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September 12, 2015 at 7:56 pm #83222AnonymousGuest
Dear rookie:
I am not focused enough this evening. If you read this before I am back in 10 hours or so, please add anything that might help me understand more about you. I will come back to your thread tomorrow morning, “bright eyed and bushy tailed” I hope.
anita
September 13, 2015 at 2:11 am #83229rookieParticipantDear Anita,
No problem, I totally understand, just say something when you feel better. Happens to all of us.
I don’t know what I can tell you about me that might be helpful to this situation in particular, so if there’s anything that you wanna know just ask and I’ll gladly tell you.Thanks and hope you are feeling better!
Rookie
September 13, 2015 at 10:58 am #83259AnonymousGuestDear Rookie:
I re-read all your posts here. I got a feel that you are a strong person, I got a “feel” of your strength, a certain strong independence of thinking and managing your mind and your life. Not without challenges of course, but good insight on your part. Anything I would suggest for you to consider, you already suggested yourself in your posts here. If you re-read your posts, everything I could possibly suggest is in your own writing.
More thoughts: about the guy, why ge got colder. Part of your feel for his coldness could be your expectation that he would be closer after you were physically intimate. Part of his coldness could be his expectation that you expect him to get closer, which … made him move away. This is all too soon to tell because you didn’t communicate enough in person, and may not be able to because of distance. Did you give yourself too soon, a point you brought up…?
I sense your loneliness, doesn’t take a genius to sense what is so natural for a human, a social animal by genetics. Your distant relationship with your family, living away from country of origin… having been distant from friends, keeping things in… naturally you were lonely and eager to connect oncwe you got in the same place with him, after all the hours of communication from a distance. Naturally you would be eager to be CLOSE.
I would encourage you cautiously getting close to people, selectively, evaluate and re-evaluate everyone with whom you interact, including him. Not waiting for him but continuing to live and practice everything available for you to practice in your life as is, communication with people included, a possible relationship with another man, included.
Anything else- please write more.
anitaSeptember 14, 2015 at 8:40 am #83316rookieParticipantDear Anita,
I took some time to think about it and you’re right, deep down I was expecting to get more intimate with him after having physically intimate with him, and it seems that the opposite is true (since that phone call I told him to call me when he is able to (my profession allows me to use my phone at almost al times) and I did it to see if he was really interested in pursuing this or not, since when we were together he always had found time to text not only family to say that he is ok but work matters and such, so in the end I just wanted to see if there was a will to connect or an excuse not to (maybe this is not the most correct way to act from my side but I felt like I should do this). Needless to say that there was no more communication since then. I’m trying to find closure in this way, he’s just not looking for the same thing as I am. But that raises another question. I talked with a really good friend of mine who is actually here (he has been an amazing friend and he even knows my life story which is something that I usually don’t tell anybody) while talking about this told me that maybe the reason why you attract these kind of people to your life is because you love their freedom. He also said that I would probably like a person that gives me freedom to just be myself and that accepts me for who I am on everything including my past and the uncertainty of my profession (I never know where I’m going to be actually, I do have some control but not always). I automatically answered: ” I don’t believe such person exists” without even thinking. That scared me and only then I realized this. I’m conformed that I’m not going to get what I want in a guy, let alone having a real connection and intimacy with him so I just settled for less (which is not respectable to myself at all). But I realized as well that no matter what I try to think I just can’t believe such people exist. It’s sad and I would like to change that, but I honestly don’t know how should I deal with this one. If you please can tell me what you think about this I would be deeply appreciated. I know dealing with this kind of heavy stuff probably drains you, so just answer when you can and if you don’t mind to do so.
Just so you know I’m really grateful for all the help I got here from you and everyone
Rookie
September 14, 2015 at 9:50 am #83318AnonymousGuestDear Rookie:
I think that deep down inside you- you are looking for love, for connecting with another on an intimate level, more than you are currently experiencing with your good friend you mentioned in the last post as well as with increased closeness with the friends you have. I think you learned through your childhood experience that trying to connect (with patent/s I assume)- backfired on you, brought you negative results. So you learned to recoil from closeness, to not wish it or to wish it away, definitely wish it away at first sign of trouble.
Deep down inside you long for connection of the most intimate kind (genetically based, very human) and you also learned, on a deep level, to stay away from the very thing you long for. And staying away from it worked for you to a good extent, which is why and how you function as well as you do.
I figure that you believe no such person exists (you saying it without thinking is an indication of how deeply established this belief is)- is based on your life experience of childhood. We form our core beliefs based on our personal experience, naturally. Unfortunately, it was your parents’ deficiency or fault for the failure of positive experience in your childhood: you were completely committed then to intimacy with them (biologically it is a live or die to the young deer, let’s say)- they were not.
In real life (and real is all that counts)- there are plenty of people with whom closeness will hurt you, just as your efforts to be close to your parents has hurt you. And there are a few, and all you need is one, that closeness with him will be the greatest thing for you.
Again, cautious selectiveness is the key, approach with caution. Your life experience taught you what is real: that closeness can hurt and can be detrimental to your well being. So caution.
The reluctance on your part to get intimate is not about something being wrong with you. It is about reality.
You are so gracious, rookie: very good at being easy on people, respecting others’ needs. So gentle and gracious about asking for help. This is very … a loveable thing about you. You will be excellent at a very intimate relationship with the right man. The right man is one that you learn about over time, in person, slowly.
What do you think about my input so far?
anita
September 15, 2015 at 11:37 am #83384rookieParticipantDear Anita,
Thanks for your words. I would like to tell you once more that I’m deeply grateful for all of your help. It has helped me to understand a lot of things better.Thank you.
About your input I just have to say that you are right about all of the above, I guess now it’s time to address my situation of not believing that such man exists (its a really deep one because as I said and you quoted, I didn’t even think before saying it which means that it’s a really deep belief). I’ve been trying to address that now, but until now no results, I see that I’m more positive towards life and I don’t think that everyone is bad anymore which is a really good start ( I used to think that everyone was bad and people always had a ulterior motive for liking you, like as if it would be an exchange of favors).I’m really happy about this development, but I would like to develop myself more. To understand that it’s OK to long for closeness and intimacy,but that I don’t need to go for anything less than I deserve. And I deserve to be happy. That it’s OK to be alone, but not OK to be lonely. And to work on this deeply rooted beliefs will help me achieve my goal.
If you have any ideas of how can I work this better please let me knowThank you so much once again
Rookie
September 15, 2015 at 12:54 pm #83385AnonymousGuestDear Rookie:
You are welcome! Further input: regarding above “not OK to be lonely.” Taking literally, it is OK to be lonely: it is OK to feel lonely and whatever it is that you feel at any moment. Every emotion has a valid message- it is about knowing that massage. Trying to change a feeling any which way or repressing it trying to “be positive”- is not the way to go. Every feeling is valid, has a valid reason, no matter how negative it feels, even distressing, even hateful, jealous feelings. If you find out that valid message behind an emotion you will be relieved, as in: “Oh, I see, I understand.”
People feel “secondary emotions” about their (primary) emotions, for example: shame over feeling jealous of another. Or fear over feeling…. fear or anger. If you stay with the primary feeling and decipher its message…
You will often find out it is about you wanting to be loved, wanting or needing to be taken care of. And it is often a reaction to past events, giving you the message that certain hurts need to be acknowledged, by you. A message can be that you need to assert yourself with a particular person.
Hope you post again on this thread. Will look for new postings, anytime.
anita
September 16, 2015 at 10:40 pm #83487rookieParticipantDear Anita,
I’ve been trying to apply what you’ve told me on this past day and I must say your words really helped, yet I still find resistance in some of the beliefs. Maybe I just need some more time because for sure I won’t change a bad habit in one day right?
The funny thing is that the guy texted me yesterday,at first I felt a little bit angry about him only saying something a week after, but then I realized that in the end he didn’t do anything wrong, he was never rude or bad to me. He did happen to not have me as a priority at all. He just happens not to be what I’m looking for. So I answered and checked how is he doing and told him that I hope he is doing well. I’m really happy to have had this attitude of realizing a pattern and telling myself the truth and act accordingly to what is there, to what is real. I hope that he finds happiness to be honest. It’s just a bit sad that he wasn’t what I expected. But now I know better.
I also thought that I tend to think that people need to be happy by themselves before they can be with someone else. But I always have those moments that I feel lonely, and then I have troubles to discern if it’s me that just wants love, or if I’m not happy with my life/myself. But since I started “digging” on this and dealing with it I just found myself to be really happy and grateful for everything, everything that whether good or bad shaped me into who I am. And I even had some people telling me that I seem so genuinely happy these days, which was quite pleasant to hear to be honest. The real question is am I not being too eager to have that connection? Shouldn’t I be more patience towards it? Sometimes I do feel like I want it too much.Thank you so much for your help
Rookie
September 17, 2015 at 8:54 am #83496AnonymousGuestDear Rookie
You’re welcome. Emotions are necessary sources of information about what is real and true and there is a relief when we allign ourselves with what is true. A long term relief and benefit for better and better functioning in life. As to your question about being too eager to have that connection- my answer is: NO. There is nothing wrong or too much about the eagerness you feel for a connection. This eagerness … has a valid message: that you are human. We are genetically built, evolved that way, to be social animals, to connect. Can’t help it. Fact of life, of our natural beings.
How to get into and make win-win relationships is a different kind of question, one that requires more thinking. How do you get the connection that is good for you? When you meet a person, if you are in the habit and practice of seeing the truth in you and around you, you WILL over time evaluate that person and learn who that person is. And you will make that evaluation before you commit to an exclusive relationship with that person or to anything otherwise. You become curious, not only eager. Maybe you become eager to SEE what is there, not only eager to connect. You maintain your eagerness (can’t get rid of what is natural)- but you add an adjective to it: selective eagerness. So WHO the person is becomes very important to the question of whether to get closer to that person- or not.
anita
anita
September 24, 2015 at 11:55 am #84032rookieParticipantDear Anita,
I’m sorry for the late reply, but I had a full schedule (actually more than full) and I didn’t feel like writing here if I couldn’t have the necessary time, focus, and energy to do so.
Even though my schedule was quite full, some advances still managed to happen in the meantime. The guy contacted me to ask me if we could meet on his way back home (he had a layover of some hours here) and I said yes since I felt like I had to tell him some things. I had thought about everything and I wanted to say it.We met, and I told him that i’m looking for a person that doesn’t treat me like an option or a “safe bet” and that accepts the uncertainty of my profession and accepts me as a person who is here learning, like all of us are. he told me what he looked for in a guy (we definitely don’t want the same things) but in the end of the conversation he said that he would like to keep in touch with me, to which I told him that I had no problems with that (as long as we talk as friends). I felt sad after because I felt like I still haven’t found the connection and intimacy I’m looking for, but I also realized that this good friend of mine who is here and I told you about has been amazing with me and to be honest I never had a friend with whom I had such a good connection as with him, so overall I’m pretty happy and grateful for that. I feel like I’m getting what I need to get over this and to develop myself as well even though I still would like to have the connection I’m looking for. He not only helped me a lot (with things as simple as good and meaningful conversations) and has been one of the best friends I’ve ever had.
For now I guess I should stick to what you told me in the last post 🙂Tell me what you think about it if you have the time, I would like to know what you think
Hope everything is well and hope to hear from you soon!
Rookie
April 15, 2022 at 2:38 pm #397967AnonymousGuestDear Rookie:
I went back in time to the very beginning of my participation in tiny buddha, almost seven years ago (May 5, 2015), and came across our communication in September of 2015. I submitted a post for you on Sept 17, 2015, you posted next seven days later, on Sept 24, 2015, but I was not aware before today, more than 6 years later, that you posted that last post. I regret not having noticed it back in Sept 2015 (it must have been busy at the time, unlike recently), and wonder if you thought at the time that I chose, for some reason, to not reply to you. It makes me sad to think that you might have thought that.
I doubt, of course, that you are still following this old thread, but I want to reply to you in the next 24 hours regardless.
anita
April 16, 2022 at 9:25 am #397979AnonymousGuestDear Rookie:
“We met I really enjoyed our talk and getting to know him more and eventually things led up to us getting involved and now that he left… Maybe I gave myself too fast. I’m feeling really lost… I’m usually a really closed person in the sense of not telling anyone personal things even to friends… and then sometimes I open up to someone in a relationship and they don’t care/ go away…. So, I think that right now I need to figure out better what I want, and how to respect myself a little bit more by taking more time to get to know people and to actually see them and not what I want them to be… deep down I was expecting to get more intimate with him after having physically intimate with him, and it seems that the opposite is true… I used to think that everyone was bad, and people always had an ulterior motive for liking you, like as if it would be an exchange of favors… The funny thing is that the guy texted me yesterday, at first, I felt a little bit angry about him only saying something a week after, but then I realized that in the end he didn’t do anything wrong, he was never rude or bad to me. He did happen to not have me as a priority at all. He just happens not to be what I’m looking for… The real question is am I not being too eager to have that connection? Shouldn’t I be more patience towards it? Sometimes I do feel like I want it too much… The guy contacted me to ask me if we could meet on his way back home (he had a layover of some hours here) and I said yes since I felt like I had to tell him some things… We met, and I told him that I’m looking for a person that doesn’t treat me like an option or a “safe bet” and that accepts the uncertainty of my profession and accepts me as a person who is here learning, like all of us are. He told me what he looked for in a guy (we definitely don’t want the same things) … I felt sad after because I felt like I still haven’t found the connection and intimacy I’m looking for, but I also realized that this good friend of mine who is here and I told you about has been amazing with me and to be honest I never had a friend with whom I had such a good connection… Tell me what you think about it if you have the time, I would like to know what you think Hope everything is well and hope to hear from you soon!”.
Your last words, “hope to hear from you soon!” were typed on September 24, 2015. I will tell you what I think today, more than 6.5 years later: many millions of people in our world are” too eager to have that connection… want it too much“, wanting love so much that we rush into it with closed eyes, assuming, imagining, wishing, hoping… not asking questions, such as: who is this person whom I want so much?… not “taking more time to get to know people and to actually see them and not what I want them to be” (your words).
It was only after you got intimate with him that you had let him know what you wanted, and he had let you know what he wanted, and it was then that you learned that there was no match: “I told him that I’m looking for a person that… He told me what he looked for in a guy (we definitely don’t want the same things)“.
When we find out that the person with whom we were intimate is not who we wanted him to be, we get angry at him/ her: “I felt a little bit angry… but then I realized that in the end he didn’t do anything wrong, he was never rude or bad to me. He did happen to not have me as a priority at all. He just happens not to be what I’m looking for” – you assumed one thing, he assumed another, and neither one of you checked your assumptions before getting intimate, to see if your individual assumptions were true and if there was a match of intents and motivations.
Regarding the friend you mentioned in the last part of your last post: get to know him, keep your eyes and ears open, ask questions, notice when you make assumptions and check those assumptions, check intents and motivations to see if there is a match before getting intimate, or before getting heavily invested, emotionally and/or practically.
Here is the advice I gave you back in September 2015: (1) “When you ask him… Make your question as inviting of his honest answer as possible, a question meant to get honest information instead of, let’s say expressing desperation, anxiety, blame”, (2) “Rush it- and it will not happen. Let it be, and it may happen”,
(3) “the more you learn, the more there is more to learn… it is when we see things as they are, that we see more and more. It is delusion… that makes us stuck… Practice patience and learn”,
(4) “Trying to change a feeling any which way or repressing it trying to be positive- is not the way to go. Every feeling is valid, has a valid reason, no matter how negative it feels… find out that valid message… People feel secondary emotions about their (primary) emotions, for example: shame over feeling jealous… stay with the primary feeling and decipher its message… Emotions are necessary sources of information”,
(5) “When you meet a person, if you are in the habit and practice of seeing the truth in you and around you, you will over time evaluate that person and learn who that person is. And you will make that evaluation before you commit to an exclusive relationship with that person… who the person is becomes very important to the question of whether to get closer to that person- or not”.
anita
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