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  • #56851
    Jobebee
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    Hi

    my boyfriend and I have been together 3 and a half years and have been living together for 8 months. We have always had our ups and downs, but we have the same interests and both love being outdoors and busy. Anyway, recently we’ve been having lots of arguments about money, housework and sex. P (my boyfriend) earns a lot more than me and very nicely pays for most, if not all, things that we do/buy. I appreciate this very much as I couldn’t live the lifestyle I have now if he didn’t. However, as a consequence he thinks I should do all the housework-cleaning-washing etc whilst I’m working part time and at college. I have limited time and thus asked him if he would help out more around the house. He will not do so as he thinks it is my role and as he pays for everything I should do all the house work. He calls me selfish and spoilt. And in our last argument he said he would be better off hiring some hookers and a cleaner, it would be cheaper than me and they would show him more affection. At this point I would like to add that if I was at home more, I would happily do it all.

    I’m not sure whether I’m the one in the wrong? am I being selfish, or ungrateful? I feel bad when he uses this against me.

    Furthermore…

    We’ve had problems in our sex lives. I have an odd relationship with sex itself due to being abused as a child (I am okay about this, many years of counselling has helped immensely!) but sometimes I simply do not want to have it, and also I don’t like doing it late at night. He says I deprive him and show him no affection. I am not cold like this sounds. It makes me feel terrible, like he could do better, are other girls happy to do it whenever their partner wants to? even if they’re tired or not into it?
    When we talked about this last I explained to him that maybe if he made more of an effort in the bedroom (more romantic and silly strip teases or whatever) then I wouldn’t feel so much pressure to entertain him. He says he will not do any of those things.
    Due to my personal relationship with sex, I feel uncertain of what is normal concerning this issue.

    We’ve had arguments throughout the last three years too (I know that’s not normal)… they consist of housework again, women’s roles, my weight, his money and things we’ve both done and said… (just after last Christmas – before new years- he had sexual relations with a stripper and also about a year ago with a male friend of his). I’m not saying I’m perfect… I could do more housework, maybe complain less… but I’ve never been unfaithful.

    The hard thing is that I love him very much and I end up agreeing to whatever he says or thinks of me. And I have no idea where to go from here…

    Any advice, or thoughts would be very much appreciated. Thanks xxx

    #56859
    Susan
    Participant

    IT is great that you are looking at this carefully to see where you could improve or where you need to set a firm boundary.

    First, disagreements are normal. But it sounds like you are not communicating effectively with each other.
    What I mean by this statement is that you are each bringing up complaints, but not talking about your feelings around the complaints.

    Also, you are both seeing this as “his way” vs. “her way” rather than looking for “our way”.

    His unfaithfulness would be a red flag for me and would lead me to seek couples counseling to work on communicating and being more loving to each other.

    Life is too short to be in an unloving relationship. That doesn’t mean there won’t be sources of irritation and conflict. There usually is with two different human beings. But is the conflict/disagreement managed together, looking at both people and their feelings and always in a loving way?

    This work is not easy and must be done together in the context of a loving partnership. And may need the support of a counselor.

    Loving someone does not mean accepting their view of reality as your view.
    If he’s not willing to go to counseling, that says something about his commitment to the relationship. And I would suggest you seek a counselor to learn on your own how to have a more loving relationship.

    I particularly appreciate the work of Harville Hendrix.

    #56860
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Jobebee,

    Usually I would have a light hearted response. Or even a spiritual response. But all I have to say is:

    Move.

    Please, for the love of God(dess)(es), Move.

    You are not on audition to be his wife. You are his girlfriend. He wants to talk about roles? How about he should be wooing, courting, and being his best self trying to win you over. Not pick on you for his definition of “normal” sex and the dishes.

    If he was unfaithful to you, he has no leg to stand on in any arguments about housework. Ever. And what crazy STDs could he have brought home?

    I don’t care if he was the richest man in the world, the poorest, or if you were a super model or the fat woman in an old time circus. NO, this is NOT OK!

    You are a student. That is your job. Arguing about “Roles” you do with a pre-marriage councilor. If you’ll have him. I wouldn’t.

    I apologize to everyone for an “unskilled” response, I am so angry right now reading this.

    #56861
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    My goodness..how do you put up with that kind of bullshit in the name of love? And why the hell are you tolerating his unfaithfulness? Seriously, do you have no self-respect? You call this love? You think this man respects your needs? He cheats on you – says a hooker and a cleaning lady would be cheaper option than you and you put up with that kind of nonsense? Unacceptable. He doesnt respect you and you have zero respect for yourself. Are you happy with this person? Do you like the way your personal boundaries are being violated like this? This is emotional abuse love and you just cant seem to see it. Couples fight and disagree but they dont disrespect eachother like this. Are you so scared that you will never find a guy to love you that you will put with this asshole in the name of love? I am sorry for the rather extreme views but i have no tolerance for this kind of audacity. Isnt your life important? Arent your needs important too? Of course they are! You deserve to be loved, cherised and treated with respect – dont let this man destroy you.

    Go see a therapist please. This relationship is giving me too many red flag feelings.

    #56893
    Big blue
    Participant

    Hi Jobebee,

    From a guy’s viewpoint, please listen to the advice above. They are being blunt to jolt you out. I agree!!

    Sometimes relationships start out nice and then turn bad – maybe slowly enough that people don’t see it or just decide it’s easier to go along. With all respect, you need to acknowledge that you are in an abusive relationship. There is no way you should be treated this way. Get together with family or friends and move out.

    Also – seeing a therapist is a good idea, they will help you. Schools have therapists, I saw one once.

    Lastly, do things to accept yourself and build up your self image – you are just as worthy as everyone else!

    Big blue

    PS: having been there, it’s possible you will bargain – “I’ll stay as long he does not do [whatever].” This prolongs the unhealthy situation that you are clearly already in. Don’t wait for any next times.

    • This reply was modified 10 years, 6 months ago by Big blue.
    #56932
    Matt
    Participant

    Jobebee,

    Can you feel the anger mamma has shown in the previous posts? Trust that, you’re being treated unfairly. Consider that your boyfriend steps on the petals of his flower, and blames you for his life being empty of blossoms. Said differently, when we’re shown tenderness, we feel open enough to be passionate. His actions come across as controlling, angry, and addicted… so very naturally your passion for him lessens. It’s not from your abuse, not from your side at all. If he treated you kindly, your whole body would see him differently.

    I agree with the above posts… if he doesn’t grow, and fast, consider bailing. Better now when your esteem is shaken, than in 5 years when it’s gone. Right now, it sounds like his stress pushes him into power games, which have no space in a relationship. He’s basically throwing up his icky feelings at you, aimed sharply at your vulnerability, and you’re left holding the blame (inside both of you). This is bad for you both.

    Sometimes we find ourselves in situations that mimic previous experiences. This guy sounds like a chance for you to heal from the abuse more deeply. Consider, it’s ok to stand up and push him to grow. He may, and he may not. It’s ok to stand up and leave, I would. Inky would. Moongal would. But, this is your journey, dear sister, but whatever path you choose, just be sure to take a stand. Shake him off, by whatever means necessary. How do you control your rage at being treated in such a way? Just eat it as somehow deserved? Don’t let him define you like that. You deserve, need, tenderness. We all do. And we all deserve it, even if some others don’t know how to express it or give it.

    Finally, in troubled times we can’t always rely on another to give us the gentle touches we deserve. This makes finding good ways to self nurture very helpful. We remind our bodies of love, of warmth, of kindness… by being loving, warm and kind to ourselves. Take a bath with candles, go on a walk in nature, engage in a student group, or whatever helps you feel awake, inspired, and safe. My favorite is metta meditation. Metta is the feeling warm friendship in the chest area, and is much like our inner light. Stress dims it, but we can rekindle our inner spirit with some effort and patience. Consider “Sharon Salzburg guided metta meditation” on YouTube, if interested.

    Namaste, dear sister, may you find the strength to defend your home, your heart.

    With warmth,
    Matt

    #56937
    jack
    Participant

    In the first place in the buddhist attaches great importance to “karma”,
    Some conditions,
    Or interpreted as factors,
    Don’t I know your life,
    So I can’t give you some specific methods,
    But I can give you some buddhist aspects of common sense,
    The hope can help you,
    There’s a phrase in Buddhism is called
    Don’t cling to anything, (my English is not very good)
    Different people have different understanding,
    There is no right or wrong, only appropriate,
    I hope you find your wisdom in this sentence,
    You can take a look at this site, maybe some ideas can help to you, some articles can help to you,
    http://www.zenspeaking.com,
    One of the most important thing is, don’t give up hope, don’t go the wrong way,
    Have a widget from Tibet, perhaps can also help to you, in “zenspeaking”,
    Called “caca – Kurukulle”,
    Is one of the many monks blessing this pendant,
    Pendant has a strong force of blessing,
    And very suitable for your situation (of course, just a suggestion)
    I personally is very useful,
    If you need,
    When you wear it,
    Need to remember,
    Need to respect this pendant,
    (in Tibetan, everything has spiritual)
    Don’t put it in the filthy place,
    When you go to bed, shower, sex,
    Don’t wear, put it in clean place,
    And do good, help others more,
    A can of words, as much as meditation,
    If you can do this,
    The pendant blessing force will be more strong,
    Very magical,

    #56941
    Sanna
    Participant

    Dear friend,

    I do agree the answers above: it seems that what is missing in your relationship is true respect and admiration between the two of you – and eventually you must move on, because there is no way to get things on healthy bases it seems. That isn’t because either of you is a bad person or incapable to have a relationship – no. It is only because because both of you seem to have things you still need to work on on your own.

    The reason I’m writing is because I felt so much compassion to your story: it is so easy to say “no, that’s not healthy” or “don’t you have any self respect” – when the truth is we are all here in our path when it comes to growing up. I myself was closer to 30 than 20 when I finally started to realize what love is (or isn’t) – not to say respect towards to yourself or others.

    First of all: don’t blame yourself. You’ve found someone to grow with, and even though he doesn’t seem to be treating you the way anyone deserves to be treated (with respect), he obviously likes you (as being with you). What he’s blaming you on, though, (weight, cleaning, money etc.) reflects his inner problems instead of having anything to do with you.

    His actions and attitudes seem to tell the same: he is still lost in himself too – and that’s why he reflects his needs, fears and expectations to you instead of loving you (or himself!) with open heart. The lack of respect, too, is most often something we show to others when not being in touch with ourselves.

    We all start somewhere. And when not knowing ourselves, we start to find out who we are in a relation to others. Three years spent in this relationship have made you learn things – but in order to advance it seems important for you to move on. It does sound harsh, but I also did spent too much time in my first relationship – simply because I had nothing to compare it with. And when you have nothing to compare it with, I know it’s hard to say what is normal and what is not.

    What is sure though is (I believe strongly) is that you’re not able to have a good relationship as long as you haven’t learn to respect yourself. Some of us may have this ability from the beginning, but some of us are left to learn the lesson by ourselves. It’s no one to blame – we just all play with the cards in our hands.

    So please do gather your courage and take the step. You seem smart and goodhearted girl, and deserve all the respect, love and happiness in this life. I myself also learned to love by first loving others – just to realize, that all this love I was giving out eventually wasn’t authentic love, but a reflection of my needs. Good thing is it made me realize my needs of being loved, accepted and safe – and how I should find these things from myself before being able to live on other person’s side.

    Things look very different when being inside of a relationship compared to the perspective had when not. But I ensure you: no matter how much good there now seems to be in your life, it won’t look like that after having a distance anymore. You have a companion, who has said awful things to you and haven’t treated you with respect anyone deserves. This isn’t a healthy base for a relationship, and in time you will be able to see it too. There is no mr. rights we could find or loose: only teachers that will stay on our side the time needed to learn the lesson.

    You know having learned the lessons when you find yourself able to really choose the person you want to see on your side as equal companion – not just someone you need things from.

    You’re not his maid but your own, amazing person who should now concentrate on your studies and growing instead of cleaning his place for money.

    #56942
    J
    Participant

    You sound like me, expect I’m married to the guy. For a long time I did everything around the house and took care of my daughter, was working full time, bringing in equal amount of money to the house. Yet I had to do all the work!

    I don’t enjoy sex with him, never did. I don’t think I love him either (I don’t know!!!) and frankly I prefer him to be away rather than be home with him…not surprising, he had an affair with his colleague for about 3 years. I found out, he apologized and after a whole year of going back and forth with her and me, he’s finally left her…and convinced (forced) me to stay with him.
    He is changing, helping more in the house and with our daughter, but I’ve lost all respect and what little love I had for him. I can’t bring myself to enjoy sex with him, and while he used to get mad about it, he doesn’t any more, at least he doesn’t show it.
    We still have lots of arguments, and It’s always my fault and I am the one who ends up apologizing (whether it was my fault or not). He is controlling and manipulative.

    What you feel for your boyfriend is not love, just a comfort zone, being with him is familiar. He doesn’t love you nor respect you. Try to talk to him, if he doesn’t change, move out…Yes, easier said than done! I’m struggling with the same thing. Every time I make plans, decisions about moving out, then he starts flipping out, he would threaten to kill himself, stop eating, cry and make me feel so guilty, that I would give in and drop my plans.

    I feel your pain, be strong and write down what are the things you like about him, what you don’t. Talk to him, that’s the only way. Ultimately, you have a choice.

    #57216
    Jobebee
    Participant

    Wow thank you all so much for your advice. I wasn’t expecting such a great amount of feedback, what an amazing community.

    I have tried to take at least one point from all of your posts to think about and work on. Fundamentally, I do have low self esteem and have spent a lot of time on this in the past, and will continue to develop and work on for years to come (I do yoga, swimming and surfing really helps me). I think I am only still here through comfort, I do love him, but not in the same way I suppose. His personal comments have become too personal. Moongal I found your post hard and distressing to read, but I suppose that’s because you’re right on the money. And Sanna, Jack, big Blue, Inky and Matt thanks for your compassion, yet clear and obvious advice. It is obvious isn’t it, what I should do… when I read my post back (pretending it’s someone else) I know exactly what I would say to that person-pretty much what you have said to me.

    Aarti thank you so much for you’re post. You are such a strong woman to still be in this situation. I think we can both learn something from each other. I know I can’t say that much as we’re in a similar situation, but please do not waste anymore time with that man. He’s no man, he’s a manipulator. Let him stop eating for a bit etc, those actions are up to him, not you. Please be free and take your daughter with you. You both deserve better, so so so much better. And I’ll tell you what, I will try to do the same.

    I know what I want. The thought of staying with this guy makes me feel depressed and anxious. Don’t get me wrong he is an alright guy, very generous, but I definitely do not want to be here forever. I suppose that says a lot. It’s funny how something can be staring you in the face and it’s not until you go on a forum and have 9 emotive and insightful posts replies, until you see what’s happening. Thanks again. Jobebee.

    Thank you all again for your help. It’s up to me know.

    #57217
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Dear Jobebee,

    I am sorry that my words came out so harsh. Somehow, reading about your situation made me feel really upset. I felt anger at the way he spoke to you, treated you and felt worse that you were taking it.

    I know what its like when the heart is saying two contradictory things at once – the urge to stay because of what he was and the hope that perhaps you can just fix it, if you fix yourself…and then that struggling voice which asks you “what am i doing here? am i actually happy?”…sometimes we already know things but it takes a great deal of courage to act on them.

    And i apologize again for those seemingly personal attacks. I wish you good luck and i hope you find your strength to do what you think is best for you 🙂

    – Moon

    #57235
    Big blue
    Participant

    Dear Jobebee,

    You are doing very well processing all the thoughtful feedback. What you are going through is very hard, and as you can see there are answers for you.

    I’d like to add one other personal point of experience that may help you. When I became upset enough in an abusive relationship, that I was trying hard to make work, that I went to see a psychologist, within the first 5 minutes of meeting me, he asked, “What if you move out?” I did move out before the follow up session. Since then I have been single and over time I became more and more healthy and strong. It’s a journey for sure, but I would be in really bad shape had I not moved out. Just my story. Priceless to me. Take it for what it may or may not be worth to you.

    Big blue

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