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  • #408276
    Anonymous
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    Dear StoutHeartedMen:

    However, at some moments, I do seem to see her vulnerable side when she speaks about her troubled past. She accepted my identity without question. She can also be silly, spontaneous, and a great dancer“- every bad person (including serial murderers that I read about, count Hitler in) has a troubled past and a vulnerable side, a side one can see at times. And  every person is attractive in one way or another, dancing well, or whatnot.

    I think that you should not socialize with friend 4 anymore.

    anita

     

    #408279
    StoutHeartedMen
    Participant

    Hi Anita,

    Thank you very much for your prompt reply and providing your opinion! I am so glad to cross paths with you again on this thread. Thank you for reading.

    I appreciate your advice not to socialize with friend 4. I suppose I should ask, how do you think this can be achieved? Should I speak to the friendly directly and state my own intentions? Should I speak to other friends and try to collaboratively exclude friend 4? Should I create a new groupchat without the friend?

    I do wonder how to physically go about this!

    We are slated to get together in a very large group on Halloween, so I think that may be the last chance I give her.

    Thanks again for providing your thoughts!

    #408280
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear StoutHeartedMen:

    You are welcome and I am also glad to cross paths with you again!

    how do you think this can be achieved?“- first, talk to friend 4 and to the other 3 friends, let them know what you stated here, in your thread. (I will be away from the computer for a few hours).

    anita

    #408289
    Anonymous
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    Dear StoutHeartedMen:

    I don’t know if this is something I should discuss one-on-one, or unionize and see if we can eschew her from the friend group, or continue to bear with the behavior. What do you think?“- I wanted to add to my response: you and the others in the group should not continue to bear with friend 4’s inappropriate, rude and abusive behaviors because if you do, there is nothing to stop her from continuing these behaviors and hurting more people, like the bouncer at the bar who was only doing his job, and doing it respectfully. I believe that you and hopefully the others in the group should tell her that you disapprove of her abusive behaviors. With your honest feedback, maybe she will change her behaviors.

    I suggest that you talk to the others in the group first, to see if you can all present a united front when confronting friend 4. If that is not possible, I would confront friend 4 one-on-one, if I was you.

    The way society is supposed to work (and think of your friend group as a mini-society), is that when an individual does significant wrong, or a series of wrongdoings (like friend 4 does), other individuals within the group should let the wrongdoer know that it is not okay,  so to discourage bad behavior and promote good behavior.

    anita

    #408314
    Roberta
    Participant

    Dear StoutHeartedMen

    Do you as a group do any voulantary work or would be interested in doing so? Doing something purposeful is a good way to bond and heal a friendship group especially since normally no alcohol is involved so less chance of bad behaviour, maybe number 4 would excuse her self from such group activity or it could give her a chance to do something worthwhile.

    I wish you luck and I hope that the rest of the group is supportive, but they may not be even if they do not like number 4’s behaviour.

    Either way be true to your values  and ethics.

    Roberta

     

     

    #408328
    StoutHeartedMen
    Participant

    Dear friends Anita and Roberta,

    How liberating it feels to get these thoughts off my chest! Thank you both for reading my situation and providing your perspectives.

    Anita; I have been mulling over what you said about groups of folks being a mini-society. It has helped me realize how permissive I tend to be, which may extend towards unhealthy practices such as staying silent when injustice such as racism or bullying occurs. I hope to change this in myself by becoming the type of compassionate man that empowers and stands up for others. I’ve heard Buddhists philosophize that such situations are great opportunities to learn so I will try! Imagining my role in this little government makes me consider my own leadership stance and how I want to be as a friend and as a person. Thank you for the unique idea, it has helped and continues to open new doors in my mind’s hall!

    Roberta, I am surprised and intrigued by your idea to volunteer together. I’ve never volunteered as a group before as it seems like a very vulnerable thing for myself to do. I believe it really is a great risk-free way to gauge who is interested in helping the greater good, in general. I know one of my friends from the group has mentioned it before, and we both expressed an interest to do so together but haven’t had a chance. It is such a different approach than getting together with the goal of just having fun, as we have been doing. The idea of doing this makes me feel uplifted, mature, and grateful. I will mention it to my friend who expressed an interest and see where it goes!

    It also occurred to me that, just as all things change from moment to moment, people may change from moment to moment. This includes responding to different environments, days, and feelings. I will keep in mind that each incident listed above is caused by different moments and memories in my friend 4’s life, while at the same time opening myself to the idea that she can change.

    Thanks again everyone for the wonderful ideas.

    #408331
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear StoutHeartedMen:

    You are very welcome and thank you for expressing your appreciation with such grace!

    “It also occurred to me that, just as all things change from moment to moment, people may change from moment to moment… I will keep in mind that each incident listed above is caused by different moments and memories in my friend 4’s life, while at the same time opening myself to the idea that she can change”- unlike what it takes for things to change, it takes intent, motivation and persistence for people to significantly change negative attitudes and rude. abusive behaviors. If she doesn’t have the intent and motivation to start with… she is not likely to change. Maybe… just maybe,  an appropriate confrontation by you/  the group will steer her toward forming an intent to change.

    I hope to change this in myself by becoming the type of compassionate man that empowers and stands up for others“- you form the intent to empower and stand up for others, thank you for this!

    anita

    #412593
    Anonymous
    Guest

    MeRRy ChRistmaS/ Happy Holidays, StoutHeartedMen!

    anita

    #412597
    StoutHeartedMen
    Participant

    Thank you very much Anita, what a kind wish to read in my inbox this morning!  I wish you the same joy!

    As an update for you and all future lurkers to this thread :), I am happy to say that the friend turned out to be extremely busy with her work, career, schooling, and family. She naturally detached from the friendgroup without any intervention. I personally believe that God/Spirit/etc willed her to withdraw from us to focus on her own life, and this is what I believe is best for herself and everyone. I am glad I did not choose to intervene and gave her space as needed.

    Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays to you too! May warmth and coziness be near you those days and always!

    #412599
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear StoutHeartedMen:

    Good to read back from you, you are very welcome, and thank you for your holiday wishes! Thank you for the update as well: it’s a good thing that she withdrew from your friend group.

    anita

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