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MattParticipant
Maureen,
I’m sorry for your suffering, and know how alone we can feel, how empty. When you say “I am unlovable”, I hear “I have difficulty loving” or “I am unable to feel love”. Being “unlovable” is total bullshit, or else the folks here at TB wouldn’t be able to love you. And we do. š
I love Irene’s suggestion to put your hand on your heart and speak tenderly to yourself. The belief “I am unlovable” erodes quite wonderfully when we patiently, tenderly, take our heart in our hands and whisper sweet words of comfort and solace. After all, until you love yourself, until you open that wonderful heart of yours, show yourself how beautiful and caring you can be, how could you ever patiently help someone learn to love you properly, in the way you wish to be treated? How could you place your hand on their heart, patiently speaking whispers of tenderness to them in the way they wish to be treated?
*hugs* to you, sis, I wish you could see how beautiful you really are.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantIrene,
What you’re experiencing is normal, natural, and part of growing. We don’t suddenly just realize and become free, graduate, rather its a process of erosion, weeding, envisioning, and replanting.
My teacher explained this in terms of meditation. We notice our unkempt mind, so we sit in meditation, come to a place of inner peace, then get up. Maybe for 5 minutes we have that peace, before the world seems to pull us away, mind becoming unkempt again. Next time, maybe 15 minutes before it does. Even when our inner peace lasts the whole day, and we don’t feel unkempt, we still go the cushion. Normal, natural, and we just keep going back to the cushion.
Said differently, its normal for pain to move us to seek health. Then, as the pain erodes, our focus of on health erodes. At some point we get tired of that game, and just keep growing our health even when we are happy. We don’t just meditate when its rainy, using meditation as an antacid for an upset mind… rather, we become proactive, as a matter of routine and upkeep and because we deserve it, we go to the cushion rain or shine. Like eating raw vegetables consistently, because we know the fiber helps us digest and the nutrients nourish our body, rather than waiting until we feel fat, have heartburn, diarrhea, and so forth.
Learning happens when we don’t grab the cookies, even when we feel the “mmmmmm, tasty” to grab them. Nope, grab some carrots, feeling the joy of it now and later, rather than “yum” now and “ooof” later. š Graduation, to me, is when we don’t feel any habitual drive to eat the cookies, and eat cookies or carrots based on what feels right in that moment, finding our balance between celebration and nourishment.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantWow90,
I’ve had lots of experience with energy healing, across many different traditions and views. Out of the box healing or in the box healing, fortuitous blossoming arises from our own effort and sweat. No “easy way out”. š However, consider trying some local yoga classes. If you can bring your body into alignment, in the present moment, then perhaps you can find a good stable inner ground to make untangling “history baggage” from “where am I acting foolishly” much simpler.
Said differently, energy healing can help you find self love, which helps in doing spring cleaning. What to simply let go of, what needs to be relearned, reparented, and so forth. The healing still has to come from within, though… the ship turns from continued captaining the wheel. š
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantCyd,
There is a difference between having loving kindness in the heart for someone, and romantically yearning for them. You’re welcome to keep that romantic affection aimed at her, but it may never blossom on her side, may never come back. When we find a partner that shares our yearning, does aim toward us, the energy isn’t draining, its uplifting. If she knows, and isn’t ready or interested, how long does your heart wish to wait and see? There are lots of people that would be interested in growing closer with you, but when you hold her so closely, there’s no room for them. Its up to you what you wish to do. Is she worth it?
As a friend, is she giving? Does she make space to hear your stories, give you hugs, laugh alongside your jokes? She could be unintentionally feeding your “attentive eye” if you two stay on her side most of the time. Like, she let’s you come over and weed her garden for her, help her wash her feet, but then stands up and walks away, back to what she finds important, alluring… forgetting/ignoring “giving back”.
Said differently, its plausible that your romantic feelings are leaving you drained, just a lot of hope and dreaming trying to pause. Its also plausible that you’re feeling drained because she’s letting you bathe her in tenderness, then sending you on your way. If that’s the case,consider cutting the ties, little by little, and turn that tenderness on your own home, that’s where its needed. That’s where you’ll have the strength, energy, and self respect to find a friend/partner that gives back.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantDiego,
I have had a tantric teacher, and we never had sex… and it certainly had nothing to do with polyamory.
Consider joining her, like taking the class together. The best way to approach fear is head on, in my opinion, and right now, perhaps you’re jumping to conclusions without any information. At worst, you’ll find out you’re not interested and move on, and at best, you could find your love life a lot more sparkly, with a partner that is enthusiastic about it.
Any reasons you don’t want to take the classes with her, whatever she’s aiming at? If she’s interested, why aren’t you?
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantCaitlyn,
It sounds like you’re having difficulty trusting him. So its like a nagging fear that doesn’t go away, a fly buzzing in your ear, all sorts of fantasies playing out of “what might be happening on his side”, many of them painful. If he had earned your trust, why would there be fear? If its envy, such as mad he’s having fun and you’re feeling stressed, well, that’s yours. Both of you deserve fun. š
Consider that the stress alongside wounded trust isn’t really “yours”, such as “Caitlyn has an issue”, rather, the relationship has bruised trust, and stress is a result. Fear of what has happened that isn’t being said sometimes clouds up things, distracts us, like a bunch of balls juggled. “What’s really happening there?” The anger is a natural bloom when being squished by a situation like a LDR with trust issues.
Building that trust has to happen on both sides. Both partners have to come to the plate, be there, honest, heartfelt, and patient. If he can’t? Move on. You deserve someone that does, in my opinion. Just remember that patience and trust grow hand in hand, such as him giving you the time to grow trusting, and you giving him the time to grow trustworthy/honest.
Finally, consider that the “mystery of the camp boyfriend” can demand a lot of attention, and its important not to get too drawn in and neglect finding your own happiness. Make sure you’re self nurturing, eating well, resting, and so forth. The heat of anger often is sparked by “its just too much”, which lessens as we take the time to unwind, relax, find comfort. My favorite of these is metta meditation. By getting in the habit of thinking friendly thoughts, our bodies get in the habit of feeling friendly feelings. Consider “Sharon Salzberg guided metta meditation” on YouTube, if interested. Or, consider hopping in a tub with candles, listening to soft music, walking in nature… anything that helps relax, let go of the agitation, and so forth.
Also, I agree with Kandi’s heartfelt advice for the heart to heart. Its good to get the cards out on the table. Consider a strategy of staying on your side, such as “I want, think, feel…” rather than “You don’t…” Good luck!
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantEcho,
I’m sorry for your suffering, and know the fear and pain that we’re left with after being abused, and how hopeless we can feel. Don’t despair, dear sister, there is a way to rebuild, and once we hit a few hurdles, the path before us opens up, begins to shine, and our appreciation for blue skies helps us to let go, forgive, and be done with the past. Move on, regrow, and so on. But you’re right, the question is how? Throwing our hands up in the air is one thing, but what comes next? What do we do? A few things came to heart as I read your words.
Forgiveness is a double edged sword, sometimes. If we forgive without understanding, without “breaking free”, often it cankers, shows up again. Its like trying to let the situation steamroll us into acceptance, and the rock rolls around the old wheel of time and flattens us again. And again. The solution, forgive them, sure, but at a distance. Its never too late to fight them off, toss them in prison, let them sort out their bullshit where they can’t do us or others more harm.
The emotional equivalent to this is silencing the injustice, casting them off us. Once we are in a stronger place, “our place”, we can forgive the whole of it.
Consider to be free, perhaps you could use a hand, need a boost. Try what worked for me: “They made a terrible deposit onto me, and fucked up their only job. To show me love, and help me find my way. Instead, they poked and prodded, ignored, turned away, judged, used me selfishly. What. The. Fuck. How could they? How dare they! Gone! Off me! Your tendrils don’t belong, FUCK OFF.” Envisioning them blasting off me, flying across the room, mamma bear roaring in righteous fire, protecting her sacred spaces, her garden. Punch pillows, screech, jump up and down, thrash around. Get it out, gone, be done. Give it back to momma, let the earth absorb our sorrow, pain, anger alongside us.
Then we can move into self forgiveness. Accept that we don’t wish to be angry people, don’t wish to fight, don’t wish to hurt anyone, hold it in or hold back. Dont want to endanger ourselves in any way. Rather, we wish to be kind to ourselves, gentle, patient. Gratitude for momma bear, our goddess energy, helping us defend our space, but not wishing her to begrudge all of human kind, because there really are a lot, a lot of loving people. Lots of hearts and huggers, stumbling along like us, trying to do the right thing, have a little loving space, lend a hand, and share a laugh or cry with friends when we can.
As we go and look for that, walk in that general direction, we grow our little inner garden. Its ours and ours alone, and no one gets invited if we don’t want them in there. If we find a trespasser, momma bear will clean that up right quick. Be as gentle as you can, but as fiery as you need to be. Get them out. Its better for them, and better for you. She has claws and teeth, and not just to smile or look pretty. Ya know?
Practically, without metaphor, consider that when we are abused, its common to have leftover anger push us to see/think/feel “I’m weak, broken, flattened”. We can breathe alongside the anger, “not mine” their actions in our mind and heart, and let the anger go so it doesn’t canker. After we let it out, shuck their whole game, their BS, we can let it go more easily. Just not tending the thoughts, like we do in meditation. “Bah, we all have scars, and have given them. Not going to drag me down. May all living beings be happy.” For me, my past doesn’t bring me down, usually. Thoughts of my abuse, and abusers, like “yeah, I remember that one time way back when I stubbed my toe. Feet feel fine today, and are more sensitive, so why dwell?”
As far as the fear of our anger, consider that anger is a natural result of the injustice. Its already there, inspired, paused, waiting to be released. It like they squeezed you, and created heat, like physics. Its not yours, you don’t have to carry it. Give it back to them, its theirs. Its even better if we don’t even bother trying to speak or write or explain to them. Buddha said this is like trying to throw an ember, but we really only burn our own hand. Just in our heart, be free of it.
As the anger is released, the injustice heals in our heart, then we can shrug and accept that healthy people don’t do that kind of garbage… so “may they learn their lessons and be free of whatever pain surrounds their life too.” But not at our expense, let the earth figure out what to do with them. For us, we get to grow that tender garden, and it remains rich with strength and appreciation for a loving heart. Offered hugs mean a lot, and given hugs are genuine.
Finally, (and whew, *hugs*) consider finding a community. There are support groups, yoga classes, gardening clubs… all sorts of places where good hearted people get together. Consider exploring one, two, or more, and diving in. We don’t have to tell anyone our life story to be known, seen, but feel free to share, listen, or just be present with curiosity and do what feels right. Like eating at a buffet, little nibbles, and if momma bear starts growling, take a step back, “hmmm, what’s up with this?” Grace feels light, love is warm, and when we have platonic friendships, they should glow, not feel heavy. š
Namaste, dear sister, may your inner smile deepen, widen.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantDanielle,
Yes, that’s great, and you’re welcome! Sometimes we carry our past like a weight, such as sitting down on a road and wishing we had better days, crushed under a heavy gloom. If we can set down the past, even for a little while, goodness, today becomes that better day. We can look around, see the field for realsies, and wow! What a view! Why were we so caught up? That’s silly. Butterflies, flowers, wind across the grass, nature seeing itself through our eyes, loving itself through our heart. What a life!
Now, how do we clean that poop off the car? š Usually self nurturing is a great place to start. As we give our mind and body tender care, we help grow the happiness we’ve been looking for. š Maybe more bath time? Meditation? Walks in nature? Soft music? Yoga? These kinds of actions give us a clear, fresh perspective to approach our life as a curious puzzle.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantDanielle,
I’m sorry for your rut, and can understand how difficult it can be to remain rooted in a happy place when the world honks its horns and lists its demands. Buddha taught that its the fixation on the experiences themselves that bring the painful quality, such as pushing away the “painful” and trying to find the “pleasant”, “Danielle going to war to have this and not that.” As we learn to laugh at the ups and downs, the moon following the sun following the moon following the sun, we naturally move toward skillfulness, toward peace. Said differently, as we learn not to go to war, not to grasp and repel, we grow an authentic, resilient inner smile.
The story that comes to mind is of a beautiful little bird, delicate wings, colorful feathers, flying and doing its little birdie things. Maybe nibbling some grain, making a nest, and so forth. Beautiful, a wonderful little piece of nature. From a patient, appreciative space, its seen as a thread in a magnificent tapestry of life, the universe.
Now, say that pretty little bird lands on the hood of our car. Oh, what a blessing! How beautiful it is to visit us! Then, it poops on our car. “What the heck? You ugly little monster! Fly away, shoo vermin! Why do birds keep doing that? Is there a sign somewhere that says ‘dump on Danielle?!?'” Inside, the space collapsed… smile to a frown.
As we sit, rest with our experience of “me-bird-car-poop”, it comes as a natural idea “how do I stop birds from pooping on my car?” We can try, spend hours and hours researching, building a garage, protecting the car. Or, we can let it go. Accept that birds are beautiful, and they sometimes poop on the car, its nothing personal, part of their little birdie journey. “Clean hood” not as important as “clean Danielle”. Having a clean mind let’s us have a clean hood or a pooped on hood with the same smile. The bird, free and loved, doing its little birdie things, forgiven. Then, we can smile while we clean off the car, and don’t lose the smile from seeing the beautiful little birdie. Doesn’t collapse into “bird” and “my car” in conflict, no “vermin” feeling arising.
Said differently, more directly, the discomfort arises from the fixation on the negative, the way the mind clings to “what is here I dislike”, rather than smiling, accepting, cleaning it up, finding inner peace again. These roadblocks the universe keeps sending you, empty, fertile, perhaps helping you detach the outside from the inside. Learning to smile genuinely during rain makes smiling during sunshine all that much sweeter. Much like you’ve said, building strength… but rather than strength to overcome external roadblocks, such as protecting the car, consider that perhaps you’re growing the strength to be content, happy, come rain or shine. Then, the endless needs, worries, responsibilities, twists and turns… don’t pull us in, grab us, force us to abandon our smile. Why let them?
Namaste, sister, may raindrops and sunlight find Danielle smiling, blossoming.
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantAlpal,
Consider there are two pieces. One is the mystery, one is the dissatisfaction that there is a mystery. Said differently, who knows why your friend acts the way she does, people grow in different directions, uniquely aimed, and so forth. This doesn’t cause the dissatisfied feeling. Its just the unknown.
It seems like the dissatisfaction rises from grabbing onto her actions as though they are all about you. As though her responses mean that you need to change, grow, or know yourself better. “Why does she do that with me? Why is she not another way?” Getting answers to those questions often feels like it will bring peace, but they just bring more questions. Better to just let it go, in my opinion, and in the quiet space when your mind wanders, take the reigns and direct your attention toward forgiveness. “Whatever the causes for our rift, I forgive you and myself for those causes, may we be free and happy.” Then, her responses will perhaps not trouble you as much, not become about Apal and her beautiful journey. That’s when we can hug those that agitate us, not becoming an energy donor, but honoring our own heart by giving love when we can. As we walk away from the hug, even if they post a FB zing about us, its with a smile and nod and peace of heart.
With warmth,
MattAugust 4, 2014 at 3:57 pm in reply to: can someone define love and show how to love myself and others #62620MattParticipantRahel,
Its OK to feel like that with your mom, it doesn’t mean you’re bad. It makes sense that you wouldn’t have enough space to feel compassion for your vomiting mom. That’s part of what you’re looking for, right? To feel well enough that you have that space? That’s good enough! Its enough that it bothers you, that you’re reaching for love. So, try to drop the whole “rahel is bad” thought line, it is false. You’re a good person in pain, that’s it. š
As for your forgetting, yes, yes, that happens. We realize, forget, remember, try again, forget, realize, try again… over and over. It isn’t “launching the first time” that does it, rather, “getting back on the horse”. You forgot, OK. Now you remember. That’s the whole point of pain, to make you alert. Hooray, it worked, now… back to step 1, keep going.
I’m sorry that you feel embarrassed giving hugs. I used to, too. It gets easier with time. š Can you do something you’re embarrassed to do? Fake it and you’ll make it, learning along the way! Also, you dont need to worry about the thread length, it’ll be as long as it needs to be. We’re here for you, as best we can! Just honor our attention by doing your best, and that’ll be plenty. š
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantDifferences add spice, IMHO. As an older person dances with a younger, the differences in perspective keep things interesting. I think Inky hit the main drawbacks, but as far as getting along, its always dependent on the people. Is the gap in life experiences delightful or troubling? Does it keep both partners entertained, intrigued, on their toes? Does it keep both partners stepping on each other’s toes?
With warmth,
MattMattParticipantBlissful22,
Religion can certainly be a deal breaker, but it doesn’t have to be. It kind of depends on you. If you feel that he has a condemned soul because he isn’t a “god-fearing christian”, then it might throw up a lot of distance between you two. If you can see that God works magic through all of us, then overlooking the “atheist” label could be easy. Its not about what we believe, its about the love that flows through us into the kingdom. It reminds me of Abigail Chase from The Stand. Stu comes up to her and says “I don’t believe in God.” She laughs, and says “That doesn’t matter, because God believes in you.” Said differently, no matter what he believes, if love is with him, God is there.
Your mileage may vary, of course, because its between you and your heart, as its always been!
With warmth,
MattMattParticipant“If I were to list my vulnerabilities Iād need a sign saying Continued On Next Internet!”
Bravo, hilarious! Next internet… lol.
MattParticipantChelsea,
Giving up other people’s expectations is great! Its your life to live, and other people aren’t good at choosing our path for us, so don’t let them. š If you can find a balance between having lots of fun with helping people in your unique way, the sky is the limit. Too much focus on fun, money, stuff, and life gets dull. Too much focus on helping people, work, production, and life gets dull. Right in the center is Chelsea, smiling, dancing.
With warmth,
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