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September 24, 2018 at 1:04 pm #227291NivParticipant
Hi everyone. I’m new here, although I’ve been reading topics for a while.
Things have been so hard for me my entire life, but they took a turn for the worse in this past 5 years. I grew up in a toxic environment, with a mother who’s depressed and honestly emotionally absent in general, a dad that never cared at all (and wasn’t present), and a grandmother who’s BPD and for a lot of my life I really just repressed all my feelings, but I know I have always been an angry child because my needs weren’t met and I never had guidance of the issues of my own (social skills).
Now I’m a 30 year old woman who struggles with major depression, who is totally alone in life and has no one to fully support her. Although I am having issues in maintaining grad school and might have to put down my dreams of being a successful person in academia… The one thing that really gets to me is that I never had a romantic relationship. Most of the times I feel I am just a loser and piece of shit that no one wants, just like my parents didn’t want me either. I don’t understand why I pray so much, and I take all actions I can, and no one ever is really interested in me. I particularly would like to date someone within academia, but even when I opened by realm and wandered online dating, I did get dates but absolutely no connection 🙁
I also met a couple people (through work) that I really wanted to date. One of them had a boyfriend (now husband) and considering how fulfilling the friendship was, I sort of just wish the best for her and moved on from wanting something, as much as it pains me. The other woman, though, was single when we met and I just feel *so must lust* for her (I don’t feel for anyone) , chose someone else and caused me a lot of pain. I would have given anything for her to be with me, even if it meant that I would be her pity girlfriend, as I clearly I am incapable of attracting anyone.
I don’t know how to move on from the hole I am in. I feel that whenever I pray, or do LOA, or do whatever, things don’t get better. I also can’t forgive this woman that I liked, for not giving me a chance. Right after kicking my ass, she found someone else who’s much better (on paper at least) and has been going on strong and happy. Again, I tried to date but hit closed door after closed door. I don’t know what else to do. I didn’t want to believe that I am doomed, but each passing day it gets worse. The only reason I haven’t ended my life is because I still have hope of justice for me one day, that I have been there for so many people (and I would do it all over again), but the Universe has not been there for me 🙁
September 24, 2018 at 3:02 pm #227317PetalParticipantI didn’t want to read and run ( plus my eyes are closing as nighttime here ) and I’m sure someone with much better advice will answer soon but don’t give up hope .
Keep at your academics such a worthwhile profession . And don’t despair about meeting somebody . Someone will happen at the right time . Forget about the ones who didn’t work out , it’s nice you wish then well . My sister didn’t meet her partner until 35
September 24, 2018 at 4:18 pm #227325NivParticipantThank you Petal, for your words.
I don’t know, was your sister perpetually single before then? I have other issues that make me think that I might not be a fit partner (mostly mental health issues) so maybe I’m just being overly critical or something. But 85% of my peers have partners and the remaining 15% have had partners before. I’m the one that never got to be loved.
September 24, 2018 at 7:26 pm #227331DaveParticipantHi Niv, As soon as I started reading your post it resonated with me. I haven’t had the exact experiences you have, but I do very much relate to the pain and feeling not good enough, that I don’t fit in. I have been through a hell of a lot and suffered a lot of pain in my life. I’m in my early 40s and have only just started doing deep inner work the past three months. I got to a similar point like you of having enough. I made the choice to look deep within and started writing whatever came out. As I looked within for answers to my pain instead of to other people, I discovered that I had constantly abandoned myself trying to fit in and be accepted and loved by other people. I was constantly giving all my power to other people, which left me with only enough to keep surviving, to just get through. I also realised that in this low state I was only attracting deeply damaged people who were very toxic in different ways. They mirrored how I felt about myself. People who were never going to really see me and treat me right. I realised I had no real strong boundries in how I let others treat me, and how I completely sold myself out to be accepted. This was destroying my soul, my very essence. What I started to do was be the kind of friend to myself that I was desperately looking for, give myself that love I desperately ached for others to give me, tell myself I was good enough. I used to hate hearing how it all starts with you, I now know that’s true. No one else can give me that love, they can only add to what’s already there. It’s painful and confronting to just stop and take some time to look deep within and face your pain, but I’ve found answers and clarity I never thought I would. I’m by no means healed, some days I’m just over it. But through this process I have become friends with myself, I’m feeling better and better about myself. The biggest thing I did was put up new stronger boundries when it comes to how I let others treat me, say no when I mean no, avoid toxic people who just take and take and never give back. I protect myself now, I count on myself and I am my number one priority. I give myself my own seal of approval. I felt that my story might resonate with you Niv. I’m not going to sugar coat anything and patronise you. I’m still going through this, I get incredibly lonely and overwhelmed and feel like giving up frequently. But the difference now is the hand that reaches out to pull me through is my own. Niv, you like all of us deserve to be loved and treated right. Try and be gentle and compassionate with yourself, give yourself a pat on the back, be your own friend and get to know you 🙂
September 24, 2018 at 9:14 pm #227335patrickParticipantWhat Dave says is very strong and on point! I support you taking the journey that a good therapist will take you through. We have gone ‘through’ a lot. You, me, everybody! Your strength must prevail and taking help is necessary! You can’t forgive that woman because you can’t forgive your self.
More Importantly, you must derive happiness and joy from your own life before you can share it with others. The work must be taken seriously. The damage and hurt are deep and it will take at least a year. Well worth it when compared to all of that time that our issues have cost us! 30 is not old. you still have time to overcome this.
September 24, 2018 at 10:36 pm #227345PetalParticipantNiv
my sister only had one partner and that was about age 32 maybe no one before then . That ended badly and then she met her husband about 35 . Be kind and gentle to yourself .
September 25, 2018 at 12:26 pm #227493AnonymousGuestDear Niv:
I would like to read and add my reply to the replies you received so far when I am back to the computer in about fifteen hours from now.
anita
September 25, 2018 at 10:51 pm #227549NivParticipantThanks everyone for the answers. Thanks for listening!
Petal: Well, I sort of still have hope, but most of the moments it’s hard to believe things will be different. Maybe the sort of people I usually hang out with are abnormal but everybody seems to be super successful and it makes me super worse. 🙁
Anita: Thanks so much, I will wait for your message!
Patrick and Dave: Thanks for the words! I have been in therapy (on and off) since I was like 12… so long ago! I recognize that looking back I’m someone else completely different and much better. I have unloaded so much crap! It is kind of scary to think what kind of effed up I was! But I still struggle with this residual things (that are very very major in themselves, unfortunately). I mean, even after all this work, what is left is still quite a lot, so that reflects on how bad it was :/
It’s weird that I was always usually considered as someone who doesn’t follow norms or the social and that is something that always sort of made me proud. Unfortunately that also involved a lot of people pleasing in other ways, like trying to fight fights that weren’t mine or trying to be some sort of savior…I sort of agree that it all starts with us but also remember nobody showed me attention whatsoever :/ Some would consider I’m lucky I didn’t experience the bad parts of this but it reinforces my sense of rejection. I’m not ugly or stupid or anything and it sort of baffles me. It puts me in a dark place when I think about it. I already have a hard time with not letting go and having that reinforced just messes me up a lot.
I have been trying to practice love with friends (like, just to believe when they say they like me, not to question it, etc etc). But depression is though, it’s hard for me to maintain friendships. It’s also increasingly hard to work because the demands on me are very high. Hence with I don’t think I can do academia — I can’t reconcile the pressure with the inherent knowledge I wouldn’t be happy in a small (teaching) institution
September 26, 2018 at 2:32 am #227567AireneParticipantHello Niv,
Your post compels me to say, “Things will be okay.” Sounds trite, but I believe it’s true.
I also agree with what Patrick says here, and I think this is where it all starts:
“More Importantly, you must derive happiness and joy from your own life before you can share it with others.” I would also add that you must derive happiness from within yourself as well, before you can share it with others. You seem to recognize this in theory, but it is the practice of it that trips you up.
I say this all from experience.
I also picked out this from one of your posts: “Unfortunately that also involved a lot of people pleasing in other ways, like trying to fight fights that weren’t mine or trying to be some sort of savior…” Setting boundaries can be exhausting and feel like you’re letting people down, but be strong….say “no.” Inwardly or outwardly, it is effective.
Airene
September 26, 2018 at 7:17 am #227593AnonymousGuestDear Niv:
First I will retype your share (it helps me process information doing that), second will be my understanding:
You are now a thirty year old woman who “struggles with major depression.. totally alone in life”. You are attending graduate school and working. You had dreams of “being a successful person in academia” and have been interested in having a romantic relationship with a woman from academia, but you never had a romantic relationship.
Most of the time you feel that you are “just a loser and piece of s*&^ that no one wants, just like my parents didn’t want me either… no one ever is really interested in me”.
You grew up “in a toxic environment” with a mother who was/ is depressed and “emotionally absent in general”, a father who “never cared at all (and wasn’t present)”, and a “grandmother who’s BPD”. You wrote that you repressed all your feelings a lot of your life and that you were an angry child, that you were in on and off therapy since you were about 12, made a lot of progress. You have “unloaded so much crap!”, but still struggle because “what is left is still quite a lot”.
My understanding: what was and what is left that is “quite a lot” is your anger, an understandable, valid anger. It is anger that is keeping you alone. The rage of a girl left alone, unattended to, is not a mild force. It grows and festers and stays.
Let’s look at the two women you were interested in dating: ne had a boyfriend so you were okay with moving on, but the other, she was single and after you showed her interest, she “chose someone else”- that activated your anger. Because there you were interested in her, desiring her, and she could have attended to you, reciprocated your interest because she was single, and yet she chose someone else.
“I would have given anything for her to be with me”- just like you would have given anything.. just like you did give everything you had to be with your mother. And yet, your mother at times at least, did she not, attend to someone else, while leaving you there to yourself, alone.
It is only recently, late in my healing process, that I remembered how intensely, as a young child, I desired my mother’s attention, no desire is stronger than a desire of a girl for her mother. Like you, I believe, I got angry, very angry. This anger made relationships impossible for me too for the longest time. And it is this same anger that I felt a few moments ago, feeling it every day.
There are many women who had terrible childhoods and yet they have romantic relationships, but their fear/ anger dynamic is different than women who don’t manage to have a relationship. They may be more fearful than angry, perhaps. Maybe their anger is turned inward on a regular basis, while yours often enough turns outward, toward other people, and it shows, keeping them away.
What do you think/ feel?
anita
September 27, 2018 at 5:54 pm #227839NivParticipantHi Airene!
I think that trips me up is the “doing it” part… it’s sort of like — it sounds so foreign sometimes, like, what is it supposed to mean, to “feel happy with oneself”? The other part I guess I will have to admit is me not fully recognizing what exactly is wrong. Like, I can’t differentiate how I perceive my actions to look like from what other people do (it was blatant when I was younger but not so much now).
I think I’m getting there, but super slowly. One of the hardest things for me is to sit down and actually see that there are things I actually have done wrong, it’s hard/painful to see all the ways I crippled myself (in addition to what was done to me) because at that point I just didn’t know better. The other thing is actually to know what I like or dislike, because sometimes I just don’t know…
September 27, 2018 at 6:23 pm #227843NivParticipantAnita, I think you are right that she triggers my mom anger feelings. I did clear a lot of other feelings related to her before I reached this state of mommy anger, but ultimately I think that’s what is there right now. It’s complicated also that I don’t really feel pants!feelings for anyone, and then this person shows up and I’m like “wow”… it just feels incomplete if I ever end up with someone that is great but I don’t feel this for them.
“There are many women who had terrible childhoods and yet they have romantic relationships, but their fear/ anger dynamic is different than women who don’t manage to have a relationship. They may be more fearful than angry, perhaps. Maybe their anger is turned inward on a regular basis, while yours often enough turns outward, toward other people, and it shows, keeping them away.”
that is very true, most women are able to have relationships despite all trauma. Some are even in healthy relationships. I don’t know… I consider myself to be super fearful apart from the anger. I don’t know if my anger sends people away because it’s more internally directed than externally (the external part is more recent I guess). Looking back the three things that have kept me alone were fear, the lack of sexual desire, and the unwillingness to settle for less than I wanted… I wonder if what I want is somewhat unrealistic… I mean, it shouldn’t be, but maybe it is (someone that works with me — or in the same field at least — who I feel sexual attraction for, that enjoys alternating between both an active and quiet lifestyle, and mainly someone that is involved with advocating for minorities/LGBT/mental health issues or at least is an ally).
Right now I’m also sort of stuck with having a therapist who’s not a good fit for me and having to try to figure it all out again is just so painful!! I think at this point she’s just damaging more than helping!
September 28, 2018 at 5:16 am #227899AnonymousGuestDear Niv:
You mentioned in your most recent post “the unwillingness to settle for less than I wanted”.
You wrote in your original post: “Most of the times I feel I am just a loser and piece of s(*& that no one wants”-
a woman believing this will settle for anyone almost as a romantic partner, feeling less than and grateful to be wanted by someone, be it whomever it may be. But not you, for years, your unwillingness to settle for less than you wanted kept you uninterruptedly single.
Why weren’t you desperate like so many women, willing to settle for anything, I asked myself and looked for answers. You wrote earlier that you tried “to fight fights that weren’t mine or tying to be some sort of savior”, and that you “wouldn’t be happy in a small (teaching) institution”.
I think that you alternate between feeling “just a loser”, inferior to others and feeling superior to others, one able to save others, to defy societal norms, be a hero perhaps, to make it big in academia and so forth. It is common for a person feeling less than to also feel more than others, to alternate between extremes. The high of feeling more-than compensates at times for the low of feeling less-than.
It is the more-than extreme that is keeping you out of a romantic relationship, is what I am thinking. What do you think?
anita
September 29, 2018 at 9:40 am #228117NivParticipantAnita,
I think you’ve got something, but when it comes to me there’s not just one reason or one layer, let’s say… it’s so weird that usually for people they have like only one reason why things don’t happen (if they fix that they are successful) but with me there’s just all the reasons and some of them are things I can’t fix. Maybe the point you mentioned is just one more of them.
Problems so far have included: lack of libido, fear of physical intimacy, not hitting off with most people, people not being interested in me in general, boring personality, not knowing how to flirt (and actively disliking it), not being white (when you want to date only white people, that IS a thing unfortunately), being overweight, being the female version of a Nice Guy. Maybe what you mentioned is just one more thing for this list.
Yesterday I went to a party with friends from uni, and this one girl tried to hook up with the other who’s lesbian and all… and she wasn’t interested in me at all… I mean, I wouldn’t do it anyway because that girl is married and that’s a huge no to me, but just the fact that once again I’m not even a choice just hurts too much. People are never interested in me in that way. I supposed it should be flattering that many people see me as a good person to talk to and all but that’s not what I need from life anymore.
That’s something I don’t understand… how are you supposed to feel positive when absolutely NO ONE that you were interested in, or that you tried to date in general, liked you. I mean, there were times I was satisfied about myself because I was at least trying, and also doing other things that generally were positive to myself, but rejection after rejection after rejection just destroyed me. It didn’t matter how happy I was with myself, people just didn’t want to be with me anyway…
If I am meant to live this life where I’m constantly rejected, I just wish I could die. I’m not brave enough to take my own life in a definitive way, unfortunately.
September 29, 2018 at 10:15 am #228125AnonymousGuestDear Niv:
I am not focused enough so I will need to get away from the computer and be back tomorrow morning, in about 18 hours from now. I read your recent post but will need to re-read it when I am back. If you can add the following before I am back, it may help me understand: to how many women did you clearly express interest in, in your life so far (this number will be equal to the number of women who rejected your clearly expressed interest).
Also, did you attend events or venues known as meeting places for lesbians?
anita
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