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MattParticipant
Sapna,
I’m sorry for your suffering, dear sister, and can understand your “split” or the feeling of being happy with yourself, but fearful when you connect. Sometimes when we’re recovering from codependency habits we can feel like we’re happy and strong alone or in surface level friendships, but having to hold back the need to grab on and latch on to others. This is normal, usual and heals with time and a little effort. A few things came to heart as I read your words.
Consider that you’ve had many years of the old patterns, where you neglected yourself, sacrificed yourself. This has perhaps lead you to mistrust yourself. If you had been in an abusive relationship with a man, then consider how the next man would scare you. “Will he abuse me too?” “Are all men the same? Violent? Neglectful?”. Here though, perhaps it isn’t the other that scares you, but yourself. “Can I love and express myself without falling into codependency?”
The answer, sadly, is yes and no. Because you’re still settling old patterns of neglect, learning to love yourself completely, the feeling of being “safe” in your own skin and heart is slow growing. That’s normal, dear sister, it takes time. Consider perhaps that you’re scared of your codependency, and so try to avoid situations or relationships that might endanger you, that might cause the latching on, losing yourself again.
That’s just fear, and can settle with time, as you begin to trust yourself again. Consider that you might latch, but that you know what to do if that happens. Self nurture, accepting your light grows only when you grow it… not because of his love or their laughter or someone tells you that you’re good or funny or loved. Sapna, loving yourself is a journey of loving and accepting the whole picture. Perhaps because of the sticky and painful experiences, you’re still angry with yourself, which pushes the mistrust. For instance “How could I be so stupid to act codependently?” or “Sure, people like the happy me, but the sad me has no space in their heart, and therefore deserves no space in mine.” All normal stuff to be happening, not a big deal, not broken… just limping. 🙂
Consider the solution is what you’ve already been doing (but neglecting a little perhaps with all the attention and bustle of friendships and laughter). Deepen your care of Sapna, dear sister. Don’t blame yourself for your patterns, don’t be harsh with yourself. Be kind, be gentle, be tender. Even with your codependency, even with your history. You’ve been through the worst of it, dear friend, because now you have strong nurturing skills, so even if you do latch and get all bedazzled by the connections, any crash will be met by your tender hands.
That being said, recovering from codependency isn’t about having no needs, not having hopes and dreams of what a relationship means, or being unwilling or unable to ask your friends and partner for help, attention and caring. Instead, its taking time to self nurture, do your best, and if you need some comfort in his arms or in their heart, to ask for it. The main issue with codependency, in my opinion, isn’t the latching and chaos. Its the fear we have that others only love us for our strength, and so we become scared to express our needs and desires.
Being strong isn’t having no needs, no fears… strength is having them, and talking about them, asking for a hug when we need a hug, a meal when we need a meal. It only turns codependent when we feel so unvalued and unheard that we burst, and need that hug right now or we’ll explode. Perhaps we sit there “i need a hug, i need a hug, i need a hug” in the mind, but are afraid to express it out loud, so instead of asking, then patiently waiting for our hug, we begin bashing and thrashing when someone doesn’t have the hug we need right that second. That’s when we get back in the tub, put on some music, and let our bodies relax.
Finally, consider that there is no such thing as the happy personality vs the codependent personality. Instead, when you are feeling nourished, stable, perhaps you feel happy. When things are scary, when you feel vulnerable, when you are trying to speak the things that come to heart… its more slippery for you, more wild. That’s normal, friend, and settles with time. Its all you, sapna, from grime to sparkle, warmth and coldness, and its all OK, lovable, and there is space in our hearts to embrace you as is. Consider that your codependency patterns don’t make you less lovable to yourself or others, less deserving…. it only makes it feel that way.
So keep walking, smiling and crying. Your emotions are beautiful, don’t be afraid of them! Just tend your needs, ask for help when you need it, be authentic… and with time you’ll figure out balance. I believe in you, Sapna, do you?
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantChiranjit,
Consider that perhaps she doesn’t say those things back because she doesn’t want to. For what reason, be it fear of sharing or lack of feeling, is the question. Perhaps because you proudly exclaim how powerful your love is, you might not be giving her the space she needs to figure out where she is. Consider instead, just explore with her. Share your appreciation, sure, but not as “I love you, please love me back”, but “I really enjoyed the way you saw that, chose that path, said what you said.” These are the sun and rain that help whatever is blossoming on her side find the space it takes to figure out how she feels, and what she wants to do with those feelings.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantPrakhar,
To let go of the grudges takes time, and it is beautiful that you can see how its hurting your heart. That’s a huge first step. Consider how many times you’ve done things unskillfully, out of ignorance and negative thinking. She is the same. She taunts you because she is a fool, just like you. Doing and saying things that aren’t loving, because she doesn’t know how that hurts you and her. And, its not your place to teacher her. Instead, it is your place to forgive her for her actions. This isn’t because of something she deserves, but as you sigh and accept that she acts like a bitch sometimes for who knows why, you can be free from resentment. The metta meditation will help you with this if you keep at it. The grudge a mountain that erodes with your patient effort to be free.
Good luck, brother, may your journey blossom with hope and light.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantPrakhar,
Sometimes going alone is because we are strong enough to overcome what we have in front of us. Sometimes it is because we are scared of what we will find.
I wish to be gentle, but you’re caught in the mud, and perhaps need a little stick to get you moving. You are ignorant, which is normal, and you don’t know how this whole bag of beans works. You do not make fantasy come true by typing it out, that is wrong, ignorant, and foolish. The fear is normal, the reasoning understandable, but it is still wrong.
What it does do is cause negative fixation. Consider that you could be in a beautiful field of rich blossoms and lush fruit, and perhaps you would look for and find the one rotten fruit, bite into it, and then cry to the world that the garden is spoiled. “See? Proof. I’m broken, the world broken, all is wrong.” Nope. Foolish. Incorrect. You’re only grabbing onto the pain, squeezing it, cherishing it. This is not unusual, people do that often, and you can overcome this. There is always a path to joy.
Consider instead of breath meditation, which might be agitating to your sense of fear, consider switching to a metta practice. When your mind spins, (which it is doing a lot, obviously to me, and seemingly obvious to you) you deplete your energy. Metta helps to reclaim that energy, because it powerfully smooths out the mind, making the grabbing at pain less strong, the cycles in your brain less pulling. Consider searching YouTube for “guided metta meditation” and try a few. Your pain is not forever, dear brother, you’re just feeling hopeless. That is fine, usual, and normal, and it is up to you to stand up and take better care of your tender mind.
Also, perhaps reconsider looking for a doctor to help. If the problem is chemical, they can help. If its emotional, they can help. If its psychological, they can help. It might take a few tries, a few doctors before you find one that suits you, but its worth it. We all need a hand, from time to time, and strength isn’t just walking alone, enduring. Its also realizing when we need help, and having the courage to find it.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantPrakhar,
I’m sorry for your suffering, dear brother. It seems to be that these various fears you have come forward quite often. Consider that the ocd and gcd and whatknot push your mind into negative thinking. You’re really creative, inventing fantasy after fantasy with your fears. And, sadly, sometimes those fantasies come true. The fantasies perhaps are trying to prepare you for the worst, protect your tender heart from the unknown. However, the fantasies aren’t helping you, just distracting you. Much like a broken clock is right twice a day (if you remember clocks with hands 🙂 ), sometimes our fantasies do come true. A few things came to heart as I read your words.
Consider that your brain is caught in a cycle of negative grasping, or “looking for the bad”. That’s normal, and many people do that. Consider reading up on “positive self talk”, there is a lot of information on Google that may help. Also, have you shared your mental habits with a trusted doctor? Have they given you exercises or things to do? Medication? Allergy testing? (My son had “ocd” that turned out to be an allergy to red food dye). Instead of focusing on the girl, or the number 3, or whatever else springs into and clogs your brain, consider stepping aside, seeing the habits, and saying “OK, what do I do with this intense mind of mine?”
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantAnna,
I enjoy your question, and can understand the difficulty. The root of your question is perhaps “how can I have desire, without attaching to it?”. How can we dream, but keep our dreams soft and flexible, so that whatever happens doesn’t agitate us, cause us to suffer, minimize disappointment.
The way one of my teachers answered this to me was in a story. When he and his wife were repainting their bedroom, he wanted blue walls. That was his hope, his dream. When he offered his hope to his wife, she said “I really want yellow”. Now, his hope was well grounded, not expecting that it will be just so, that the room will be blue. Its just his preference, not a need. Just a color that seems right to him, not a rigid, demanding “I will go to war over that color, I will fight and struggle to see it my way.” It was soft, fluid, “I would love to have blue, but won’t go to war to see that happen.”
Much like if we have the hope of eating waffles, so we go to a waffle house. The more “waffles, waffles, I’m gonna eat waffles!” that happens before you get there, the more agitation comes up when we find out the place is closed. So we hope and dream, plant seed of intention, but remain knowing that the blossoming of the seed is dependent on many factors. The sun, the rain, the seed, the wife’s desire, the waffle house being open. So we know to stay fluid, patient, waiting to see if the conditions are right, supportive.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantAlso, don’t be afraid to ask him to nurture you. “Ok buddy, you helped make this mess, would you mind helping it settle? Rub my shoulders? Feet? Help me relax, and feel well loved?”
MattParticipantNoelle,
I’m sorry for your sorrow, and know how difficult our emotions can be at times. I agree with the wisdom of healing the sadness first, before trying to figure out what to do. That sadness clouds our feelings, making many of our thoughts and actions befuddled. A few things came to heart as I read your words.
Consider that much of the time, healing begins with forgiveness. He acted selfishly, making big changes in both of your lives without inviting you to share. Perhaps you fear/assume that means “he doesn’t love me, not really… otherwise, how could he do that? Choose to move away? Not even ask?”. However, consider that there are forces inside us that compete with our love. On his side, there are perhaps many needs: being a provider, being respected by his peers, a stable plan and so forth. And then, the feelings he has for you. They compete inside him, with pressure. The same is true within you. For instance, you could have said “great! Let’s move”. Instead, different forces were competing, much like his.
Ideally, those all get put on the table between you two, so you can find a plan where you are both happiest. This is what you forgive. “For whatever reasons you did this action, I forgive you. For whatever reasons I reacted this way, I forgive myself. May we accept what is here, now, and find our path of love together from here.”
Finally, consider doing some self nurturing, such as being kind and gentle to yourself. Consider taking a bath with candles and salts, listening to some soft music, or whatever helps your body and mind find peace, rest, relax. Approaching what to next will be a bit of a puzzle, so before trying to figure that out, consider just letting yourself heal for awhile. Come to acceptance, if you can, of his choices… just let it be, settle.
If it keeps bringing up all the pain and sorrow with it, such as “the thought of him making that decision fills me with ick”, consider taking up a metta meditation practice. Metta is the feeling of loving warmth inside us, and helps our body and mind find peace and smoothness. For instance, you do want good things for him, wish him to find his way, and can understand why he could be a knucklehead about it… so why not explore what drove him to be a doofus? To make the choice, and in that way. But, to explore that without getting sad or angry requires warm feelings, stableness, and wanting both of you to find happiness. Metta meditation is the practice of wishing ourselves and others well, which brings that warmth to our heart. Consider searching YouTube for “Sharon Salzburg guided metta meditation” if interested.
Then, after you’re feeling better, rested, figuring out what to do next will be more simple. Does he care? Are you not a priority? Is he like Alf was with his partner, and trying to build a life with you at the expense of not living with you now? Your heart will know when the pain has healed. You’re brighter than you think, dear sister.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantThank you for the kind words, Marie, and you’re welcome! 🙂
MattParticipantM T,
I’m sorry for your suffering, dear sister, and know how confusing and painful the path can become. Sometimes when we get to a difficult hurdle, we throw our hands in the air and give up, “just tell me what to do!!”. And, of course, its never that easy… because part of your beauty is your uniqueness, and each path of joy is similarly unique. Said differently, what to do next is between you and your heart. A few things came to heart as I read your words.
Consider that your relationship with him has some difficult challenges. That anger, shame and confusion stands between you and feeling safe with him, and sounds like it would take a long time to settle. Plus, the goal at the end of that path is a boyfriend that may or may not heal, be interested in you at all, or ever learn to give back. Even as you describe your warmth for him, empathy, a hug, it doesn’t sound like the awe and wonder of a romantic love.
Perhaps then, a lot of your desire to reconnect with him has to do with something else. Often its loneliness, such as an aching agitation for connection, which is a very normal part of grief. The solution is perhaps not what you want to hear, but its time, patience, and self nurturing. Lots of self nurturing. Perhaps take a bath with candles, go for a walk in nature, listen to soft music… surround yourself with the space to cry, heal, scream and let go. (Consider searching youtube for “sharon salzburg guided metta meditation” for a great nurturing activity.) Over time, your heart will heal, and what to do next will be more obvious. For instance, if you are very thirsty, a depressed dude holding a glass of mud might look like a prince with the best water ever. Self nurturing is how we refill our own cup, quench our thirst, so when/if we do end up talking to our ex again, we do so from strength and clarity.
Then the question is much easier to answer. Is it a cup of mud? Was it your mud the whole time? Do you want to share your clear water, in hopes he will grow? Want to say no thanks and find different person to share your time with? Its your canvas, my dear sister, its OK to paint it the way you want it. Just remember that people grow in their own time, and its not fair to demand they grow for us. That just leads to many complications and judgments on both sides. Its better to partner with someone that wants to grow with us, because then needs don’t have to become demands, because they’re met freely and often.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantTulips,
It sounds more like mutual combat than abuse, but the lines of war are often blurry. When you were lying there with him, what caused you to lash out? What is the deep resentment that entangles you?
I agree that counselling is a great idea. You both sound like you could use some help communicating and accepting, as well as disagreeing without violence. Also, consider reading (also an audio book) Thich Nhat Hahn’s “True Love: A Practice for Opening the Heart” or Pema Chodron’s “Don’t Bite the Hook”. Both are beautiful and full of deep insight into intimacy, connection, and compassion.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantI am,
I’m sorry for your pain, and can understand why her words hurt your feelings. Consider that when you cheered her misfortune, she was perhaps hurt/embarrassed and so poked at you for awhile. Imagine, perhaps, if you had kicked her in the shin, she might grumble and mutter about you being an ass as she limps around.
Perhaps an interesting question to explore would be “why was the game so important that losing 2 spaces and some banter caused hurt feelings?” Her “just teasing” is a load of crap, she was poking. Consider that an apology would require her to acknowledge her hurt feelings, which she might be scared to do. Sometimes people confuse strength with always being right/stable/etc, so to admit hurt feelings means weakness, vulnerability, danger. Consider your hoping for an apology is asking more than you think! Even though you do deserve one of course, she could certainly have been nicer. Good luck!
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantMarie,
I’m sorry for your anxiety, and understand how insecurities can take control of our brain and send us on a wild goose chase of fantasy and pain. Sometimes when we have a general feeling of “unsafe” or “uprooted” (such as being away from home, long distance relationships, learning a lot of dense or complicated materials) our anxiety can grab on to our creativity and begin painting in dark hues. This is normal and usual, and is not difficult to untangle, but does take some effort. A few things came to heart as I read your words.
Its awesome that you see “the latching”, because that really is at the root of it. Often we think that the external circumstances are the source of our spinning, but most of the time its internal, in the grasping, latching.
For example, imagine you are in a wide open field with your boyfriend. The sun is shining, flowers blooming, birds chirping. You two are simply exploring, dancing, laughing, spinning in circles, and stop and sit down for a minute to rest. Out of the corner of your eye, you see a butterfly, and get up and dart off to investigate. The butterfly lands on your hand, and you turn to show your boyfriend, and laugh because he didn’t follow you, and is still sitting, relaxing.
In a different situation, imagine you and your boyfriend are walking down a crowded street. Car horns are blaring, people are bustling, sky is stormy. Suddenly, you hear a loud bang, and reach for your boyfriend’s hand, but its not there. Immediate panic flashes, and you turn and see him standing right there… he just didn’t notice your hand.
In the two examples, there was a reach from you to him. One, from a place of curiosity and wonder, you reached out wanting to share the beauty of the butterfly. The other, you reached out from a place of fear, wanting to feel secure, safe, home. In this way, connecting with our partner can be a sharing or a securing. Said differently, when you are feeling secure and safe, curious in an open field, the “not there” or “missed reach” isn’t met with panic, its met with patience, acceptance. When insecure, its no wonder that its met with panic. If, for instance, after the loud bang, you had to wait hours and hours to find out why his hand wasn’t there, how many dark fantasies can your creativity paint in the meantime?
The solution is again simple, but takes effort. We cultivate the field inside us. Said differently, the feeling of insecurity comes from being out of tune with our senses, so we bring our attention back to them. Sometimes it appears as though the environment is producing our anxiety, but that’s only our senses picking up new and unusual things, people, and places, and producing fantasy from our fears and hopes. So, when beginning to cycle with dark fantasies, consider “This is just the unknown” and move your attention back to your senses, specifically the feeling of breath in your body. The air moving past the nostrils, deep in the cavity behind the eyes, or the rising and falling of the abdomen… letting the fantasies come up, but just as ripples, nothing to do with them, just notice their empty nature and move back to the feeling of breath.
Proactivly, if you can spare a few minutes in the morning, consider starting a metta meditation practice. Metta is the sense or feeling of loving and warm friendship, and is much like a “field of wildflowers” for the heart. As we practice metta, we envision good things for ourselves and others, and this helps our mind become smooth and peaceful. This will help the fantasies have less gravity or pull, as well as wake up the playful, bouncy girl that has been a little swamped by stress.
Finally, don’t be ashamed of your insecurities, fears or confusion. Buddha taught that we have a fundamental ignorance on how to find the path of balance and joy, and so failure and fear very naturally arise for almost all of us as we bumble and grow our garden. Yours is already quite vibrant and beautiful, dear sister, so there’s no need for “what is wrong with me?!?” Nothing is wrong with you that isn’t a problem for almost everyone. 🙂
Namaste, sister, may your life blossom with peace and patience.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantMz,
I’m sorry for your suffering, and can understand how alone we sometimes feel, especially when we’ve lost a loved one. I’m sorry for your loss, and hope your grief heals with time. Don’t despair, dear sister, you’re not alone, and thank you for reaching out. A few things came to heart as I read your words.
Consider just how much of your strength is being consumed by that man. You feel low, lost, alone, and from some reserve of strength, summon the courage to reach out to him. “Will you love me, comfort me?” And his “of course not, you’re unlovable”. What a terrible and undeserved rebuke! His response has nothing to do with you, there is something wrong with that guy. Not only are you simply, easily lovable, but his response is so devoid of compassion or kindness its actually astounding!
This reaching out to him and being rejected is turning your self esteem to shit. Consider what might grow if you reached out to someone that was caring. Here on tinybuddha is great, but often there are mom’s groups and other social support systems that can help, too. Lots of people care, dear sister, it just sometimes takes some effort to find them. But, if you stopped reaching for him, think of all the strength you’d save! Plenty enough, is my bet, to find your way.
Said differently, it sounds like you offer your hand out to him, and he to chops it off, and says you deserve to be chopped. Then, you regrow you hand, offer it again, hoping you deserve kindness this time. And he chops it off. In my assessment, he’s feeding off you, eating your hand, or whatever. Said differently, it sounds like he builds his self confidence by pummeling yours, feeling powerful as you cower. Run, sister, that’s no good.
Finally, consider spending a little time regrowing the light inside you. You’ve been through some terrible storms, and its no wonder your light feels dim. Regrowing the light, or finding the strength to heal, is done through self nurturing. Take a bath with candles, listen to soft music, go for a walk, or whatever hobbies or actions that helps provide space and peace to your tender heart. One of my favorites is loving kindness meditation, which really helps the mind become smooth, and the heart radiant. Consider searching “Sharon Salzburg guided metta meditation” if interested. Even once a day for a week could help a lot, especially if you can do it in the morning.
Good luck, sister. For what its worth, I’m rooting for you! May your light shine and bring happiness to you and your children.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantJonathan,
My wife is in sales, and I’ve watched her have to find the balance between making a sale, and trying to connect people to tools and innovations they actually need. Said differently, sales can be about connecting and mutually fulfilling needs, such as you making sales that are about the client, where their needs are met by your product or service. The other is more pushy, moving product, saving up for the toy, and whatnot. My wife has found that surrendering into the former produces a strong sense of fulfillment for her, and getting distracted by the he later produces the void.
If you’re already committed to the client needs, and not pushy or quota-ey, then perhaps your heart just wants to give even more. Consider charity work, being a mentor, or some other way of giving back to the world. My teacher said that generocity brings joy, and perhaps looking for ways to be generous would help.
Finally, its plausible that the void is some other need going unmet. Do you self nurture? Is your relationship to your partner/children/family secure and joyous? Do you spend time playing, having fun and laughing? Eat healthy? Sometime we think we have a big existential crisis in front of us, when all we need is more vitamin B, or whatnot.
With warmth,
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