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March 27, 2018 at 9:44 am #199699JerryParticipant
Hello everyone… first time poster here. I am currently a manager in the finance department of a large company. I got my bachelors degree in business/accounting several years ago, mainly because I felt it was a necessity to make more money for my family. However, I’ve discovered through years of working in business that I don’t enjoy it… at all. Before I got my degree I pondered over the various possibilities, such as going to school to further my passion for writing, studying psychology, and several other avenues I could’ve taken. I decided on business because I was already working in that field, and there are always finance jobs available. But now I am very unhappy, and wonder to myself what my purpose is in life. I have lost many of my passions, and feel little to no enjoyment with doing the things I used to love. I guess I just want to know what others would suggest I should do to regain a sense of purpose, or at least to find something that feels worthwhile. School is not really an option anymore – I am still paying off the debt from my degree. I can’t afford another go-around. Changing jobs isn’t really an option either, because I don’t think I’ll find a better or similar salary. I feel stuck… Thanks to everyone for reading.
March 27, 2018 at 9:51 am #199701AnonymousGuestDear Jerry:
You mentioned a passion for writing and a past interest to study psychology- what happened to your passion to write and what kind of writing were you passionate about?
What about psychology interested you before?
anita
March 27, 2018 at 10:03 am #199705JerryParticipantHi Anita,
I still write poetry a few times a week. However, I used to write stories and have lost the creative energy to do that much anymore. I feel incredibly drained after each work day, that expending energy to write doesn’t even really come to mind. With psychology I loved learning about the human mind – what makes us tick, why we do or think the things we do. But now most of my energy is used up during the day, and I have very little motivation to better myself anymore. Psychology would require more schooling, which I can’t afford.
J
March 27, 2018 at 11:04 am #199713AnonymousGuestDear Jerry:
Psychology doesn’t necessarily requires formal education. There is much to learn outside academia. Academic certificates are required for employment in the field of psychology, but the real learning, the intellectual and emotional learning is available everywhere anytime, free of charge. And it will serve you well in every area of life.
Just keep your eyes open and you will see a direction and a purpose even where they are not evident.
* If you would like to post a poem you wrote, I would love to read it and give you my thoughts and feelings triggered by your poem.
anita
March 27, 2018 at 1:05 pm #199733JerryParticipantThanks Anita, you have a point. I took one course in psychology and loved it. But I guess I’ve taken on the mentality that if it accomplishes nothing, why put effort into anything. So self-destructive, I know. I think my battle with depression really takes over more than I’d like it to.
As far as poetry, I’ll post one I wrote about an hour ago. My poetry seems rather dismal lately, because that’s the outlook I have right now. But it’s a very therapeutic way to express emotion, whether it be happiness or sadness. I guess I’ve just been feeling more of the latter lately.
Anyway, here’s the poem:
Another gray day
And I feel so far away
From everything I once enjoyed,
From the company with which I’m employed.
The joy in my heart feels dead
Just as my mind when I lay down for bed.
Don’t get me wrong
I have a million thoughts and a song
Swimming through my brain
At any moment just to keep sane.
But I can’t express them in words
For fear of being misheard,
And I’m tired of saying the same things
Especially when to my heart no joy it brings.
I just want to scream out
Everything I’m about
And have someone listen with anticipation
As my life runs through their imagination.
But is it worthy I wonder;
Will it matter even when I go under?
I want to leave an impression
More than just my depression.
I don’t want people to remember me
For all the pain and misery.
I’d rather they understand
That I was a conflicted man,
But my heart was always in the right place
Even if I could never keep pace.
But where to begin?
And what is my goal in the end?
Questions I have no answers to
But how I desperately wish to know the truth.
I guess it’s just part of life’s big mystery
That we all must form our own destiny,
Even though some of us may fall flat
And not have the will for another at bat.
In the end
I just want to comprehend
Why I’m here
And what I hold dear.
March 28, 2018 at 5:27 am #199783AnonymousGuestDearJerry:
The sound of your poem is very pleasing, the rhyming, it flows pleasantly into the ear and is pleasant to the brain. There is intelligence, wit to it that is also pleasing, ex.: I want to leave an impression- More than just my depression.
The content is fascinating. The problem as I see it is the big gap between the inside of you (“I have a million thoughts and a song-Swimming through my brain”) and the outside of you (nothing, really). All that is inside stays in the inside.
All that life in the inside wants out: “I just want to scream out-Everything I’m about”. And you want someone on the outside to “listen with anticipation”.
This leads me to think of a little boy using crayons and drawing circles on a paper, then showing it to a parent with pride: look what I did! look at what I created!
And if the boy is fortunate, the parent looks at it with a smile and some pleasure and says something: I like it. I like this blue here and that round line there…
The boy expressed what was inside him and someone on the outside recognized it for being something valuable, something good.
You need two things: to express what is inside you and for someone outside of you to value it.
I don’t know where to go from here. I hope you post again. I will probably have more thoughts and feelings when you do, and reply then.
anita
March 28, 2018 at 5:40 am #199785AnonymousGuest* More: there is no one outside of you that is seeing the inside of you, accepting it as valuable and interacting with it. There is nothing outside of you that is inviting the inside of you to be engaged with and involved with the outside.
anita
March 28, 2018 at 1:10 pm #199853JerryParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for your feedback. I do have a problem expressing myself to others. I think that amounts to a lot of grief when I feel like I need to keep things inside. I think one of my main difficulties in life has been interacting with others in deep, meaningful ways. And I long for that kind of interaction. However, I also find it terrifying at the same time.
J
March 29, 2018 at 2:48 am #199889AnonymousGuestDear Jerry:
Well, you can practice here, with me: interact with me in a deep, meaningful way. Although you cannot see me I am a real person typing these words, sitting with a computer in front of me, like you are as you read this. I am dependable, reliable, respond when I say (type, that is) that I will. I will not be aggressive with you in any way, so you are safe interacting with me.
For practice, that is. I know you need much more in your life outside the computer.
What scared you so in the past, when you did interact with people in deep meaningful ways?
anita
March 29, 2018 at 8:54 am #199953JerryParticipantThere have been several instances where I basically decided I’m not going to put myself out there anymore. For instance, I have had some bad breakups in the past, and the women sometimes completely betrayed my trust by using information I have told them about myself against me. Also, when I was in school I was not popular. My self-esteem was beat down quite often by other kids. I kept my mouth shut most days, choosing not to open up to people for fear that they would tell others. I can’t remember if there were other instances that contributed to this issue, but those are the primary causes.
Another part of the problem is even when prompted to interact in deep, meaningful ways, I freeze up and can’t think of anything to say. It seems that it must happen spontaneously or not at all sometimes. Other days it just flows out of me. I get so caught up in the effects of a long day at work, or even just in my mood at the time, that it’s often an obstacle for me mentally.
March 29, 2018 at 10:03 am #199979AnonymousGuestDear Jerry:
You wrote in your poem that your “heart was always in the right place”- I would like to know about that right place. I have ideas about what you may mean by it, but why assume when you can tell me, if you would like to.
You shared deep and meaningful things with girlfriends at the time, things that were honest and true to you. They betrayed your trust in them when they used what you told them against you, being aggressive that way.
I think that you freeze up at times because of that fear, to be betrayed again, to be attacked, experience aggression from others. Maybe at times you are too tired to experience that fear and “it just flows out of (you)”. The brain and body experiencing ongoing anxiety do take breaks.
Having experienced betrayal, there is no way to blindly trust again, like a young child does. Nor should a person blindly trust. Got to be selective. It is more about who you share with than what you share. Get to know a person over time before you share. And then, share gradually, a bit at a time and test the person.
Share more, anytime, bit by bit. I will not betray you, in my communication with you. I will not use what you share against you.
anita
March 29, 2018 at 12:45 pm #200001JerryParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks for your comments. When I wrote “my heart was in the right place,” it means I believe I am a good person at heart, even if I’ve done things to belie that image at times.
And yes, I still do have a huge fear of being judged or having my personal information used against me. It has happened numerous times, and each time destroys my trust a little bit more.
I am very selective about who I tell my feelings to. Even with people I trust though I tend to close that communication because I feel like a broken record, talking about similar feelings over and over. Just like my feelings over lack of purpose – that continues to bother me on a daily basis. Honestly, some days it completely consumes, me, and leaves me exhausted by the end of the day. I get home and can’t even speak much at all because I am so tired of the thoughts rattling around in my brain all day… it becomes difficult to want to say them out loud. And some thoughts I either want to keep to myself or don’t want to admit to. So when I’m asked what I’m thinking, I don’t even know where to begin.
March 29, 2018 at 12:57 pm #200009AnonymousGuestDear Jerry:
I will be back to the computer in about fifteen hours, will read your recent post when I am back and will reply then.
anita
March 30, 2018 at 3:38 am #200037AnonymousGuestDear Jerry:
You wrote in your original post: “I pondered over the various possibilities, such as going to school to further my passion for writing, studying psychology, and several other avenues I could’ve taken”, but you chose something else, you chose a “bachelors degree in business/accounting ..because I felt it was necessary to make more money for my family.”
You didn’t mention being married and having children, so I figure family is parents, siblings. Maybe grandparents, family-of-origin, that is.
Will it be correct then to say that you sacrificed your passions, your personal interests for the benefit of your family? If so, how is it working for them, are they benefiting?
Clearly, you are suffering from such sacrifice.
anita
March 30, 2018 at 8:29 am #200095JerryParticipantHi Anita,
I am actually married with kids. Back before I started school I was working at the same job for 10 years, but barely making enough to get us by. My wife was a stay at home mom, because daycare was too expensive for us to afford. I was really tired of constantly stressing about money, and I wanted to advance and actually have a career instead of just a “job.” So I thought and thought about it, considering the possibilities and how realistic each one was. I couldn’t imagine turning my writing hobby into a career that could sustain us. At the time I hadn’t learned anything about psychology, so that wasn’t even on my mind. I decided on business because there are business jobs pretty much everywhere you go, and some of them pay well. I was already in a job where business knowledge could possibly help me climb the ladder. So I bit the bullet and went into business classes. To be honest, I knew almost from the very start that I did not enjoy them at all. I got good grades, but still did not like the work. But I was determined to finish what I started. Even after I graduated and had advanced to the position I’m in now, I still do not enjoy business. It is far too rigid, inconsistent, and brings me no satisfaction. Maybe it’s the specific job I’m in… I’m not sure. Problem is they pay me a good salary, one I’m almost positive I cannot make at most other jobs. The main reason I got this job is because of my experience here, so if I move somewhere else I’ll likely take a large pay cut…one I cannot afford to take. We’ve thought about moving away, but again the pay cut looms in my mind, and I can’t imagine making less. So I feel completely stuck. My wife has recently started working again after many years of being home with the kids, which helps, but she is not satisfied with her job either. So we’re both unhappy, and feel powerless to change anything about that. I want to change careers, but can’t afford more student loans. I want to move away from where we live now, but can’t afford the cheaper economy in the areas we want to move. I’ve perused job ads many times, and it’s ludicrous how little some of these companies offer, even to candidates with degrees.
Sorry, rambled on a bit there. I’m feeling increasingly frustrated lately, because the demands on me at my job are starting to pile up, to near impossible levels, which is another story for another time… all I can say is I go home each day, feeling completely drained from stress and the emotions that roll around in my head throughout the day. And I feel like I have so little to offer my family at that point – that my stress is a downer to everyone in the family, but I can’t seem to shake it off.
I guess that’s it for now. Thank you for listening…
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