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  • #147413
    greenshade
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    Hey Joe.

    I have someone like this at work right now. He makes assumptions about me, questions my understanding, and directs political rants I have no interest in listening to at me even though I have asked him to stop.

    I was (and am) very rattled by this man and can barely be in the same room as him. I questioned my response to him, and realized his way of putting me down reminded me of my father, which is why my reaction is as intense as it is. It is also why I give him more head space and thought time than he merits.

    Do you think something similar may be happening with “Bill”?

     

    #147425
    Joe
    Participant

    Greenshade

    Yeah, I have already established that I used to let people walk over me and never letting me explain myself. Like I said in my post, I don’t suffer fools anymore and I stood up to the last two people who tried to treat me that way over Christmas.

    It’s just eating up at me and I just keep imagining this scenario in my mind where I confront this person and let him know that I’m not okay with the way he has spoken to me. Almost as if by having this confrontation, I’d get even with him.

    What do you suggest? Do you think I should just delete this person from my life or should I let him know that I’m not happy about him so I can put it behind me?

    Thankyou for your response

    Joe

     

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    #147431
    greenshade
    Participant

    I don’t honestly know. I’m similar in that I’m learning how to stand up for myself, so I don’t really have a working gauge of when to react and when not to. Trial and error, I guess? But also, maybe a list of principles would help? Like I’ll take action if  1)its effecting my work 2) my intent is compassionate self defense 3) its effecting my happiness; these are random, you could have your own list and base your decision on it?

     

    #147475
    VJ
    Participant

    1)

    “Non-reaction to the ego in others is one of the most effective ways not only of going beyond ego in yourself but also of dissolving the collective human ego. But you can only be in a state of non-reaction if you can recognize someone’s behavior as coming from the ego, as being an expression of the collective human dysfunction. When you realize it’s not personal, there is no longer a compulsion to react as if it were. By not reacting to the ego, you will often be able to bring out the sanity in others, which is the unconditioned consciousness as opposed to the conditioned. At times you may have to take practical steps to protect yourself from deeply unconscious people. This you can do without making them into enemies. Your greatest protection, however, is being conscious. Somebody becomes an enemy if you personalize the unconsciousness that is the ego. Non-reaction is forgiveness. To forgive is to overlook, or rather to look through. You look through the ego to the sanity that is in every human being as his or her essence.

    The ego loves to complain and feel resentful not only about other people but also about situations. What you can do to a person, you can also do to a situation: make it into an enemy. The implication is always: This should not be happening; I don’t want to be here; I don’t want to be doing this; I’m being treated unfairly. And the ego’s greatest enemy of all is, of course, the present moment, which is to say, life itself.”

    ― Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life’s Purpose

     

    2)

    (https://www.eckharttollenow.com/new-home-video/default.aspx?shortcode=d0n49c)

     

    #147477
    VJ
    Participant

    post not submitted…re-submitting.

    • This reply was modified 8 years ago by VJ.
    #147573
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joe:

    I vote for (responsibly) honestly expressing to Bill your feelings and ending contact with him because from your share, you do not perceive a possibility that he will take you or your assertion with him seriously.

    Following your assertion/ confrontation with him, I vote to “cut off all contact for good and wait until the bitterness subsides”

    In regard to your comment: ” (until I find more people to be bitter towards? Haha”- I say; associate only with people who talk and act respectfully to you and about you, people who genuinely respect you. That way you will not “find more people to be bitter toward”.

    anita

    #147597
    Joe
    Participant

    @greenshade

    The list of principles sounds like a great idea. I guess this whole issue does effect me because it’s almost as if the last conversation we had is on a repeat loop in my head.

    It’s interesting how you bring up the idea of an intention being compassionate self-defense, I don’t regard this as being compassionate. Maybe it’s just me being proud. I have my pride and it got wounded (like it has many times before), but this all coming from him deeply wounded me, especially the fact I couldn’t get a word in to explain myself. Maybe I just want to have the last word to get even, like some form of revenge. I’ve spent the past year teaching myself self-respect and bringing myself up after a few setbacks and failures. Maybe I do have a problem dealing with criticism and maybe there were some valid points to Bill’s criticisms but there is also relentlessly criticizing somebody just for the sake of it. I don’t need to be around people who constantly bring up my flaws or constantly telling me “I should do this, I should do that, why don’ I do this, why don’t I do that…”

    As for the affecting my work thing, perhaps this has only made me even more determined than ever to go after my goals, and I would feel more inclined to slay them if I didn’t feel like Bill was scrutinizing me all the time. Like I said, my success is not what his version of success is. I dance to the beat of my own drum.

    Thankyou for your last response, it has helped me a lot 🙂

     


    @VJ

    Thankyou for sharing this with me, and thankyou for reminding me that I still need to read this book. I purchased A New Earth last month and I haven’t gotten round to reading it yet.

     


    @anita

    How’s it going?

    I feel like this is something I should do but I don’t know how to go about doing it. Every time I’ve emailed or WhatsApped him messages, he just replies very briefly so I just get the impression he really isn’t interested in what I have to say and he’s just going to dismiss it. I remember sending him a message on WhatsApp but it took me a while to type something like “I’m good, how are you?” because the keypad on my old phone was broken, and he just sent me another smart aleck remark saying “Are you writing me an essay or something?”

    I did suggest meeting up with him a few times but he always seems to be busy when he comes back to his hometown every weekend, but every other time it seems like he feels that the whole group should meet up together instead and that just used to make me feel uncomfortable because I don’t want to go for any more of these get-togethers, but I didn’t want to say that out of politeness. Now I realize that I am not responsible for the way other people react.

    I kind of feel ridiculous about this whole thing – the last time I met up with this person face to face was two years ago. We have only spoken on the phone or sent messages since – we haven’t seen each other and I haven’t seen any of the other people from the group since but I felt like they had this hold over me. I don’t know how to go about doing this.

     

     

    #147653
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joe:

    I’m well, thank you for asking. My advice: send Bill a short, simple, one line message ending with: do not contact me anymore. That would be your “last word” (in the title of your thread) with him and with the “toxic frenemy”- following it, there will be no more contact, you will make sure of it (no initiating contact with him/ the others and not responding to any such initiative on their part!)

    anita

    #147865
    breakfastat
    Participant

    Dear Jack – VJ’s response to your situation sums it up perfectly.  I too want to pick up this book and will head out today to get it.  I need this reminder every single day.

    My advice to your situation is to meditate until you see your ego in this situation and when you do, you will no longer have a problem.  It’s the life journey and so hard to do, GOOD LUCK.

    #147867
    breakfastat
    Participant

    Sorry I meant Dear Joe! 🙂

    #147869
    breakfastat
    Participant

    Whenever you are wanting to defend yourself – heal yourself instead. xo

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