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  • #142105
    Carrie
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    Hello,

    I have had a terrible year. Everything was perfect at the beginning – I have a good job, relationship and an offer to study a master course at a top university. I got a year-off from my job and went for the studies. The first weeks left me shocked, with an urge to try to take some action I changed my study programme. Since I was not eating and hurting myself at the time, I did not trust myself in this decision and ´outsourced´it to others. Already when I was making the change I knew it was a wrong decision and that the new program was not for me. But I decided to listen to advice and give it a try, overcome my resistance. From then it only got worse, I hated every day, took calming pills to keep going, turned into a spiteful person. Several times I sat with myself and thought clearly – I needed to fix things. At the university they offered me to interrupt and restart my studies – in anything I´d like, keeping my scholarship. But I was undecided, fear of what others would think, fear of being a failure, not trusting myself again. I turned it down 2 times. When I finally came to conclusion that I could not keep going – the option was not available anymore. I lost the opportunity, all my savings and my boyfriend broke up with me (and he is completely justified given how I was behaving). I hate myself for not giving a try to something that felt right, for pushing too hard, for punishing myself. I sabotaged all opportunities for saving the situation and for succeeding. I feel I sabotagged my entire life – as I want to be an academic. I am getting professional help – but nothing helps really. Please help me – how can I stop harming myself in this way? How can I forgive myself?

    #142147
    Inky
    Participant

    Hi Carrie,

    Two thoughts are going on here which no longer serve you.

    1. You feel that you cannot trust yourself

    2. You believe in all or nothing thinking

    But get this: You CAN trust yourself AND the course you wanted wouldn’t necessarily be “all that” anyway. A paradox, I know! And the course you did take did have some value to it. You found out what you don’t like, and now you know even more what you do like. The “lost” savings? Think of it as an admission fee to the school of life. You learned that you need to trust yourself and that life is a winding trail, not a straight path.

    Sometimes I feel like I’ve lost years doing certain things, but I have found that Life has a way of Redeeming the Time. Something good will come out of this. You’ll see.

    Blessings,

    Inky

    #142155
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Carrie:

    In my effort to be helpful, I need to understand further:

    When you took a year off from work, to do the Master course, “the first weeks left (you) shocked”- why were you shocked; what was the distress about?

    Next, you changed your study program. You were not eating and “hurting (yourself) at the time”- how did you hurt yourself at the time?

    You “´outsourced´(the change of program) to others. Already when I was making the change I knew it was a wrong decision and that the new program was not for me. But I decided to listen to advice and give it a try, overcome my resistance.”-

    Who did you outsource the decision to?

    How long have you been outsourcing life choices instead of making your own; when did it start, in what circumstances?

    When you did make your own choices as a child, how were those choices received by your parents.?

    anita

    #142321
    Carrie
    Participant

    Thank you Inky! I guess you are right and you spotted the all or nothing thing definitely right! The perfectionism definitely stopped me from accepting a good enough option. On the benefits of my choice – well, its very very far away form what makes me tick… Do you have any advice on all or nothing thinking?

    Anita, – the first week was very shocking, because I made a 180 degrees change in my life, things were surprising, new city, loss of identity as a working person, distance relationship. I had a very specific idea of what I wanted to study, and the subject was not offered this year, I only found out when everything was set – I have already left the job and arranged living – so I arrived nervous knowing that I would need to make some adjustments and not knowing which direction to follow. I was inagining the return to studies as a time to slow down, instead the pace accelerated. I have never felt such an urge to run away from somewhere. I have never felt so confused in my life. I talked to everyone I could speak to – family, friends, new acquaintance, colleagues, strangers… I heard too many opinions and eventually, I followed advice of people who I didn´t even really know – fiends of fiends – who didn´t know me. They felt confident and calm and I though that they might be smarter, and that I might not be seeing things quite right, or I don´t really know what was I thinking.

    I think this is the first time that I did not really made my choice, or made it so much against my feelings or intution. I have made a couple of mistakes previously out of fear, but have never deliberately went into something that I knew wasn´t right for me. I just completely exempted myself form actively taking the steer. I can´t think of any previous instance that would be similar to what happened. As a child, I was given complete freedom. I could do whatever I wanted, and the only boundaries I had was the ones I have imposed on myself.

    Thank you for replying, it is the first time I´m posting something on a forum – the fact that someone replies is amazing!!!

    #142349
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Carrie:

    You are welcome. The situation in the new city was overwhelming to you and you did what people (and other animals) do when afraid- withdraw, shrink. In your case you withdraw your thinking faculties and relied on others.

    You wrote that as a child you were “given complete freedom” and you “could do whatever (you) wanted”- can you give a few examples of that?

    You wrote that the only boundaries you had, as a child, were the ones you imposed on yourself. Can you give a couple of examples of boundaries you imposed on yourself?

    anita

    #142391
    Carrie
    Participant

    Thank you Anita! For example, I could go out and stay until the time I wanted, even stay out for the night, while my friends would have to go back home at a set hour. Mostly I was happy about it, but occasionally it didn´t feel good and I thought my parents were not preoccupied by me, so I would invent an hour that I needed to be at home. I was not a problematic teenager so i don´t know what other boundaries to speak of, but for example I remember seeing my younger sister overusing alcohol and i was so mad at my partents that they were just as if nothing happened. And I think one other was of the respect – I remember my mother allowing me to speak to her in a very disrespectful way, at some point I was just checking how far could I go.

    #142395
    Carrie
    Participant

    i actually think this is exactly what happened this year – i was checking how far can I go

    #142397
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Carrie:

    You are welcome.

    You mentioned “stubborn self sabotage” in your title. I don’t see your experience in the new city as such. I think you panicked:

    a child needs reasonable limits. It is a necessary need, not optional. There is safety in limits, and safety for mental well being is necessary. A child can relax when knowing the limits, but without limits, the child is fearful, confused, lost.

    You were not given limits as a child, not adequately. So you grew up anxious. When your life is scheduled, you have a job, a relationship, your life is a certain way and you expect it to be the same the next day, that promotes a sense of safety. When you experience a life-circumstances change, like leaving the job, the place you lived and having that “180 degrees change”- the anxiety spiked and you froze (shrank, withdrew), like animals do when overwhelmed with anxiety.

    What do you think?

    anita

    #142403
    Carrie
    Participant

    I think you nailed it! There were too many option available, no boundaries, suddenly I could just do anything.

    Now, do you have any advice on how do I work it out from here?

    #142407
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Carrie:

    Yes, first, be aware, learn from this experience and avoid such 180 degree changes, or any changes that are too great for you to  be comfortable enough to withstand. Over time you can increase your comfort level with change, but it is an over a long time objective. Be aware and when you consider this or that change, think: this may be too much of a change for me. And minimize the change, make a change in one little area, not in two or more areas at the same time.

    Notice how you feel when confronted with change: anxious, confused, angry- all natural reactions. See to it that you don’t et your anger destroy relationships. Practice some self discipline in regard to the expressions of your anger.

    Basically, take the hand of the little-girl-Carrie and do for her what your parents didn’t- give her reasonable limits, boundaries, and hold her hand when moving through one little change at a time, stopping once in a while for a hug, a non-harmful distraction (hot tea, hot shower, a brisk walk, etc.)

    anita

    #142433
    Carrie
    Participant

    Dear Anita,

    Thank you. I think it s true and I have never realized it, but it is true that big changes impact me hugely and that I tend to panick. But ususally the inicial panick passess – either there are some people that I know to support me or, I make new friendships or I get immersed into an activity. This is good advice, thank you.

     

    #142445
    Carrie
    Participant

    One other thing that I thought of – Im quite emotional but intuitive and when I was a kid I would often be told by my parents that im overreacting, so at some point i did start to overreact to be taken seriously… And now i feel that 1. I sometimes do overreact esp to show others how i feel 2. I sometimes tell myself that im overreacting and not take my own feelings seriously when i should. Many articles here helped me a lot to differentiate between fear and intuition or selfishness and selfcare, but i still struggle with knowing where i should draw the line for myself. Do you have any advice on that? Or articles, books recommendation?

    #142473
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Carrie:

    As children we believe whatever our parents tell us. Your parents told you that you overreacted. But it was probably not true, most likely, it was NOT true. Most likely it was your parents who didn’t feel comfortable with emotions. It was them who … overreacted, who felt very uncomfortable when you expressed feelings appropriately.

    I believe you should take your feelings seriously. And act authentically, not pretend to feel what you don’t.

    Again, I don’t believe you sabotaged yourself (title of thread); you were scared. And I don’t believe you overreacted as a child; your parents did. Competent psychotherapy, even short term, can help.

    Post anytime.

    anita

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