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April 10, 2024 at 12:09 pm #431548beniParticipant
Hi Roberta,
I’m with you. These small acts of kindness make my day whenever they happen.
There’s such a huge oppurtunity for us to support each other and make that first step. Trust in that impulse and express it.
And how sad it sometimes is to expirience the opposite.
April 10, 2024 at 12:02 pm #431543beniParticipant<p dir=”ltr”>Hi Tee,</p>
<p dir=”ltr”>I wonder if you, as a child, felt guilty for playing and simply having fun and being care-free, because your mother was always unhappy and sad, in the martyr mode? And so you felt guilty if you were happy and enjoying yourself?
And perhaps you rather did what was expected of you? Actually, now Iâve taken a look at you earlier posts: you said that you didnât do what was expected of you, but would rather freeze or engage in a self-destructive behavior:</p><p dir=”ltr”>
I think I was strong for my mom. My mom tells me that I was really intense. I think you had a simillar struggle if I remember right.
I also don’t remember super much. It’s hard to differentiate between analyzis and expirience.
I have some memories of self destructive behavior. Where I destroy things I like or a window or hit myself on the head to find some exit for how I feel. Or me and my younger brother having tension.
Mhh, I notice that I’m cold to my mom when I feel vulnerable like I do not send emojis then. I don’t trust that she can handle it then. Like she would get high on it. There are pictures of me expiriencing myself. You know what Gabor sais, it’s what’s not there. Empathy and the ability to express how you feel, really listen with the heart. I do not remember my parents doing that. Telling me how they feel or having these moments of connection much. Even nowadays it’s difficult and often I create it. I meet people who tell their parents are like their best friend and that’s how I imagine is how it can feel when you can express yourself both ways.</p><p dir=”ltr”>Thatâs nice. You did say in the beginning of your thread that you would like to have a deeper connection with people (âRight know I belief that what I actually want is deep connection with people.â). So it seems you are doing that now, offering your selfless, pure love (in form of kindness and help to a stranger), and thatâs how you are expressing what you couldnât as a child, i.e. what was not appreciated by your mother (or both parents?)</p>
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Mhh, yeah I do that and it seems to be wholesome. I still think the mentioned situation is in a way superfiscial but honest and authentic. It often feels not deep enough.</p>
<p dir=”ltr”>I feel that I long for a partner.</p>
<p dir=”ltr”>I think love couldn’t be received emotionally by my parents as much as I needed it or was toxic when given.</p><p dir=”ltr”>Yeah, it seems expressing your true self, your compassionate and loving self, is your priority at the moment. Also, expressing yourself perhaps in play (e.g. skate-boarding), or doing other activities that bring you joy, instead of getting stuck in the usual freeze response, which actually blocks your joyful self-expression.</p>
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Yeah, that’s what I want most in live. So, simple. Thanks for the support Tee ,<3</p>April 5, 2024 at 4:49 am #430618beniParticipantHi Tee,
Okay, it seems you do know what youâd like to do, but you feel unable to do it. (It can be frustrating to know things youâd like to do and not being able to do them.)
Because in your previous post you confirmed this understanding of mine: you donât know what your contribution (to the world) should be, and you want to pray for clarity on that.
But it seems that you do know what youâd like to do (i.e. what your contribution should be), but you feel unable to do it? Or you feel no joy in doing it? (Then I can pray for finding wayâs to do what I want to do with joy.) Oh perhaps you feel a certain obligation to do some acts of service, to serve the world in some way, but you feel no joy in doing that? Please help me understand because itâs not quite clear to meâŠ
Mostly it is helping myself these days. Yeah, like today and yesterday I need support to play and be stimulated and it’s so hard to give it to me. So the best I can do is try to not suffer too much and endure it.
I think what I can do well is to create harmony in daily live that’s what I do when I regulated myself and I’m doing public things. Maybe there’s someone who’s afraid to skate in the park and I notice it. I go to the person and I talk with her about it and let her know he/she’s welcome.
You are welcome, Beni. Okay, if thatâs how you feel, perhaps it is related to the above: feeling a certain obligation or pressure to do something grand and noble (to serve the world in some manner), but not feeling joy in doing that? Again, I apologize in advance if I am misunderstanding it.
I know what you mean, I believed this a few years ago. I think it’s rather simple that the meaning is to feel what would be the greatest now or in the foreseeable future and if you make it happen, that’s the meaning.
Like give a hug to this person or walk to the Garden, leave the house. Express yourself. Ask someone who she archived a goal. Tell someone that you appreciate him.Mhh that’s kinda where I’m going too. Still part of me feels that I only get accepted if I do whatever pleases people and I endure it.
April 3, 2024 at 10:58 am #430526beniParticipantHi Tee,
Oh⊠so youâre usually sick once a month with similar symptoms? But now itâs been lasting for 3 weeks, with symptoms ranging from exhaustion, feeling cold, feeling stiff, headaches etc. Sorry about that :/
Could be that your immune system is out of whack. Have you seen a doctor, or you already know this state, so itâs not something to seek help for?
Propably and Immunesystem whack, I’m finally getting better!
Actually Iâve been examining myself, and it could be psycho-somatic (I always seek possible mental causes of physical symptoms). So I kind of know what might be causing it.
So yeah, youâre right, itâs probably not physical worsening (hopefully!), but more like a signal of something that I am not doing right in my life, a signal of a limitation of mine. And now itâs time to start addressing it.
Haha, I do the same with the physical symptoms. Sounds like you’re confident and hands on about this!
Since then Iâve realized that I am worthy just because I exist, simply by having been born, and I donât need to do anything to prove my worth.
Juhuu, feels good to read that. Reminds me at Gabor MatĂ© I heard him say last week. Asking yourself if you’re good enough is the wrong question. Do you ask yourself if a tree is good enough or a Mounatin đ
However, I still have the need for achievement â not to prove myself to anybody, but to share my gifts and talents â to simply âshine my lightâ in a more deliberate way, if you will. So itâs kind of the need for self-expression and self-realization in one, you might say đ
Is it a way of giving love?
Okay, let me repeat it here again: you donât know what your contribution (to the world) should be, and you want to pray for clarity on that.
My comment to that: how about listening within to what you want to offer to the world, rather than listening âwithoutâ (to a higher power to tell you)?
I belief in the way things are and so far haven’t met a higher power. It can be frustrating to know things you’d like to do and not being able to do them. I think praying can really help me to be an antidote to feeling helpless. Then I can pray for finding way’s to do what I want to do with joy. To overcome my obstacles in times of despair.
It sounds like if you donât do things others expect from you (or you believe they expect), you fear that the person might feel rejected, and it causes you pain. And you feel helpless because you donât want to hurt them, but at the same time, you donât want to do it either. So you are conflicted. You feel ambivalence, and perhaps you freeze in that neither-nor state, not wanting to do it, but not able to reject it either. Am I interpreting this right?
Thanks for sharing this observation. What you write is very close to how I feel. Yeah, this impulse confuses me and it is a challenge to bear. What I do is to let go which takes some time and control.
It sounds like a healthy thing: to allow yourself time and space to flourish, not judging yourself, not rushing yourself, but being like a good parent, or a good friend, to yourself.
It feels good to read that đ
March 29, 2024 at 12:04 pm #430333beniParticipantHi Roberta,
and yet you say feel pressurized by what you perceive as others expectations of you. Each of us has their own timescale/speed that also changes from circumstances/perception.
This was shown clearly to me today & I had to laugh at myself or rather my egoâs hypocrisy. I take my father out for a drive nearly everyday and he gets anxious if I drive faster than he likes, so we normally do 20mph, today we were behind two others cars and I felt impatience arise until I looked at the speedo we were doing 20mph! even as I was writing this the words dawdle and stuck came into my mental narrative ha ha ego trying once again to cause suffering even when retelling such a minor story.
Haha, yeahh in the end we do not know. I tell myself this over and over. Sometime I’m happy when people show up late or the opposite. If I get you right the point you make is that you wouldn’t drive faster anyway and the cars in front of you where annoying till you noticed your going already max speed. Good you’re laughing about it, why not have some fun.
I’m impressed you take the time every day to take your Dad for a ride.
Thanks, you too đ
March 29, 2024 at 5:29 am #430320beniParticipantHi Tee,
Thatâs okay if you donât respond when you donât feel like it. No pressure. I am sorry you got sick â is it something like the flu?
Thanks, I need to hear this over and over. Mhh, I wonder I actually am sick once a month an now since 3 weeks. Feeling exhausted, last week rather stiff, ill and headache this week more a cold, less dizzy. I wanna try omega-3 and Vitamin D maybe that helps.
I am again worse with regard to my back â it started hurting for apparent reason, without any wrong move, so I am perplexed. Not really panicking like last year, but itâs not a good feeling to go through it again, because I thought Iâve reached a certain state, where I was more resilient and more stable. But apparently not :\
Do I get you right, you put more stress on your back like exercise and now it started hurting? I can Imagine that you feel vulnerable and helpless cause what you did seemed to have less impact. Maybe it is something like a flashback and you are more resilient and stable than you think.
Well, it would be a positive contribution for the world, on a small scale of course, within my sphere of influence.
In a course in miracles they say that the valuation does not matter rather how it feels. I like that.
Is it rather that you wanna see yourself in a certain role in life doing a certain action to validate your existence?You want to pray to know what you need to do? Like, you donât know what your contribution (to the world) should be, and you want to pray for clarity on that? Sorry if I misunderstood youâŠ
Yes, that’s it. Thanks for trying.
Ah, it sounds like you believe people have expectations on you, they want you to do something, and you feel pressured by it, and you donât like it. (BTW there are no expectations from my side, so as far as I am concerned, please donât feel pressured to reply).
I think expectation is a small part. If someone does not reply on a forum or the phone within a time it’s easy to feel rejected. It’s already special for our systems to communicate without seeing or hearing. And I noticed that for me it’s hard to accept that my action is maybe not the cause but reminds a person at her vulnerability. My system sees danger if I do not take action I can get into ambivalence then.
Okay, so you feel comfortable doing things at your own pace, in your own time, when you feel like it, not when someone tells you to do it, right? Is it related to your family and the expectations they have from you? Or other peopleâs expectations as well?
Thanks for asking Tee. Yes I do things in my pace, time and feel. It is like being a child and I think I need this type of space to flourish.
March 26, 2024 at 3:14 pm #430194beniParticipantHi Tee,
You mean you wrote a reply 2 weeks ago, but never posted it? Because you felt some resentment or discomfort? Youâre welcome to tell me more, if youâd like toâŠ
Jap, I felt disconnected. I have day’s or times where I retreat into myself and I struggle to reach out. It feels like a stone on my heart, it’s harder to give love and share/show myself and also I got and still am sick :-/
Hmm, Iâll have a sense of accomplishment of something that is important to me. You know the Maslow hierarchy of needs? I feel accomplishing this goal would meet my need for self-realization. Maybe I am wrong, but this is how I feel đ
And Iâll know that Iâve met it, because there are some concrete milestones Iâd like to achieveâŠ
Yes, I know it. Are you saying that you wanna reach this goal cause it expresses values you want to see in the world?
Oh interesting⊠so praying for you feels like not talking to anyone, whereas speaking to your inner child feels like talking to someone?
Yeah, this is exactly how it feels. Praying feels bigger.
You mean that when you pray for something, you feel youâre attached to the outcome? And it gives you a feeling that something is wrong or missing in how things are right now? And when you let go of that attachment, when you just patiently wait and trust that it will happen, then it does happen eventually?
I think/feel praying is without attachment to the outcome. It’s not easy to put in words. I’d say it’s knowing while not knowing how/what at least in the beginning. I think that’s why it’s helpful to differentiate needs from the strategies to meet the need. I wanna pray for the need.
Let me see if I understood you correctly: so your experience is that when you patiently wait, things work out by themselves? And so youâre not motivated to take action?
Can you give me an example (if you feel comfortable) of a situation where things just worked out by themselves, without you needing to take any action?
I feel like I wanna take action and do this and that and that it will have severe impact on my life if I do not take this action.
Yeah, like I wanted to reply here and my mind was like now, now, now you have to do it. It can be painful to not do things. I feel helpless. It’s hard for me to let people wait. I usually know my things I don’t forget.
Anyhow I figured if I really wanna do it I will do it. I’ll do it without effort but I have to wait for it. Often I can’t do it any other way it’s just too painful.March 26, 2024 at 2:15 pm #430186beniParticipantMy pathway meets blocks every day
I see so many problems
but my mindâs the only one
thatâs got themIf I change how I see my way
All my problems will be gone today
Cause a miracle is hiding in every dark corner
And thereâs a divine light that shines the dark away
And if I wish to see that light with my own eyes,
Well the highest in me shows me how, well it tries.All this dark is just in my mind â illusion
Cause every problem already got a solution
Everything is already okay
Lifeâs a miracle in every way
Thereâs a divine light that shines the dark away
I just got to shine bright to see the lightâŠthe lyrics can also be found here on page 40 (same as 51 of the pdf): https://cdn0030.qrcodechimp.com/qr/PROD/63de5c0bef59a6b6430443b7/fm/mantras_for_miracles_full_song_book_a5_x2_compressed.pdf
yeah, the song makes me smile inside
March 26, 2024 at 1:50 pm #430187beniParticipantHi Roberta,
Thank’s it’s reminding me at what I can control and gives strength.
March 24, 2024 at 9:17 am #428946beniParticipantDear Tee,
I reply late, sometimes I get in to this mode where I do not reach out to people. I replied already two weeks ago and I didn’t like where ther reply came from and it took till now as it’s changing again.
Is it only related to physical pain (you mentioned sweet pain after you fall), or in general, in your life, when you are out of sync with your being, that you feel emotionally tense and heavy (no lightness)?
It’s a general thing.
Yes, to reach the goals which are aligned with my inner being, with who I am. Not someone elseâs goals, but my own.
Maybe you feel comfortable to reply this question: ‘What do you imagine happens when you meet your career goal and how do you know you met it?’
What do you think about this approach?
I forgot to pray lately, I think when I come out of the energy that there needs to be change, that there is something wrong or missing rather than I whish this and this happens and not beeing attached to the outcome it feels natural. There’s much patience endurance involved and sometimes I doubt it.
Talking to our subconscious is another aspect of solving the problem,
I feel your’re right it feels different. Two weeks a go I thought it’s the same. It feels rather like speaking to a person and praying doesn’t feel like talking to anyone or thing
And another big part of solving the problem is the plan of action â daily activities to support our goal. This is what actually brings us closer to our goal. Talking about it and understanding it is not enough. We need action.
Makes sense how can we reach a goal when wo do not move in it’s direction taking the steps, we need to be very clear what our goals are and why we need it. This kinda triggers me cause I struggle to take action mucho. I do not know how so I patiently wait and things work out too and I take action too it is just is so slow.
I like this approach about problems: https://aylalove.bandcamp.com/track/problems-are-solutions-in-disguise-2
March 7, 2024 at 12:03 pm #428467beniParticipantHi Tee,
I understand. Would you like to say a bit more about this pain? (only if you want to share)
It’s kinda as soon as I’m out of sync with my being whatever I do feels painful or tense. There’s no lightness. If I’m in touch pain is not so painful it’s rather light pain or sweet pain.
For me, inner power is the ability to achieve what I want, to reach my goals (mostly career related), and to keep working towards it, in spite of obstacles. I get discouraged very easily and donât have that persistence and commitment to see it through.
But inner power can include many other things, like standing up for yourself (which you mentioned), assertiveness, setting boundaries etc. But for me, itâs mostly the desire to achieve more and have a sense of accomplishment with regard to my career.
Aha, I think I understand. Basically to reach our inner worldly life goals. Somebody once told me we can’t do anything but pray. Which I understand as, we can’t do anything conscious but talk to our subconscious. I think and feel it’s a healthy perspective to act out of.
What do you think about this approach?
March 4, 2024 at 2:07 am #428352beniParticipantHey Tee,
Cool! Does it help at all (in case you took it)?
I don’t know.
And maybe thatâs why you prefer to listen to your body and track the pain, rather than give up some of those movements altogether? Like, you want to hear and follow your own inner voice, rather than some outer voice (doctor) telling you what to do?
Yeah, I want to follow my inner voice. Everything else is overhead, it feels kinda painful.
For me, it is connecting to my inner power.
I wonder what you mean by that or how you experience inner power.
March 2, 2024 at 11:17 am #428320beniParticipantHi Tee,
Thanks for your reply.
Have you tried taking vitamin B6? Iâve tried it when I felt tension in my nerve, and it helped.
Yes, I actually bought a supplement once I read it from you and noticed that the Magnesium I take has it too.
Oh I see, so you didnât even want an injection because you were afraid you wonât feel the pain and then youâd overdo yourself. This means you didnât really want to minimize the pain â you wanted to feel it, so that it guides you. I assumed the opposite â that you minimized it so you can keep skating. I apologize for that â that was my false assumption.
Yeah exactly.
What Iâve learned (based on the teachings of Drs Sarno, Schubiner, Hanscom etc) is that pain (specially chronic pain) depends on the way we perceive danger. Pain is created in the brain, based on the impulses we receive from the body, but also the level of danger we perceive.
If we believe that a movement is dangerous/unsafe, we will feel more pain, because pain is the brainâs alarm to stop doing that what is dangerous. If we believe that the movement is safe, we will feel less pain.
Before Iâve learned this, every time Iâd accidentally make a wrong move and started feeling pain, I would panic and fear that Iâve messed it up and wouldnât be able to recover from it. I perceived danger from every âless than perfectâ movement. And thatâs what increased the pain and made me worry even more. That mental anguish and worry was actually very exhausting, it wasnât good for my mental health at all.
So Iâve learned to accept that not every less-than-perfect move is dangerous, and this made me much more relaxed about feeling pain. Because I know that in a few days Iâll be back to normal again, and that I havenât messed it up irreversibly.
Thank’s for sharing your insight. I think it backs the expirience I make.
There’s one thing I think about. I think it can be psychosomatic too. There is this saying in german:’She/He has no backbone’. It’s when someone does not standup for himself. I imagine that as language evolved these sayings evolved. Why is the back chosen in the saying? I can imagine that people observed that certain people who are conditioned this way have weak backs. So this makes me wonder if the healing is reconnecting to myself. This is what my being is prioritizing more than doing exercises it seems to be the most important as soon I get the basic needs met.
But then as it wouldnât go away and it got worse (partly because I wasnât told I should be cautious), it really made me overly cautious and fearing my every move.
I think I can relate to this fear I try to move from fear to trust that what ever arises I can handle. The mind does not like that it wants to have control. It has nothing to do if it can’t worry.
February 29, 2024 at 2:09 pm #428280beniParticipantHi Tee,
Sorry for the late reply. I think I might be a bit defensive in part of the answer I hope that’s good enough.
How bad is it? They are some exercises for that too, if youâre not already doing them?
This I think is addressed with strengthening. I do hardly feel it, I think my lower back feels more unstable.
I see⊠maybe you tried to push yourself in those first 2 months, to get over it quickly, and thatâs why it sometimes hurt a lot, and it warranted an injection?
I did the injection because the doc told me the insurance might not pay. I was afraid that when I do not have pain I might overdo myself. That time I had very clear feedback from my body when I needed a break. Now it’s not so clear sometimes it’s activity sometimes mood.
Anyway, I feel I had to address it, because I think itâs an important topic⊠What do you think and feel about this?
I see your point, that’s why I ride ramps mostly they’re round you fall different you have less impact. It feels okay to do it. I use my body different than a year ago way more conscious. My mind worries about those things and I figured I need to learn from experience. This is somehow more important than taking perfect caution. I can’t change it by myself I so I accepted it for now.
I might have been projecting, because maybe you found a way to do those moves safely, so that they are less likely to cause you injury?
I use my body way more cautious these day’s way more soft and I take more breaks. Maybe that’s good enough.
May I ask how strong is this pain and how long it lasts?
It’s not really pain it’s more that my right leg feels a bit different (colder) and I have like a 1 in my back if it gets more I just stop.
I am sorry if my previous post contributed to your insecurity, by me âsidingâ with the doctors and telling you to do what âmakes the most senseâ, i.e. what is usually recommended for this type of injury.
Yeah, I kinda wanna let go of that cause it’s most times a combination between mood and physical activity or one of them. And if I’m honest I don’t know what it is and I noticed that I need to let go of these good/bad beliefs. Wrong movement that’s too easy to say.
I think this is what is what inspired me to handle it this way:
A friend told me that he was allergic to apples for most of his life cause his grandma told him when he was coughing:’ Oh, you must be allergic to apples’. I think what we belief can make a big difference and we need to be careful what we let in our minds.
A Neuro-Surgeon told me that it’s hard for doctor’s to know if what they did helped or if it was placebo. And he’s researching this.
I did some mistakes in the beginning when I had it. I just went working on the construction site the day after and at the end of the day I couldn’t walk straight. I hear that you did a small move and had big impact which makes you very cautious. I think this is how we are conditioned mostly. Because you had this experience you can be that cautious.
Take care, Beni!
I do đ
February 27, 2024 at 1:16 am #428179beniParticipantHi Tee,
ah, it’s called sliding vertebra it’s a different thing and has a very similar latin name aand yes I mixed it up. đ
My pain wasnât so unbearable that I would need a cortisol injection
Mine either the doctor pushed me to do it after 2 Months. I needed the insurance money. Hard to say how much in numbers it was. It was very dependent on my mood and other needs and how I could meet them.
Yeah, the bigger the distance between the load and your core, the bigger the stress on your spine. I can do much less physical work, even house work, than before, and thatâs something I am not happy about either :/
I noticed that too, it’s affecting me rather on the ‘I can’t ride rails in the snowpark every day’ and ‘I don’t feel like jumping stairs with the skateboard level’. If I can accept it it’s easy. I get it that it’s peanuts too not being able to ski at all and needing more breaks during housework.
Yeah, donât push yourself. Every trainer who has experience with spinal injury will tell you not to push yourself. Maybe a little, till the pain is 3-4, but never beyond that, because thatâs when the inflammation starts and youâre doing yourself more harm than good.
Thanks, it’s good to have read that. It will support my future decisions.
Yeah.. but do be careful with certain moves though. Are you still skating?
Yes, mostly small half pipes. Many of the movement’s I do some doctors would not approve. I actually think it’s a bit more resilient or that I get used to feeling it.
So now when it hurts, it hurts on both sides, though more on the left.
Do you have more outward rotation on one side? (while laying and looking at the feet one small toe is closer to the ground usually)
Another question how would you differ chronic and non-chronic pain?
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