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MarkParticipant
Sheshe,
I think it is academic whether this guy is a player or an avoidant. It is his behavior that matters. You can understand why he behaves the way he does but ultimately it is how he behaves is how you decide on what to do with him. You have said he is trying hard though.You need to look at your own behavior. There is a saying, “Expectations are pre-meditated resentments.” Your expectations such as how he would greet you and you looking for signs of neglect are self-defeating. Work on yourself on self soothing and communication.
You say you don’t know how to sooth. There are many ways like exercise, meditation, deep breathing, visualization. Get to that place of being emotionally resourceful and deal with your needs rather than putting it on him. Demands are a quick way of making people distance themselves from you.
Mark
MarkParticipantAppletree123,
Good for you for taking the effort, time and courage to help yourself by getting into a new hobby, getting on medication, volunteering and helping others.
I wonder what you are getting from your therapy? What you are going through sounds a lot deeper than your guilt in having an affair. There is a real self-loathing. You don’t feel worthy. I assume that your boyfriend has forgiven you (even though it sounds like you went with this other guy while you and your bf were separated?). Regardless, you seem to have a real self-loathing which pushed you into this deep depression. I wonder why you stopped taking medication for that.
Regardless, it sounds that you have some deep, core issues with self-love and being loved. Your mention of not being close to your family indicates that. I would work on that with your therapist. Self love is a biggie. The “affair” is a side effect of not loving yourself.
Mark
MarkParticipantChloe Rose,
You did not say how long you have been married nor describe how you and your husband resolve issues.
It sounds like you two don’t really have a good way in communicating or discussing differences between each other. Are you looking for that?
Check our Marshall Rosenberg’s Non-Violent Communication process as a way to have a non-blaming conversation.
Mark
MarkParticipantAster,
I agree with everything what anita has said.
Your original assertion of not wanting to get into a relationship while he was married was the right one. Now you have to take charge of your life by getting help from a therapist and taking back your house.
He needs to live on his own in order to grow into emotional self-sufficiency. Jumping from one relationship into another is fraught with issues and challenges as you have experienced. You need the physical distance from him in order to get straight in your own mind and recover from this betrayal.
Mark
MarkParticipantK,
You asked about when I decided to quite my training for marathons and bike rides. I just got tired of doing it. I stopped enjoying the training and the physical toll it took on me. I wanted time to do other things.
You also ask what are some of things that make me truly happy with that feeling of “Wow.” I am still working to allow that in me. I perceive or judge myself by having a damped down sense of excitement and joy. My emotional range is not as wide as I would like. I don’t get really angry or really happy. When I feel pain, I now want to really feel it and sit with it to notice and be with it, to fully get into it. I do so partly because I want to feel the opposite as well, i.e. to really feel happiness and joy for unless I feel deeply with either emotion then I cannot really feel well.
I pay attention when I cry. I like when I cry for I believe that taps what is important and deep for me. I cry when I talk about my children. I pay attention when I laugh as well.
Insofar as activities that bring me that “Wow” feeling, I love dancing to live music with wild abandon with others who are enjoying themselves as well. I know that whatever I do, it is the company I keep that makes the activity fun and enjoyable. I can do something really great but without someone to share the experience with, it does not shine as bright for me.
Thanks for asking. This is something that I have been working on for years and been very conscious about getting more of.
Mark
August 1, 2019 at 4:59 pm in reply to: My Relationship Has an Expiration Date and It's Almost Time #306159MarkParticipantMichelle,
Being in the present moment is something only a very, very, very, very few can be and not all the time. It is a *practice* which means we need to keep going back to it… all the time.
Good for you to be self-aware in knowing that you have separation anxiety. And you are self-aware enough to recognize that you both have share such intimate and wonderful times together. For me, I have a small emotional range so I don’t feel the deep pain AND the soaring joy in life. The price you pay is it seems that you do. The good thing is that you experience the joy.
I do know that in order to get through pain and suffering is to sit with it. Not to push it away. To meditate on the emotions. To be mindful about it. To notice where in the body it physically shows up. To stay with the painful feeling about it. And let it be without judgment. It is difficult and really painful but it’s good practice in being totally with yourself.
Make sense?
Mark
MarkParticipantKathryn
Control of your life is important to you, as with most of us. You talk about making eye contact with people and how that can be awkward and uncomfortable. Eye contact, especially sustain eye contact connotes intimacy which can be uncomfortable with most people. It seems that you yearn for a close connection with people but it’s hard. You have “lost” the only real intimate relationship in your life with being so physically distant from him. It looks like you are a highly sensitive person who is very much in tune with not only your own emotions and energy but others around you as well. This makes it hard to navigate life and being around people, yes?
There is a deeper aspect with your Family-of-Origin which I am sure anita will ask you about that influences what you are going through but I won’t ask or go into that.
Your stuck and tiredness and lack of motivation to exercise or have the fear of eating well tells me that being depressed I believe it is important that we feel that we have *some* agency in our lives. How I view this eating/exercising/body image thing is looking at where I want to put my energy and focus. I use to run marathons and bicycle 100 mile rides. I would structure my days around the training and the recovery of that. I did that out of fear of not finishing. I learned and got tired of having my whole life revolve around this. I let go. Instead I worked on being OK with who I am and what I am.
Make sense?
Mark
MarkParticipantVLC90
I believe we all need to date the full four seasons/one year before even considering having such a commitment especially if you are younger than 40 and less than several serious relationships. There is no rush. Relationships offer the opportunity to emotionally grow, to learn about your wounds and hot buttons that your mate pushes… and to heal from that, to deeply get to know about yourself. See this as an opportunity to learn what about your ex draws you back to thinking about him. Break it down. Make a list. Make a Plus and Minus list about your current BF on paper. Plus consider couples counseling (and not with his own therapist).
Mark
August 1, 2019 at 3:54 pm in reply to: My Relationship Has an Expiration Date and It's Almost Time #306151MarkParticipantMichelle,
How do you get past and live in the now? Now that is an age old spiritual question. To practice being in the present moment is a a life long practice. To meditate and to be mindful are tools to do that. It is a practice. Catching yourself in the worry and then coming back to the present is a practice. Go forth and meditate. Go forth and find a spiritual practice that does mindfulness. Go find a community that supports that.
And are you an emotional masochist? My take on your story is that you are a courageous woman who is willing to put yourself out there to find someone to be with who can enrich your life, who can delight you, who can show you the emotional and sexual possibilities in your life. That may be a temporary thing or more a long term thing but that’s the risk to explore and grow. It’s all about finding your way to happiness. There are no guarantees or formula for this. True, it requires self-awareness and learning from your past experiences so work on that.
In the meantime, enjoy your life and relationship!
Mark
July 31, 2019 at 5:34 pm in reply to: Past relationship/memories of my ex is ruining my love life #305983MarkParticipantRin,
I remember reading an article in order to get the ex out of your head is whenever that happens, to recall the loving feelings you have with your current partner. Bring to mind all the good feelings when you have been together, bring a specific time and place when you felt so in love with him. Make is vivid by recalling the smells, the sounds, the physical and emotional feelings you felt when that happened.
Mark
July 31, 2019 at 4:34 pm in reply to: I [F32] look at my boyfriend's [M31] phone and found flirty messages and invites #305975MarkParticipantamy,
Always, always look at the behavior and not the words and especially the past history of the person.
Make your decision based on that. Plus examine why you want to get back together with him? Look into your own background why you are so willing to be second choice.
Mark
MarkParticipantKatie
I think you got it. Be happy. People around you will be attracted to that. The thing is that you have to be real and not to be fake.
Why don’t you try this exercise? Just be yourself and don’t pay attention to how people respond to you. It seems like you’re very sensitive and therefore modify your behavior according to how people respond. Try just being yourself out there.
Why don’t you try this exercise? Just be yourself and don’t pay attention to how people respond to you. It seems like you’re very sensitive and therefore modify your behavior according to how people respond. Try just being yourself without that.
Mark
MarkParticipantSandy,
The tricky thing about friendships we have implied contracts and expectations of one another. When the other person does not live up to what we expect them to do or be then we feel hurt, betrayed or disconnected from them.
It seems that you think that relationships should work like a bank. If you make deposits then you can expect to get back what you put into it equally or even better, with interest. It sounds like you expect people to put the same amount of care and effort back as you put towards them. You want fairness and equality. You did not get this from your friend or others.
Life and relationships are not balance sheets. You want to be part of their lives and they are moving on. You want to be a person who your friend shares her personal life with because you do that with her.
There is a saying, “Expectations are premeditated resentments.” Best to work on letting go of your expectations for, as you are experiencing now, it causes pain and hurt.
I approach living my life as throwing coins into a fountain. I don’t expect anything back from the love and caring that I give. If I do then it will be an added bonus.
Mark
July 29, 2019 at 4:37 pm in reply to: At the end of my rope: I can't seem to move on from first love… #305599MarkParticipantSylvia,
I go with anita is suggesting, i.e. eliminate all direct and indirect contact with him. You can let him go by living your life fully. As the saying goes, “The best revenge is a life well lived.” Focus on the activities and friends that nourish you. Go out and enjoy life.
Mark
MarkParticipantJill,
You are trading off your interests, hobbies, social life, intellectual development, finances, peace-of-mind and overall growth by sacrificing all that for living together. Is that what you want?
You say you don’t want to end things with Mike. You are equating by not living together with not loving Mike.
You say you have this aching loneliness and not in love so I invite you to look at what you are giving up by staying with him.
Mark
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