach itself from the Self and doing so enter the flow of the life/death/life cycle â vice fighting it.  Saying YES to life as it (life lives off life) while remaining fully engaged in life.
Ego is defined as
- a person’s sense of self-esteem or self-importance.
- the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity.
- (in metaphysics) a conscious thinking subject.
The ego plays an important role in the task of becoming, particularly as the mediator between the conscious and the unconscious. Without the ego it would be very difficult to communicate experience to others or ourselves (definition 2 and 3).
The problem arises when we attach our sense of Self to the ego (definition 1).  When we do this, we unconsciously attach the self and consciousness to our experiences, thoughts and or emotions.  âIâ (which is a construct of language) becomes attached to a sense of identity… I am my experiences, I am my thoughts, I am my emotions, I am my ego⌠I am a construct of language⌠and we end up in knots, a plaything of emotions and manipulations.  In stead of a flowing consciousness we have a consciousness that is fixated on a emotion, thoughts, experience and all the pain that that brings.
In Jungian psychology the word death is associated with the cycle of life the life/death/life cycle so any letting go evolves a kind of dying. We make space for something else to emerge. It is a leap into uncertainty. A part of the ego that we cling is the idea that we can control the life/death/life process that is LIFE. Letting go of that is scary so we hang on and the more we cling the more we suffer… and the more we clingâŚ.  until we let go⌠Equals âdyingâ is painful.
I saw the movie Inside Out over the weekend. It really demonstrates the suffering mind that clings to core memories and personas of the self. Before Riley new sense of self can be established the old sense of self is painfully destroyed but that this was required before the new more mature, perhaps less innocent sense of self could be create. A process that movie implies is going to happen at every stage of life. Our sense of self is always changing so attaching ourselves to the sense of self (ego) is going to be painful when the time comes when it no longer works for us.
There is a time for everything including attaching our sense of self to our ego and the language construct âIâ (which is mistaking the map for the territory). Â As we awaken to the process we develop a healthy sense of self that âknowsâ when its time to let it go and make room for what comes next.
Peter
ParticipantHi Justin
You noted that you have a tendency to compare yourself with others. This is a good place to start working on in a mindfulness practice. How is the habit of comparing yourself to others working for you? Are there any payoffs you get from comparing yourself to others, even negative payoffs that might reinforce the behavior? Where did the habit come from?
The site has allot of articles associated with this habit of comparison which might help you get started in your practice.
Peter
ParticipantIf one travels down the path Buddhism the question of good and evil fades as does the question of what might happen to one tomorrow. What is important is the present moment and acting from the core of one truth as understood in the moment, open to learning, and discovery of themselves.
Interestingly the Buddha had very little to say about the afterlife. Such thoughts tend to lead to speculation distracting a person from the present and attachment to ego
Every breath is purpose, every breath is meaning, every breath is sacrifice, every breath is a death, every breath is a rebirth.
âFor me, trees have always been the most penetrating preachers. I revere them when they live in tribes and families, in forests and groves. And even more I revere them when they stand alone. They are like lonely persons. Not like hermits who have stolen away out of some weakness, but like great, solitary men, like Beethoven and Nietzsche. In their highest boughs the world rustles, their roots rest in infinity; but they do not lose themselves there, they struggle with all the force of their lives for one thing only: to fulfil themselves according to their own laws, to build up their own form, to represent themselves. Nothing is holier, nothing is more exemplary than a beautiful, strong tree. When a tree is cut down and reveals its naked death-wound to the sun, one can read its whole history in the luminous, inscribed disk of its trunk: in the rings of its years, its scars, all the struggle, all the suffering, all the sickness, all the happiness and prosperity stand truly written, the narrow years and the luxurious years, the attacks withstood, the storms endured. And every young farm boy knows that the hardest and noblest wood has the narrowest rings, that high on the mountains and in continuing danger the most indestructible, the strongest, the ideal trees grow.
Trees are sanctuaries. Whoever knows how to speak to them, whoever knows how to listen to them, can learn the truth. They do not preach learning and precepts, they preach, undeterred by particulars, the ancient law of life.
A tree says: A kernel is hidden in me, a spark, a thought, I am life from eternal life. The attempt and the risk that the eternal mother took with me is unique, unique the form and veins of my skin, unique the smallest play of leaves in my branches and the smallest scar on my bark. I was made to form and reveal the eternal in my smallest special detail.
A tree says: My strength is trust. I know nothing about my fathers, I know nothing about the thousand children that every year spring out of me. I live out the secret of my seed to the very end, and I care for nothing else. I trust that God is in me. I trust that my labor is holy. Out of this trust I live.
When we are stricken and cannot bear our lives any longer, then a tree has something to say to us: Be still! Be still! Look at me! Life is not easy, life is not difficult. Those are childish thoughts. Let God speak within you, and your thoughts will grow silent. You are anxious because your path leads away from mother and home. But every step and every day lead you back again to the mother. Home is neither here nor there. Home is within you, or home is nowhere at all.
A longing to wander tears my heart when I hear trees rustling in the wind at evening. If one listens to them silently for a long time, this longing reveals its kernel, its meaning. It is not so much a matter of escaping from one’s suffering, though it may seem to be so. It is a longing for home, for a memory of the mother, for new metaphors for life. It leads home. Every path leads homeward, every step is birth, every step is death, every grave is mother.
So, the tree rustles in the evening, when we stand uneasy before our own childish thoughts: Trees have long thoughts, long-breathing and restful, just as they have longer lives than ours. They are wiser than we are, as long as we do not listen to them. But when we have learned how to listen to trees, then the brevity and the quickness and the childlike hastiness of our thoughts achieve an incomparable joy. Whoever has learned how to listen to trees no longer wants to be a tree. He wants to be nothing except what he is. That is home. That is happiness.â â Hermann Hesse
Peter
ParticipantThe support group sounds like a good idea
It is unlikely that your mother can change the way she interacts with you even if she really wants to. (which I bet she does) The task then will be for you to find a better way in which you respond â vice react – to the experiences, memories, resentments, frustrations, fears⌠ It is possible. Focus your care taking skills on yourself. Eventually as you work on it you will notice that you can view an experience without attaching your sense of self to it. You can feel sad without âbeingâ sad, you can feel frustrated without âbeingâ frustrated⌠When you get to a place where you really âknowâ that difference of feeling and being you will find that you have created a safe space for yourself and I would bet some creative impulse emerges. When it does show up be courageous, no judgments, no labels just follow it and I think you will surprise yourself.
Peter
ParticipantThe task of coming to terms with your experiences and memories while having to deal with a constant reminder could make any new mindfulness practice difficultâŚ. and Iâm guessing setting healthy boundaries with your Mother hasnât gone to wellâŚ.
Are you able to create safe space â physically and mentally – for a few hours every day. A Place where you can pause and direct your attention elsewhere?
In Dream interpretation a solution is often presented by the subconscious. Â Would you like to share a example of a dream that you have?
Peter
ParticipantHara
Sorry your feeling this way.
As this is a Buddhist site I will ask you these questions. Do we make our memories or do our memories make us? If you woke up one morning without memories of your past who would you be? Could it be possible as Aiyana suggest that with practice you can detach your sense of self from past experiences. If so who would you?
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