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  • in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #285879
    Lily
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    Dear anita,

    yes, honesty is probably the most important quality I am looking for in a possible partner or also in friends. I thought K. was honest, but maybe he was just manipulative… I am tired of him. Hope he leaves me alone now.

    Yesterday I talked a little with my therapist about how to change… Hm, I am not sure if I understood and maybe I will have to ask again next time. She said something how I am used to my negative self-image and that we often try to keep everything as it is. And she gave me a book about thoughts and feelings. It seems to be good and talks about managing thoughts and feelings…

    Your example makes sense. I can understand what you mean. Hopefully I will be able to change my negative feelings about myself. I think I have already started…

    During the last days I felt a little bit better, but I also didn’t enter the community rooms. It just feels better for me to concentrate on myself and my studies. I also painted more and got more work done. Being alone feels more calming to me right now. So I don’t have to worry so much, what others think.

    I know, it is not a real solution, more like a band aid… I can see that I absolutely overreacted when people forgot to say hello and such little things. It might mean nothing. What happened I think is this: I was feeling unhappy and insecure because of K. I withdrew myself more and more and got more nervous. After a while, people might have noticed and wondered about me. Maybe they also don’t know how to react to me because I give off such an insecure vibe…

    But for now, I prefer to be just by myself. I want to be calm and not have more stress and worries…

    I am glad to hear that your leg is fine. And with the sunny weather you can also go for your walks again, right? Here, it is starting to look more and more like spring. You can see plants blossoming and birds with twigs in their beaks… But it is still cool.

    Hope you have a good day!

    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #285341
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    thank you for your long response. And how are you? Is your leg doing better?

    I think I have to stop to seek validation from outside and just become o.K. with myself. Deep down I know that I am o.K., that I am honest and that I have some other good qualities. But this fear of judgement is deeply ingrained inside of me and hard to overcome.

    Next time I see my therapist, I will talk to her about it. About this core belief that I have and how to overcome it. I feel like I am already making some progress. Because of talking to her and to you too.

    Yesterday I asked one of my floormates that I talked to before, if there was a problem. But she said that everything was o.K. and that people liked me. I almost started to cry and felt a bit embarrassed afterwards. But it helped me to feel a little better. If there was a problem, I would prefer to talk about it. Sometimes I fear that I seem too fragile, so people won’t tell me the truth. But probably I should stop to think so much and just accept if people tell me it is o.K.

    I guess they really will not think so much about me. Unless I keep asking stupid questions again. At the moment, it is better for me to spend time alone, I think. I am more relaxed then. Better work and study instead of wasting my time with worrying so much.

    You are right, I need to stop making assumptions too. Not assume that people will dislike me. I think if I am just being myself, without all the fear and self doubt, it will be o.K. And I should stop taking myself so seriously. People have their own problems to worry about.

    Yes, I think I am reliving my childhood experience. but I think I have begun to understand things a little bit better lately.

    Just in the past months, what happened with K. just stressed me a lot and weakened me. I hope that he stops contacting me now and if he does, I have to say no to him. Even though I liked him, but in the end, I don’t really know who he is. I never was part of his everyday life and we didn’t share our problems. The only thing I can do now is learn from this experience and take things a lot lot slower next time. And listen to my own feelings and speak up more. Also be more careful and observe more how the person behaves.

    Yes, I was also suspecting that he did see other women after that one phone call where I threw away my phone. I probably should have realized sooner, but I was very convinced that he was honest. And I thought that he had just lost interest in me, because I am too difficult and that he just didn’t know how to end it.

    When he asked me if I saw another man, I asked him back and absolutely didn’t expect something. But he answered “not in the same way as you.” Which is a very weird answer! But then again he said that it was all in his past and that he doesn’t have the time to date other women.

    If he had a girlfriend, it makes me sick that I was part of something like cheating. It is not what I believe in and I don’t want to be involved in something like this. Next time, I have to be more careful. I was very naive…

    Maybe I also shouldn’t have talked to him again after he already said all of these weird things. But his sweet talk confused me. And he said that it was all in his past… And I guess I deluded myself for a few days about a possible relationship…But I guess I am just not perfect.

    But at least talking to him again gave me the opportunity to assert myself more and say no to him. I was also able to explain to him why I acted the way I acted, because I wanted him to understand me  better. Even if he maybe didn’t care, it made me feel a little bit better. And it was a better way to end it for me, instead of such an abrupt ending. Well, he didn’t address anything I wrote to him and wrote just a short message. Maybe because it was a bit too much, maybe because he doesn’t care.

    With time, I will feel better without him. And maybe in a faraway future there will be a chance for a relationship. But right now I should try to work on myself and try to like myself.

     

     

    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #285041
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    today the same flatmate ignored me again. She was not at the meeting yesterday.I am wondering: what did I do wrong? It is possible, that I was not polite to people sometimes. At the moment I just feel stressed here at this dormitory and I don’t know how to act anymore. For example, I saw one neighbour when getting out of the train from behind. I don’t know her that well and was feeling weird and didn’t want to walk home together. So I quickly walked past her…

    I guess things like that can make others uncomfortable. And because I get the feeling that people talk about me, I become more and more uncomfortable. And then I act less and less natural.

    Or maybe it was because I was so nervous at the meeting and asked about the suspicions. Who knows, maybe I made myself seem guilty.

    I guess all my attempts to fix things are incredibly clumsy… But I tried. And I fixed the thing with the co worker. I also faced my fears and wend to the meeting (even though it probably made things worse). And I was able to say no to K. I was able to tell him my true feelings.

    It is actually progress, I think (at least I tried to face my problems), so why do I still feel so bad?

    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #285003
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    I went to the meeting and nobody accused me. I was very nervous and probably made the others uncomfortable. They were talking about missing objects, two missing knives. And I said that I had felt like they had suspected me and that it had made me feel uncomfortable (I don’t know, it’s maybe not the smartest thing to ask? It probably also made everyone uncomfortable…). But the one woman said that she asked everyone, the other also said that she had suspected everyone. Everything was o.K. and I relaxed a little.

    People were friendly and even invited me or everyone to join their board game night… But if I were to go there, I would only make everyone uncomfortable I think.

    Maybe I completely overreacted? But it was weird that I got asked twice about it. I still think that they must have talked about me. First there were weird looks and someone ignored me, then they were super-nice all of the sudden. But it’s probably understandable that they wonder about me, as I have isolated myself quite a bit.But it just makes me feel more uncomfortable… I don’t want to be noticed or be seen as different… Sometimes I wish I could just be invisible or non-existent!

    After the renovations a lot of new people moved in and everything changed. People became more close and do more things together. I am not part of this, which is of course my fault. In the past months I was so overwhelmed with feelings of shame and guilt and wanted to be alone more. And so I became an outsider. I am not good with groups anyways! Never was I accepted in one… In school people called me “freak” and threw paper balls at me. Some boy told me what an ugly face I had, things like that… Or at the church choir and everywhere people disliked me.

    It bis always the feeling of not being respected, not being good enough. But maybe a lot of it is in my own head! Why do I care what these strangers care anyways??? I wish I could stop thinking about it and just do my own thing.

    In therapy we talked about something similar, like the thing with the manipulative crying. I think me expressing my feelings wasn’t encouraged. My parents wanted me to be a certain way and I should follow that. There was not much room for me finding my own voice. When I resisted, I was punished.

    In my opinion , you could also deal differently with a child that sees the world differently than you. You could talk to it, ask questions, try to understand. But there was only judgement and I could not truly be myself around them.That is probably why I like to be alone so much. I can relax. I can be myself. I can be not perfect.

    Maybe I feel responsible for everything that goes wrong because I was some sort of scapegoat in my family. I had this feeling that I was responsible for the problems in my family. Because I was different and difficult, because I didn’t accept my parents path, I was the problem.

    But I don’t remember so many things where a dishonest intent of mine was assumed. But somehow there was the feeling that I was not o.K. the way I was. That I was somehow difficult, spoiled etc.

    And I still feel like I am the problem everywhere. At work or at the dormitory.

    Yes you are right, it feels like torture and I wished that I could become more o.K. with myself. I am sorry you had to go through this. It is not o.K. to make a child feel guilty like that for small mistakes. A grown up should truly know better! I too, feel very afraid to make mistakes and am far too perfectionistic.

    I think it takes a lot of strength and willpower to face and overcome such bad beliefs about yourself. So you must be a very strong person.

    About K. The things I wrote to him were my true feelings. That I should concentrate on my healing process at the moment and that I am not ready for a relationship right now. And that I lost my trust in him. On these grounds a healthy relationship cannot be established. So the reasonable thing is to let it be.

    It is just, that I secretly want to be in a relationship and sometimes he showed me his affection. It is something that I miss. When we slept embracing each other closely, or when he was just laying his head on my knees and I was caressing his face, it is things like this that I am missing. I would have liked to be there for him. But I was too afraid to be truly myself, I was always nervous and feeling unworthy. He also kept his problems to himself.

    Sometimes I worry that I have painted him in a too negative light in this thread? On the phone he said that he wanted to be in a true relationship now. And that he didn’t want to hide his problems away from me any longer. That he thought that true love would have never be possible for him again… And I don’t know if someone could lie so shamelessly??

    But then, he told lies or some things just didn’t quite make sense. And that he doesn’t want his sister to know is also very weird (even though I would have been embarrassed and uncomfortable too to meet his friends and family. I am not good at such things. But to make it a secret?).

    Hm, the best will be to let it be.Sometimes I get very sad and think that love will just not be possible for me. But then again, I have my best friend, that is truly there for me. My parents also try their best now to be supportive and understanding. There are the small things in life that truly make me happy… There is art and nature… Maybe I should just be more thankful for those things.

     

     

     

    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #284723
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    maybe I can go to yoga class, instead of the meeting. But I am still not fully decided.

    Today I talked to my therapist about it. And no matter what I do, some people will not approve. If I go there, I will probably be nervous and seem suspicious. If I don’t go, people will also find it suspicious. So what do I want? I never liked those meetings and now I feel even less enthusiastic about going there.

    Yes, K. has contacted me. It seems like I cannot hide anything from you. I thought you wouldn’t like it, so I didn’t mention it. But I think I also handled it allright this time.

    When I told my parents that I lost my phone via Email, my father wanted to get a new SIM card (with the same number) for me immediately. But I said that I want to maybe take care of it myself. But after I hadn’t done it after a week or so, my mother got worried and sent a used phone and the card to me.

    Well, I told my mother that I had wanted to take care of it myself, she was resistant at first. But later my parents asked about our phone calls and how to handle it in the future. When to call and so on. See, my parents are not bad people and our relationship has improved during the last years. Even when I was I child, I guess they wanted the best, but they were overwhelmed it seems to me.

    Anyways. K. called from the phone of one of his friends. And I listened. I was confused. He told me he missed me and such things. But I said to him that I want to think about everything and call him again the next day. I was still confused, thinking about him and the hopes I had had for a relationship with him. So on the phone I told him that I want to meet him for a personal talk at a Cafe or to go for a walk together. I also told him, that I don’t want to sleep with him for a while and also we should not spend the night together for some time. He accepted everything at first. Said, that I could sleep at his place when I come visit him, while he sleeps at his cousin’s.

    For a while I was considering if we could try it again. I was thinking to suggest to him, that we could go to the museum together, cook together or go for walks together and such and get to know each other better. But not have sex or sleepovers for some months. I also wanted to insist, that we don’t keep it a secret from his sister and that she has to see us together.

    He wanted to come for a visit last weekend. But then he canceled it because he had to take care of the keys from his work place ( I don’t really understand what he meant and why he couldn’t return them in time if he just drove home a bit earlier?). It seemed like he wanted to change his plans again though if he could sleep over. I also suggested that I could come to see him at his city for a few hours and for the talk. But he didn’t want that apparently (“I wanted you to calmly wait at home” he said?). And he wanted to go swimming and such things. But if the talk with me was truly so important to him (like he said), then why couldn’t he just go swimming a little bit later, after I was gone home?

    Then I asked if we could meet each other this weekend. And said that I just wasn’t able to see him on Saturday evening, because I was going to a concert. So he wanted to come along, then walk home to my place together and talk. I asked: and then you want to sleep over? And that was what he wanted. But I told him that he can sleep at his sisters place and we can meet on Sunday. I also first wanted to talk to him, before I go out with him again…

    Well, I got the feeling that he just wanted to go back to how things were before? And I also noticed that I did not trust him very much. So after a few days I wrote him a long message explaining my feelings to him. That I don’t feel like I am ready for a relationship now. That I rather want to work on myself at the moment. That I lost my trust in him. That I feel our communication didn’t work out. That I often didn’t tell him what I wanted. But that I also felt that he didn’t told me what bothers him and such. And that I wish him well.

    It felt good for me to write this message. I had wanted to tell him those things for so long. And maybe it was a bit much, but it was the truth and therefore it was o.K. I think.

    Today he responded with a message with three crying emojis. Saying that he doesn’t know what to say. That he really tried to do his best to make it work this time. But that it is o.K. It is my decision.

    I think it will be the best not to respond anymore. But I have to say, that a part of me still feels vulnerable to his advances.

    I feel I am more able to say no to him now, because I don’t feel like he is this perfect person anymore. And maybe I am not that unworthy.

    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #284697
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    I cannot think of anything wrong or bad, that I did to these people. Except for maybe being clumsy in social situations. But I am always polite, I don’t disturb anyone. And I certainly didn’t take anything away from anyone.

    But I can understand, that I might seem suspicious and I am an outsider to their group.

    My feelings of guilt and shame increased in the past months, because of the thing with K. And people might have noticed. But also, with him, is there really something to ashamed of? It is something that I tried and that didn’t work out. Of course, I didn’t always make the best decisions, but I am still learning.

    The situation with this knife stressed me out a lot. And then I have a tendency to think crazy thoughts and to overreact completely. I wish I could stop feeling guilty for everything that goes wrong around me!

    I don’t know if I can find the strength to go to this meeting.. I just want to have calmer times, where I can focus on my true problems.

    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #284627
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    thank you for your help and support.

    I don’t know so much of what else they could say. Sometimes I worry that they will accuse me of other things. For example, last summer, while living at the other place because of renovations, a lot of things were stolen. K. told me that his sister’s computer was stolen. Apparrently she didn’t lock her room and someone took it.

    Will they also accuse me of this? And if they do, on the phone K. said that he doesn’t want her to know about us. And all this time I thought that she knew, and even worried that she didn’t like me. So I was probably more nervous around her, because I was reminded of him…

    I also don’t want to talk about my experience with him, as this is noones business. Should I admit to seeing him, when the topic comes up? Somehow I am always close to those things that got stolen? But I really did not take anything away from anyone! I was in her room, because K. invited me there. But didn’t even think of taking anything away! And didn’t. It all makes me very uncomfortable.

    It all must sound very weird and suspicious. Why do these strange things always happen to me? Sometimes I wonder, if you will even still believe me with all the craziness that is happening to me. I don’t know if I believe myself.

    I also don’t know if there were more stolen things.

    And I am still asking myself, if I should say something, if the topic of stealing comes up. If I should then say that I feel uncomfortable, because I feel like they are suspecting me? Or should I say nothing?

    And I am also thinking: why should I subject myself to all this stress of the meeting, when i didn’t do anything wrong? But it will also be more stressful, if I don’t know what is going on there….

     

    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #284615
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    yes, I have to slowly work to build up the good habits that I want to establish in my life. Better start slowly and not go for huge projects like I have a tendency to do…

    I try to remind myself that I didn’t do anything wrong. But there is also a voice inside of me that says: what if the food you took from the food sharing shelf wasn’t for you to take (I didn’t take so much)? What if you misunderstood everything and stole the food without knowing.

    But I guess this is my irrational voice. I try to tell myself, that if someone puts something inside this shelf, they have to expect that someone will take it. They even made a poster saying “food sharing shelf”. And if there was a problem, they should make it clear to everyone and talk about it. Or put up another poster explaining the rules better… What do I know.

    Anyways! I’m not touching anything from these people anymore!! I don’t even go to the community rooms very often and stopped cooking there.

    But maybe I should go to the meeting. If they bring up the topic of stealing, should I then say that I have the feeling that they suspect me and that it makes me feel very uncomfortable? Or should I just listen and wait to hear what they will have to say?

    Maybe they will say that I behave weirdly. That I seem to avoid the others and that I often prepare my food in my room (it just makes me feel more comfortable and relaxed when there is noone around….)

    Then I could maybe say: I was not feeling so well during the last months and needed more time for myself. And that I am just a more private person. Also, I always prepared (cut vegetables etc.) my food in my room (I know it must seem very weird! But in the first dormitory I lived, I didn’t cook (and I love to cook!) at all, because of my fear of people… So this was a small progress…)

    They could say that I seem nervous. And then I could answer: “I am just a more nervous and insecure person. That is my nature.”

    They could say that I have an ikea knife, while the other person’s knife is missing. My answer could be: “I have lots of items from ikea, including a knife. I even borrowed it to one flatmate for her pumpkin soup. I am sorry that the flatmate lost her knife, but I don’t know where it is. I even searched my whole cupboard after the other flatmate asked me about it, to see if I had accidently taken it. But it wasn’t there.”

    I think I will be already nervous just going to the meeting! And it will make me look more suspicious. But that is, of course, because I assume that they have been talking about me and because people asked weird questions and acted weirdly.

    In the past months I think I got even more nervous, because of what happened with K. Before that, I wasn’t even so aware of my nervousness… But during those times my anxiety rose! I had my heart racing, which I had never experienced or noticed before… And of course others will have noticed that too… But I am starting to feel calmer again. And starting to be able to say no a little bit better, I feel.

    Hopefully I can resolve the problem. Like I did with the Co Worker. But at work, people also know me a little bit better. And some also like me and appreciate my work (they even asked me to come back after a period where the company didn’t do so well, when it was doing better again). I don’t feel like I have allies at the dormitory… There are some people I sometimes talked to and that I like, but I was just too busy with my own problems in the past months and not ready to meet new people…

    In any case, it will be best to find a new place to live and start over.

     

     

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 8 months ago by Lily.
    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #284475
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    it is true that I put myself down in front of others. For example I criticized my own artwork when presenting it to my professor and the class. Not only criticized it, but said about some of it that it is bad. It is a very bad habit of mine, that I need to stop doing. If I see the amazing artwork of others, I often get insecure about my own. But I actually know that I have some talent. And even my professors often say good things about my stuff. I need to stop comparing myself to others. But it’s easier said than done.

    I was able to resolve the problem with the Co-worker. We talked and now everything is o.K. again.

    Maybe I can also resolve the situation at the dormitory. My friend said, I should go to the floor meeting. To see what they talk about. So I won’t have to worry and stress about what it was about. And if they talk about the problem with the knife, maybe I can bring up the topic that I feel like they suspect me. And maybe it can all be resolved then…. But I am afraid that everyone will gang up on me. And I will get very distressed and nervous then most likely. And then I will look even more suspicious!!! I almost feel like I actually did something wrong already!

    I think it is a good idea to examine more why I get so distressed over small comments with my therapist. The best will be if I write those comments I can remember down beforehand. In my opinion, it is because I heard lots of negative things about myself as a child and got very little encouragement. Nobody was really on my side. But a closer examination could be helpful. Sometimes my therapist comes up with things that I didn’t even think of.

    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #284247
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    thank you for advice. I took back those things. Last friday I just was in a very bad mood. One of my Co-workers made passive aggressive jokes again that made me feel so worthless. I almost started to cry at work and had suicidal thoughts on friday and saturday.

    Then I had to think again about the question with the knife. And it got to me and I went a little bit crazy.

    Next week is also a floor meeting again and I do not want to go. I don’t want more stress… That’s also why I avoided going into the community rooms the last days. I just don’t want my peace of mind to be disturbed again. But it will probably make me look more suspicious. Sadly my answers to her questions must have made me look already very suspicious.

    Somehow I always seem to have issues in social situations. Maybe because I am socially awkward and don’t talk much. So people don’t understand. Maybe also because I don’t like myself much and put myself down, so others also don’t respect me.

    You are right, thoughts can’t harm me. But I get very afraid of them. Even in my childhood I was very afraid of being judged. Probably because I heard a lot of mean comments at home and at school. But I am grown up now and people usually don’t dare to make such comments to adults (how sad that some would then think it is okay to treat kids in this way? Or to hit them? When they would never do this to an adult!).

    I think I will read more positive books and such to fill my head with positive, inspirational thoughts. This will leave less room to the fearful thoughts. And I should also work on my drawings and my career, so then I will also feel better about myself. I now got into this mentoring programm and am thinking to show my future mentor some of my artwork when I first meet them. And I also want to tell them my plans on what I want to work on next and ask them for tips on how I can improve professionally.

    On sunday I went out for a walk and then painted. It really helped to just go and do something despite not feeling good! I have to remind myself of this. And be a little bit more stricter with myself.

    Last night I had an  idea for a graphic novel that I could use for my bachelor thesis. I could go into the library and start researching once a week, so then I can present my idea to my professor next autumn or in late summer. I think I have the artistic and intellectual abilities to make a good book. Just need to work on my discipline!

     

    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #283771
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    recently I worry a lot again and I need to share it with someone.

    Some months or weeks ago, one of my flatmates asked me if I had seen her knife. She only owns one. I didn’t think much about it. But recently, I was cooking with my knife from ikea and another flatmates asked: “Have you seen the knife of this flatmate? She is missing her ikea knife?” And I asked: “Oh, like this knife?” And she replied “Yes, like this one” But I explained, that I owned this knife for longer. And looked in the community cuppboard, to see if it was there… And she said “Yes this is exactly where she always put it.”

    Now, after this conversation it seemed weird to me that she was asking again about the knife after so many weeks. And it seems now to me, like they think that I am stealing or something???

    Afterwards I looked through my whole cupboard to see if I had accidently taken the knife and now had two knifes, but there was none. And I started to worry, if I had stolen something, without realizing. They have a food sharing shelf and I once took one or two oranges from there. But I thought it was o.K., since it was the food sharing shelf, and why else would you put your food there?

    Also, we had to move out of the dormitory for a while some months ago, as they were renovating the dormitory. The administration said, that they would throw away everything away that was left over. On the last day or so, I found out that my pan was missing. I had already prepared my food, so I used a leftover pan. I asked one of the few people who last moved out, if it was her pan and explained the situation. She said it wasn’t and that it this point, I could surely take everything that was still there. So I kept the pan and also a few other items, as they would have thrown them away anyways. But now I was thinking about this and got worried. So I put the items I found months ago back in the kitchen yesterday, because maybe it was wrong to take them.

    But I realize, that this might seem even more suspicious to them, if they find out…

    Maybe this was the reason why the one woman behaved so weirdly to me. There was also an E-Mail about stealing going around back then. So maybe they think that I am a thief.

    Which I am not. I didn’t take the knife. Lots of people own things from ikea. But this all worries me so much…

    I definitely want to move away from here now. So far, I went to see one room in a flat that I would share with two other women. Maybe, if I live with less people, I could connect with them better and then we could understand each other better.

    Recently, I read “The four agreements” and it helped me a little to calm down. I reminded myself, that I did not take this stupid knife, so I have nothing to worry about.

    I guess I should calm down, I didn’t do anything to them. But instead it made me nervous and now I will seem more suspicious.

    The solutions could be:

    1) Try to act as normally as possible (but I am a very nervous person and this will be hard for me).

    2) Read books like the one by Miguel Ruiz to calm myself down and think more positive thoughts. Maybe after a while I can train my head to think in a more healthy way and respond more calmly to problems like this. Try to think about more positive things.

    3) Intensify my search for a new place to live. I have to move out from here in a few months anyways and I feel so uncomfortable here.

    I am sorry for the long rant… In the past I was made to be the scapegoat and now I feel guilty for things that I didn’t even do. I just needed to talk to someone…

    And how are you doing?

    • This reply was modified 5 years, 8 months ago by Lily.
    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #281167
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    I think I understood a few things better recently. Hopefully I can now make better decisions based on that in the future. But theory and praxis are still two different things… Maybe I just need a little bit longer than others, because I didn’t learn those lessons in my childhood and adolescense.

    Yes, I need to remind myself that this is in the past and I shouldn’t bring these painful memories to the present again and again in my thoughts. I’m only tormenting myself with this.

    Thank you for your helpful advice, as always.

     

    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #280991
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    what you wrote there could be the truth. When I was younger I had so many dreams about travelling, writing books etc. But at some point it stopped being important. I got this feeling like: “I wish I wouldn’t wake up in the morning anymore.” I felt like nothing mattered any longer. I didn’t feel much.

    I have been through a lot, lots of bad experiences. But I want to work on myself to improve my life and get better in the future.

    Recently I got more in touch with my feelings again. I think it is because of talking to you and also my therapist.

    But at the moment those feelings are mostly negative, negative feelings about myself. I regret humiliating myself for a person that didn’t even care about me, just to not disappoint them. But this is in the past now, I have to move on from this. I have to forgive myself and be kind to myself. I really feel mentally exhausted at the moment. It would be nice to get away for some days… But I can at least go for walks or yoga class to calm down and heal myself.

    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #280767
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    even as a child, I wasn’t very confident. I wanted very much to be confident and thought that being confident meant being loud and rebellious. So I tried to act like that, I even kind of took pride in having bad marks, to not been seen like a nerd. I was very confused and didn’t know that you can also be calm and confident at the same time.

    But in my teenage years, I also was very afraid of boys. It seemed impossible to me that one could like me, When someone suggested that a calssmate was interested in me, it seemed so unrealistic that I thoght they were just making fun of me. But thinking back later I thought that maybe he could have been interested.

    My teenage and childhood years have been very much consumed with my own personal religious war against my parents. I made fun of my parents with my friends. For example when my father proclaimed that one of my favorite TV shows was linked to a cult. Especially back then they were very close-minded with their religious beliefs, today it has improved a little bit. And I was more influenced by my friends and Televison, so I had a very different world view. They grew up in a completely different time (GDR) under very different circumstances (both grew up on a farm) and we couldn’t understand each other.

    Sometimes I stood up to my parents. I told them that I didn’t want to go through with confirmation, but in the end I caved in. The same with religion class. At a certain age, you are supposed to choose freely between religion class and ethics class on your own. But I had to go to religion class, even though I didn’t want to. Sometimes I rebelled against them. I secretly watched forbidden TV shows, I hit them back when they hit me or told them that I hated them ( I am not proud of myself for that, but I was an angry child). Most of the time, I rebelled in secret, not openly. Often I also did what they wanted, but had negative and angry feelings about it.

    I think as a teenager I was more convinced of myself. Then it didn’t go well with my career and my self-esteem became lower and lower. I was so afraid of the future and had existential fears from an early age on. Everybody was asking about what I was going to do with my life and I didn’t know the answer. I felt shame about being financially dependent on my parents still. And relatives also made such comments. Now I wish I would have just been a little bit more patient with myself.

    As I grew older, I also became more understanding of my parents. I wanted to take on responsiblity for myself. Maybe I took it too far.

    Also, I think in my early twenties, I think a shift in my thinking happened. One of my best friends didn’t call me or stay in contact anymore. She had been very important to me. Maybe it was just because we lived in different cities. But it hurt me very much. I wondered if I had shared too much about my problems with her. I made a vow not to be difficult anymore, to be nice in any case. Maybe it had something to do with this? Be friendly, don’t be negative is what I wanted to be. It took me a long time to find  a friend I truly cared for after our friendship had ended.

    My recent experiences with men also didn’t help. The way that first man treated me, I think it hurt me a lot. Otherwise I would have probably not given in to have sex so easily with the second one. Because with the first one, I said no at first. I pushed him away at first. But he didn’t stop and then I gave up. There was resistance on my part, but it wasn’t strong enough. And this pattern happened over months. But of course, he is not the root of all my problems, I don’t think. But as a teenager, I always wanted to wait for the right one. But then, when I had waited for so long, I felt kind of left out and desperate and lonely and wanted to make my own experiences… But I found the worst person for that.

    Overall, I am a living contradiction, I think. My emotional problems, they started as a child. I don’t think I was that confident. Only sometimes. And I think I was on my own side more. But also I was confused about how to behave, their was no real role model there…

    I don’t quite understand myself sometimes. I think I still have that strong side in me though.

     

    in reply to: What if you are the toxic person? #280737
    Lily
    Participant

    Dear anita,

    in my childhood I cannot remember such moments, I don’t think. Maybe I forgot. I also wasn’t very nice to him, I must say. Sometimes he helped me with my homework, but it was difficult as he is not so good at explaining and I wasn’t so interested in the subject. He tried to help me in his way, I think. For example he organized coaching lessons for the subjects I wasn’t good at.When I was little we went for day trips to places of interest, but I don’t know if I interacted much with him there?

    Now as a grown up, he has been kinder to me. Sometimes he can be understanding and gentle. I also admire how he stood up for his beliefs in a time where it wasn’t easy politically. Sometimes I sense his vulnerability and I feel compassion for him. But in my childhood there was not much mutual understanding, as far as I can remember. I think because of talking about my childhood more in therapy, old wounds opened again and I got angrier and more impatient with my parents recently. Why do you ask?

    I don’t remember clearly how I felt, when he hurt me. I think it didn’t feel good, it hurt me. When he said I blackmailed him with my crying, I then cried only when I was alone. As a child I felt like I wanted to break free, I couldn’t wait to grow up and move out. But when I grew up, I was pretty lost about what to do.

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