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  • #62576
    Blissful22
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    Hello all,

    I’ve recently been hit with something in my love life that I have absolutely no idea how do deal with it and thought maybe a few people here could offer some sound advice.

    To start from the top I have been single since 2010. Between 2010-2013 I was in college, I dated casually but nothing serious or long lasting. Since graduation I wasn’t really looking for love. I felt lonely yes, but I knew my life was going through a transition phase, moving back in with my parents, trying to save up so I could move away to where I wanted to live and so on. I didn’t think love was possible for me. It wasn’t until May of this year that I met someone who changed my opinion on the matter. In May I met a guy while I was buying a few grocery items to take a weekend trip I had been planning with my friends. He was charming and handsome so when he asked for my number I obliged. We dated for about 3 weeks. Yes, 3 weeks. Then after an incident where he wanted me to sleep with him and I wasn’t ready, as I said it had only been 3 weeks, he ultimately dropped me and we never spoke again.

    However, it was this ridiculously short romance that made me realize that perhaps I was ready for love and a relationship. I mean I felt so happy those 3 weeks before things went south. I missed having butterflies in my stomach over someone, the date nights, and the intimacy as far as small things like holding hands while we went for walks. After him I decided to get more active about my dating life, living in a small town now where I hardly know anyone I decided to try online dating in July. Within the first three days I met a great guy. He’s very smart, funny, ambitious, responsible, shows genuine interest in me and my life. Basically all the things I not only had been looking for, but I had prayed for. I consider myself to be a very spiritual person, so I had no problem getting down on my knees and praying for the right man to be brought into my life. We talked everyday throughout the month of July and spoke on the phone for hours almost every day. It seemed like the conversation would just flow effortlessly which isn’t so easy to come by these days. We recently, just the past weekend, decided to go on our first date together and it was great. Our connection was just as solid in person as it had been over the phone. I had a great time and couldn’t wait to see him again and I would say he felt the same way. However, last night as we were talking on the phone we had the “religion talk” and well, it wasn’t pretty. I identify myself as Christian and he’s… Atheist. I’ve always kept an open mind when it came to others and their beliefs, but then again I have never found myself wanting to be involved romantically with someone whose views were so different than mine. Suddenly I felt uncomfortable and unsure about someone who I had really started to like. I thought to myself, “This can’t be the man I prayed for because he wouldn’t be Atheist… right?”

    He told me that he would understand if I no longer wanted to see him, as this was often a deal breaker for many women he began to date. At the time I told him that I didn’t want to stop seeing him but I was unsure how I felt about it. I just don’t know if I could be more than friends with someone who doesn’t believe in something that I hold so near to my heart.

    Any advice?

    #62580
    Matt
    Participant

    Blissful22,

    Religion can certainly be a deal breaker, but it doesn’t have to be. It kind of depends on you. If you feel that he has a condemned soul because he isn’t a “god-fearing christian”, then it might throw up a lot of distance between you two. If you can see that God works magic through all of us, then overlooking the “atheist” label could be easy. Its not about what we believe, its about the love that flows through us into the kingdom. It reminds me of Abigail Chase from The Stand. Stu comes up to her and says “I don’t believe in God.” She laughs, and says “That doesn’t matter, because God believes in you.” Said differently, no matter what he believes, if love is with him, God is there.

    Your mileage may vary, of course, because its between you and your heart, as its always been!

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #62613
    Anonymous
    Participant

    I would take this day by day and see what happens. My feeling is that it is ultimately about acceptance. In the end I can accept anything and something like this can actually turn out to be very small if for example he is an Atheist that is more moral than a church-goer.

    #62621
    Inky
    Participant

    But in the New Testament they had this problem all the time. The takeaway was (and is) marry unbelievers for then there is a chance that they could find God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit through YOU! There is nothing wrong with that and in fact may be what God wants for you! Reread Acts and The Letters.

    #62627
    @Jasmine-3
    Participant

    Thanks everyone.


    @Blissful22

    What a blissful dilemma you face. Ha Ha. Your post put a huge smile on my face 🙂 Thanks for doing that.

    Religion, spirituality, atheism etc – their underlying basis is love for self and others. An atheist may not believe in God or Supernatural power but they do believe in something. Often it is self. How cool is that ? Someone who believes in self in already on the spiritual path, which may or may not lead through a specific religion. Spirituality is all about study of self if you do some home work. So if you call yourself spiritual and he is an atheist – what a great combination as you both believe in self.

    If an atheist doesn’t even believe in self or God, they often have an underlying fear of something. Then they need a lot of love, which you can give 🙂

    Either way, this doesn’t appear to be a deal breaker. Open your heart wide out and raise your consciousness. We are all one and beautiful and love / respect can ride any wave of dilemma or confusion.

    Best wishes,

    Jasmine

    #62665
    Will
    Participant

    “If an atheist doesn’t even believe in self or God, they often have an underlying fear of something. Then they need a lot of love, which you can give.”

    Excuse me? I’m an atheist. I’m not sure what you mean by ‘believing in self’, but as a student of Buddhism I take the doctrine of ‘not-self’ very seriously, and it wouldn’t be a stretch for me to say that no, I don’t believe in self. 😀 I don’t think fear underly these beliefs, it’s mostly down to intellectual inquiry.

    As for this wonderful man finding religion through you, I’m not sure you should gamble on that. It might happen. It might happen the other way around. I would advise giving it a shot and seeing if love conquers your differences, but actually, it might not. This could be a difficult relationship unless you are both willing to accept each other and your beliefs without resenting them.

    #62667
    Blissful22
    Participant

    Thanks to everyone for your thoughtful and insightful responses! They are all truly valued and have helped me to make my decision, which is just to take it day by day. Maybe we’ll be able to not let this difference have too much influence on our already strong connection. I’m going to follow my heart and just have faith that I will be supported with this decision.

    Thanks again everyone! 🙂

    #62669
    @Jasmine-3
    Participant

    @monklet

    Hi Will

    Thanks for your query. I think you may have misunderstood what I wrote. I will try to clarify 🙂

    Whose intelligence are you using ? Self or non-self ? I suspect it is Will’s intelligence, yeah ? So you obviously believe in yourself to use your intellectual powers for querying things. On another hand, if I didn’t believe in myself, I would be questioning myself and not the world, yeah ? Correct me if I am wrong. When I am questioning myself, what emotion am I using ? Fear or love ? Self doubt is a fear based emotion or love based emotion ?

    Who is Will ? Why are you a student of Buddhism if you didn’t believe in Will enough to pursue this religion ? Could it be to understand yourself better ? Could it be to understand something about Will and his / her purpose in this world and how to live in harmony with your nature ? Could it be to get closer to being a more loving Will ?

    I am not a Buddhist so I am not sure what doctrine you are referring to when you talk about “non-self”.

    Study of self (YOU, Will etc) and how you interact with the nature around forms a huge part of evolving. People choose to this evolving in different forms such as using an intellectual enquiry, religion, or being a student of Buddhism etc.

    Does this make more sense ?

    #62678
    Will
    Participant

    The intelligence I am using doesn’t belong to anyone. It is not mine, and it is certainly not ‘me’. It is a whole bunch of mental processes that take place within the body from which I experience the world, but these processes, this body, and this experience are not mine, are not ‘me’.

    Not-self is a tricky idea to wrap your head around, and interpretations of what the Buddha meant exactly vary, but to me it is mostly about not taking myself too seriously and being aware that I have a bias towards myself (seeing things from my perspective, assuming things are about me etc). I consider the natural idea/assumption that there is an unchanging, individual ‘me’ running my life and deciding what to do, think and say is incorrect. Intuitive, but incorrect.

    I know that’s not what you were talking about, so I was playing with words a little. 😀 Hearing more about how you see the hypothetical atheist who doesn’t believe in God or themselves is helpful though. I agree that self-doubt is a fear-related emotion. But I think there is a way to not believe in the self that has nothing to do with self-doubt, as I tried to describe above.

    My non-belief in myself and my non-belief in God are of the same nature. I don’t doubt God because I think he or she might not have the power to help me or the inclination to come through for me or I feel abandoned by God or anything like that. I just don’t think he or she exists. When it comes to the self, same thing.

    Sorry for the thread-hijack. I think your approach is sensible, Blissful, and I hope you guys work wonderfully together. <3

    #62682
    @Jasmine-3
    Participant

    Thanks @monklet Will

    Appreciate your insight. I understand the concept of “Me” that you describe and I have no confusion in my mind about the concept. Confusion arises when we do not get to experience it first hand and only have other people’s words or wisdom to go based on. I think we both need to go and meditate more he he he he

    I do not believe Blissful22 would be too worried about the hijack of this thread. All of us can learn from your wisdom and insight here.

    Nighty Nighty

    Jasmine

    #62773
    Sam
    Participant

    Hi Blissful22,

    This is a long post! Eek. But I identify with you so much and want to share with you my story, in case it may help you.

    I am a Christian, and I recently ended a relationship that was “unequally yoked”. I started dating someone who I met through my church community, and I made the incorrect assumption that he was also actively seeking God. As we dated, he cleared up that he isn’t “religious” or “spiritual,” (he was part of the church community for non-religious reasons). While I had my reservations, I convinced myself that we could get to know each other and respect each another’s faith journeys. I thought, “We connect so well, why not take the dive? Why is sharing our faith so important to a successful relationship, anyway?”. We fell in love, and I thought everything was fantastic.

    Eventually, it became very clear how I was pulling away from God to be with my boyfriend. I felt like I couldn’t share my prayer life with him. I felt like he didn’t “get it” or was rolling his eyes at Christian spirituality. I was living “in sin” with my boyfriend, and the conviction God placed on my heart grew stronger.. Even so, I wanted our relationship to work so badly.. I fell deeper and deeper in love with him, and I quietly shelved my worries about my spiritual growth.

    It wasn’t until we had a serious talk about raising a family that I started seeing how this was the wrong man for me. I told him that it was important for me to raise children knowing God and to have God as the center of my family’s life. If we’re to have children, it’s our responsibility as parents to be spiritual leaders and examples in their lives. Unfortunately, my boyfriend didn’t see eye-to-eye with me on that. That was the dealbreaker for me. It’s been so difficult letting the love of my life go, but the cost of my relationship with my boyfriend was my relationship with God. It was the most heart-breaking experience, but it came down to choosing God over the man I love. This was a big lesson to me about diving headfirst without careful consideration about what God wants versus what I want as immediate gratification.

    I desire to know God fully. If I am to be in a gospel relationship that honors God first instead of myself, my romantic partner and I should both be seeking God. Matching yourself with an atheist is a recipe for heartbreak. It breaks God’s heart not to be obedient to Him, and we must seek His will in dating and marriage. To do this, we must look at the Bible in context. When Christianity was in its infancy, people who were already married became Christians. These converts were troubled about their current marriage with non-Christians. Paul wrote about the salvation of a non-believer spouse through the believing spouse in order to deter recent converts from divorcing their non-believer spouse (1 Corinthians 7:14). He is very clear about not knowingly entering marriage with a non-believer (2 Corinthians 6:14), for their doubts may ultimately influence you and your children to turn away from God.

    Bottom line: It is not wrong to love others, regardless of belief systems. However, it is not a God-centered relationship if both parties aren’t seeking God. Also, it will be very difficult to rear children in the way that God intends us to (the husband = spiritual leader of the family). For Christians, the ultimate goal of dating is to get to know the other person as a potential marriage partner, and marriage is an act that should honor God above ourselves.

    #62875
    Blissful22
    Participant

    Hi Sam,

    It’s safe to say that your post is filled with a lot of what I am mostly afraid of… falling in love with someone who I ultimately could never raise a family with or move forward with in a meaningful way. Those are very real circumstances that could arise between our relationship. However, there is a part of me that is instinctively telling me to move forward. As a believer that God has a strong hand and influence on the things in my life, I feel that he has put this man in front of me. To find love or to test my faith, that I am not sure of in this moment. But what I will say is that this man doesn’t give me the “rolling his eyes” at my Christianity feeling at all. When we spoke about it he remained respectful and even if he was treading on territory I didn’t like I told him and he quickly and earnestly apologized. I think there is something to be said about him through that. What I’m trying to say is right now it doesn’t feel like I’m making a choice between the two, it feels more like I am letting go of fear and living in a vulnerable but honest place in search for love.

    I thank you so much for sharing your story with me and it has given me so much to think about. I would never want to feel as though I am risking my religion for a romantic relationship, and you have given me some ways to tell if I am and some guidance. I hope only the best for you.

    #62929
    Sam
    Participant

    Hi Blissful22,

    I will keep you in my prayers! I wanted to leave you with this article. I believe it has some great points of consideration for women like us who experienced/are dating a non-Christian: http://goodwomenproject.com/dating/he-didnt-love-jesus

    Take care, and feel free to message me if I can be of further help, even just to lift up prayers or to listen.

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