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Hi Dave,
Youâve tried to resuscitate your marriage but if her mind is made up then perhaps itâs time to begin to accept her decision, as difficult as it may be. Commit to being an amazing single father to your kids and explore what really motivates you in life and brings you joy. Itâs easy to lose ourselves in lifeâs many pressures; maybe itâs time to find yourself again. Itâs nothing to be ashamed of. Raising kids is hard, and your sons will be teenagers soon. Youâll need a  strong sense of self to guide them through those turbulent years. Maybe your wife is pulling away because she senses that youâve possibly lost that. A man of integrity whoâs focused on clear goals, has high standards and a positive outlook on life canât help but be an positive role model for his soon-to-be teenage sons and, trust me, their mother will notice. Get that guy back, Dave!
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BrandyParticipantYes, Helcat, I understand what youâre saying. Contemplation (or âcontemplative prayerâ or Peter I now understand these terms can be used interchangeably with âcentering prayerâ, a term you and another member used earlier) is the Christian Churchâs answer to the Transcendental Meditation movement that became very popular in the United States in the 1960s and 1970s. Contemplative prayer has a rich tradition, practiced by the Desert Monks of Egypt back in the 3rd century.
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BrandyParticipantHi Peter,
I think I understand what youâre saying about the fear of emptiness as we rest in the space of self-emptying (through meditation). I have experienced this I think, but I believe only within the first 5 minutes or so when Iâm still waiting for my overactive thoughts to settle the hell down. The purpose of meditation for me is to calm myself, escape my anxiety, and it works, but I donât experience joy through it. This brings me back to an earlier thread where we discussed happiness and the âflow of lifeâ. My words will fall short, I know, but as I tried to express in that thread, things seem to only make some sense when I feel a strong connection with and trust in that âflowâ, no matter how good my life is. When I was younger I thought differently. Back then obtaining the things that the world values brought me happiness, or so I thought. But I am middle-aged now and my feelings have changed. I wonder if this happens to a lot of people, if as we age we become less satisfied with those things that once satisfied us, so we seek answers to the bigger questions weâve had all along but were too busy (or too satisfied) to bother with. And itâs not only our increasing age that pushes us to find answers, but also challenging times as weâve all experienced over the past few years with the pandemic and everything elseâŚI think there are a lot of us out here who just want to rest in truth and goodnessâŚbut where does one find truth and goodness? Thatâs where our searching leads us, I believe. And if we move in the right direction, I think things start to feel less wrong and more right, less emptiness, more joy, less meditation, more contemplationâŚbecause weâre now in the flow.
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BrandyParticipantWell, I donât know if the monk laughs but it sure got a chuckle out of me! đ Thank you!
I need a few days to reflect on this before responding. My gut says it relates to what we were discussing earlier: the difference between meditation and contemplationâŚbut I could easily be wrong.
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BrandyParticipantBeautifully stated, as usual, Peter. Back to Jungâs âI knowâ, like you and Tee, I think IÂ mostly know, too. It may sound hokey but sometimes I feel that when everything is going right, when life is good and things are working out nicely, that unless I choose the ârightâ meaning for all my good fortune, Iâll be left with a feeling of emptiness in the midst of all my happiness. Maybe itâs devinely designed this way whereby the emptiness is a gentle nudge by the Self, Universe, G_d, etc. for us to seek answers that point us to hope in the right things, which will ultimately fill our emptiness with joy. And, of course, once we get there, we know weâve chosen correctly.
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BrandyParticipantItâs interesting what psychiatrist Viktor Frankl had to say about hope in his book Manâs Search for Meaning. He was a prisoner in the WWII concentration camps and noticed that those who survived the camps were not necessarily the strongest physically but instead the ones who didnât lose their sense of hope. Sadly, the mental health of those who did lose hope deteriorated.
Tee – There have been some interesting recent scientific findings on the role that fascia (connective tissue) plays on chronic pain (myofascial pain syndrome). There are still many unknowns but it may be of interest to you.
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BrandyParticipantHi Sagged,
How unfortunate that you crossed paths with this woman, but how fortunate that youâre now free of her! And the lessons youâve learned along the way are invaluable. So much excellent advice already given, so Iâll reiterateâŚWake up each morning looking forward, not backward. Youâre a decent guy with so much to look forward to. Iâm excited about your future!
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PS Welcome back Helcat! đ
BrandyParticipantHi Tom,
Youâve listed many of your qualities (a person of moral and ethical principles, someone who is on-time, keeps his word, follows etiquette, is respectful to others, etc.), and as wonderful as they all are, I wonder if you may be over-identifying with them. Donât get me wrong, I think itâs amazing that you have all of these noble qualities but do they really make up your truest self? Your truest self emerges once you drop the labels, step outside the constant stream of thoughts within your mind, and just be. This will allow you to be more at peace with yourself and others, and youâll experience more joy.
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BrandyParticipantHi Peter,
I suppose both could be true at the same time which is an interesting thought.
Regarding the Enneagram and that at some point something confronts our world view which causes us to compensate our natural type to our survival type, this rings true to me. For me personally I feel that my survival type is very different from my natural type. I havenât taken the test but Iâve a hunch I was a born happy-go-lucky âEnthusiastâ that evolved into a cautious âReformerâ. Lol
When you say âindifference likes to disguise itself as detachmentâ, do you mean that you may have been mostly indifferent to the events that transpired in your high school memory?
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BrandyParticipantI have experienced something very similar to what Peter described. In my situation, I wondered later in my life if my âdisassociationâ was about protecting myself from hurt and embarrassment. Emotions were there but there was a level of detachment also.
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BrandyParticipantHi Jamie,
I keep waking up in the morning with the same reel of thoughts and mental images of all the bad things that have happened to me in the past
I like that you used the word âreelâ because I think of it as a movie reel that keeps playing in my head over and over again. I like Robertaâs advice that the first step to breaking free is to become aware of whatâs happening: Your own personal horror movie just keeps playing in your mind. Itâs not real; itâs only a story your mind keeps telling you. Make the decision to step outside the movie and become an objective observer to it, almost like youâre not the leading character in it anymore. In other words, stop identifying with the story. Itâs over. Those things that happened are over. When you wake up tomorrow and you have a regret, donât get pulled in. Just observe it and let it pass. Make a decision to keep doing this as many times as you need to throughout the day. At first it will be hard and youâll be lucky to get a minute or two of freedom because these darn thoughts are persistent, but after some time it gets easier, becomes a healthy habit, and life becomes an adventure again.
All of us make a lot of mistakes throughout our lives because weâre human and humans make mistakes. Iâve made way too many, trust me. I forgave myself, and Iâll continue to do so because Iâll keep making mistakes, no doubt about that.ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻÂ Itâs time for you to forgive yourself too.
Our suffering is optional because we have the option to not get swept away by our thoughts. Just observe themâŚhere comes those massive regrets again, no big deal, yawn, ho-hum, what am I gonna do for fun after work today?âŚand let them go.
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BrandyParticipantHi William,
You are a 2nd year full-time computer science college student with a GPA that âisnât badâ. My advice is to stick it out and finish the degree in spite of your lack of passion for the field. Youâre right, the money is good but also there are a lot of jobs. Get the degree and your options will  open up. What youâre learning in school may be very different from what you potentially would be doing in the workforce. You havenât yet been exposed to all thatâs out there in this field. In other words, you donât know what you donât know! As you make your way through school start thinking about an industry that excites you. Good computer scientists are needed in just about every industry. Look for interesting companies with good benefits and with managers who nurture their employeesâ growth and want them to be happy. So many opportunities can surface from within any organization. The computer science degree will get you inside the door at a great starting salary, and once inside, search for your passion. Maybe youâll decide that computer science isnât it (or maybe youâll decide that it is), but once youâre inside a good company, get around, meet people, make friends, find out what inspires you, and go for it!
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BrandyParticipantPeter – Â Iâm not familiar with centering prayer but I have similar thoughts as you with regard to the differences between meditation and contemplation. The way I see it meditation is a human mode of prayer whereas contemplation is divinely infused prayer, and yes meditation can lead to contemplation. I think of contemplation as waiting for God (or the Universe or whatever term one wishes to use) to meet us and to be with us, so we can rest in his/its presence and listen for guidance with an open heart.
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March 31, 2023 at 1:00 pm in reply to: Leaving the love of my life at the other side of the world #416883BrandyParticipantHi Albert,
Iâm so sorry your mom is sick. I hope she makes a full recovery. You are young, 32, with a degree from a prestigious university. When youâre not caring for your mom, do you have a career to throw yourself into, to master a skill, to learn how valuable an employee you are, to make connections with interesting colleagues, and to get your mind off someone who isnât interested in a relationship with you? The world is full of new discoveries, opportunities, and wonderful people. Donât put your life on hold for a person who âis seeing someone else but still loves meâ. You are in control of your life. You get to decide to move forward and be even happier than you were before. Best wishes to you as you spend precious time with your mom and plan out your next exciting chapter.
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BrandyParticipantJill,
They are your children and you will miss them, and you are their mother and they will miss you. In time, maybe the three of you will be open to letting it all go, rebuilding a healthier and better relationship.
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