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  • #170799
    Anonymous
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    Dear Christopher:

    In my effort to understand, I ask:

    You wrote that her mother lived with the two of you and your son for three years.

    When and why did she moved out?

    Did your relationship with her mother change recently?

    Did her mother’s feelings and attitude about you change recently?

    And finally, for now: did your wife’s relationship with her mother change recently?

    anita

    #170803
    Christopher
    Participant

    Hi Anita, thank you for your time. My mother in law has not moved out. In fact, they plan to rent their own place together while I live on my own once the house is sold. About a year ago, her mother verbally attacked me, called me a narcissist after I spent the summer caring for her, and regularly tells my wife things that belittle or assassinate my character. My wife has seemingly grown closer to her mother since her cancer diagnosis two years ago and I have become a third-party in many ways. It sometimes feels like it’s her mother’s world and we are just living it.

    #170807
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Christopher:

    Reads to me that your wife has been experiencing mixed loyalty- loyalty to her mother and loyalty to you. What changed recently is that her loyalty has finally made its final shift- and she is now completely loyal to her mother.

    Her in love feelings for you meant a betrayal of her possessive mother for some time. My thinking is that your wife’s distress has a lot to do with her relationship with her mother, starting in childhood. Fearing losing her mother to cancer and following her mother’s disapproval of you, she chose sides- her mother’s side.

    You wrote in your original post regarding her mother: “she accuses me of putting her in the middle of two people she loves”- being in the middle caused her lots of distress, eventually “killing” her in-love feelings for you. No longer in the middle is her solution, a relief of that distress.

    anita

    #170811
    Christopher
    Participant

    I agree with you, Anita. What can I do other than show her that I will love her no matter what? That I will be there for her no matter what?

    #170813
    Rox
    Participant

    Good morning Christopher,

    It truly breaks my heart to read your story. You seem like a calm and well spoken individual and I am sorry that you are going through all that. Nonetheless, you do need to respect your wife’s feelings and give her all the space that she needs( from the sounds of it, you are ready to do that). As hard as this may sound, focus on you and start doing things for yourself. You cannot convince someone to love you and never should you feel like you have too. In order for a relationship to function the way it ought to be, the two people in it must really want it! So if your wife wants to let go and you have done all you can to try to work things out, leave the rest to God! As cliché as this may sound ” everything does happen for a reason”. At this point, your son and his well being should become your priority as well as yourself. Focus on you and respect your wife’s wishes.

    I wish nothing but the best for you and may God give you strength to get through this tough episode in your life.

    All the best & stay strong.

    Rox

    #170827
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Christopher:

    I don’t think there is anything at all that you can do. She is living with her mother right now and plans to live with her mother in the future.

    You asked in your last post: “What can I do other than show her that I will love her no matter what? That I will be there for her no matter what?”

    Notice this: it is most likely that her mother expressed to her that she (the mother) will love your wife IF … and will be there for her if… her mother’s love is conditional, and your wife is filling in that condition. What you are offering her is unconditional love, no matter what, no ifs.

    Unfortunately, it is the conditional “love”, or love-like, that has the power over your wife.

    Her mother’s power over your wife has a long history- it is well imprinted in your wife’s brain. Only long-term healing, such as in intense psychotherapy (while not living with her mother and likely having minimal to no contact with her) can … slowly, gradually lead to a rewiring of the brain. Nothing that you can do.

    anita

    #170871
    Mia
    Participant

    Just wondering if she might have undiagnosed bipolar II. Just the depression and the wracking up expensive on credit cards could be a bit of an indicator of that. Bipolar II sufferers tend to want to end relationships when they are a bit manic, only to regret it later. Not sure if you noticed any hypomania (which again can be quite subtle).

    Those with Bipolar II tend to be more on the depressed side with only hypomanic states, so not so obvious.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 7 months ago by Mia.
    #170877
    Anonymous
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    Dear Christopher:

    I have more input and I hope you welcome it.

    You wrote in your original post: ” I am trying to be strong, do all the right things, but am so confused as to how we got this far so quickly… it does not ‘add up’ so to speak. Is this separation necessary?”

    There has been a live-in very damaging element in your marriage for three years and that is her mother. You wrote that her mother  has “never giving us any space to be ourselves or create everyday intimacy…interfere with our lives… become a third parent to our son…regularly tells my wife things that belittle or assassinate my character…. I have become a third-party in many ways. It sometimes feels like it’s her mother’s world and we are just living it”- three years of that is not a “so quickly” of a deterioration of a marriage.

    Your reaction to this very damaging element: “I have tried to support and honor her mother, caring for her”- you supported the damaging element in your marriage. The response of the damaging element was to further the damage and lead the marriage to divorce.

    Your wife “does not think her mother is an issue or at least will not address it” but her mother is the issue, as you said, “it’s her mother’s world and we are just living it”-

    You are soon to move out of the house, your future ex wife will move to a place with her mother and your son. My suggestion is that you do focus on co-parenting your son best you can, be a good father, attentive, loving. Accept the ending of the marriage as the gradual process that it has clearly been happening for three years. Learn best you can from the experience, and make the best out of what you learn.

    anita

    #170887
    Christopher
    Participant

    I appreciate all of your feedback. While I do not believe that my wife has bipolar, she does have depression and an eating disorder, which can be related to her relationship with her mother and other things. I know that there is a very real possibility of divorce in our future and my heart is slowly beginning to surrender to this. However, I will never give up on my wife, best friend, and life partner. It is hard to listen to her admit that her biggest issue in general has been unable to speak up or talk about difficult things in life, not just our relationship, and she is focusing on that in therapy. Last night she told me that she needs a separation to process so many things beyond our relationship and to find out if the love she had for me is truly dead. So I will love her by respecting her wishes, but still loving her without expecting her to feel differently. I will focus on being a light in my son’s life and become a better man on my own.

    #170949
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Christopher:

    I think it is healthy on your part, that your “heart is slowly beginning to surrender to this (reality of a possible divorce)”.

    I hope your wife overcomes her difficulty “to speak up or talk about difficult things in life”, that she does so in therapy and with others, you included.

    Regarding her stated need for a separation from you to figure things out, I think she needs a separation from her mother as well.

    Keep that “focus on being a light in (your) son’s life and become a better man”, and post again, anytime.

    anita

     

    #171317
    dreaming715
    Participant

    I’m sorry to read about your circumstances and would like to share a little advice of my own. I was in a relationship for 5 and a half years and the person I considered the love of my life blind-sided me with the news that he didn’t want to be together anymore. As difficult as this loss was, I can say that I came out the other side. My first step was realizing that I couldn’t “make” him feel a certain way about me. I had to practice a lot of “radical acceptance” (google this term- it’s helped me a lot). Also, when I thought about it rationally, I didn’t want to be in a non-reciprocal relationship. So, I let go. I let him have his space and started to make arrangements for myself. I treated myself to new, nice bedding. I found a new place in a neighborhood across from a park that I loved. After roughly 10 months he actually came around and started talking about getting back together.

    Sometimes this happens, sometimes it doesn’t. In my case, I made the decision that our time had passed and I wanted to continue the process of letting go and moving on. This may sound heartbreaking and sad, but I turned to the forums of Tiny Buddha a lot and the advice people gave me was: let go; every single thing in life changes- and sometimes these changes bring us to a path that is happy and fulfilling in the end.

    • This reply was modified 7 years, 6 months ago by dreaming715.
    #171699
    Christopher
    Participant

    I appreciate everybody’s feedback and advice. Right now, my wife and I spend our weekdays at our jobs (teacher for me; nurse for her), spending some evening time with our four year-old before he goes to bed, then chatting and perhaps watching a tv show in before heading to our bed. There has been no physical touch for six weeks because she says it makes her “shut down and pushes her even further away” so I am respecting that.

    On the weekends, however, we both are choosing to generally spend our time together and things are wonderful for the most part: lots of laughing, open and secure conversations, going out and having fun together. I have looked at four apartments and plan to honor her wishes for me to move out sometime in the next few weeks and have noticed her interest in viewing as many as she can with me as well as comments like “a shorter lease would be better to get out of if we did get back together, but I don’t want to lead you on” or “One of us will need to buy a new bed but we should choose it together in the event we try to work on this down the line. I just don’t know what being separated will be like or how it will make me feel, but I do know that right now I don’t love you and need this time to sort out my life and move forward on my own. I’m sorry that I am hurting you”.

    Confusing yes, but it seems like she is just as confused and in pain, looking for a reason that points at why she feels so unhappy as a person and her marriage is an easy choice. I have taken responsibility for my part in the marriage, I am showing her that I am willing to change and showing her that she (and our son) are the most significant things in my life. She has taken positive steps by going out with friends after work for the first time in years, working on her negative self-image related to depression, low-thyroid, and an eating disorder. She bought herself some new jeans for the first time in years and is putting herself first, which is what she really seems to need. She also loves stickers and organizing her planer and has been really into that as a release. I also noticed that she put a sticker on her laptop (the only one) that says “Be happy”.  I am proud of her and am willing to give her the space and anything that she needs while I begin to get back into the activities that bring me peace and happiness as well.

    #171703
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Christopher:

    It reads to me that your wife is interested in two things, about which she is not confused. These things are a separation and an easy transition to it. She looks for apartments for you to move to (toward a separation) and she tells you that the separation may be temporary (toward the goal of an easy transition, as a motivator for you to indeed cooperate). She may very well be honest about the possibility of a reuniting after separation. The way she is going about the separation is wise, on her part. It is best for your child that his parents cooperate well.

    anita

    #171707
    Christopher
    Participant

    Anita, many of your responses seem to suggest that my wife and I are most-likely finished. While I recognize the steps that she’s may to put space between us and her feelings, she often ends statements with the phrase “right now”, honoring the moment, which I accept. However, this notion of separating is about six weeks old (granted, she has thought about this for much longer in her mind).  I have no concerns that we will serve our son’s best interest either way, but I am far from giving up on the chance for us to build our marriage anew and let it be reborn.

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