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December 23, 2013 at 3:52 am #47414KimaniParticipant
Hello, my name is Kimani Shorter. I have developed a theory of personality based on Carl Jung’s theory of archetypes. This is a summary of my theory.
Shorter Typology
I found a relationship between Carl Jung’s theory of archetypes and disorders
My theory explores metaphysics and modern psychology. It reconfigures some archetypes and some of the types found on the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) as well a type not found on the DSM into something new.
Archetypes are primal symbols of people. These same archetypes are building blocks in determining personalities. Many individual archetypes are found in people at the same time / over a lifetime. These archetypes separately show fragments of people’s unconscious minds. These archetypes combined display a large part or portion of the unconscious mind. When organized into groups of two they spell out psychological conditions. What seems random at first becomes very familiar when placed in a different context.
There are six archetypes in this equation. Each archetype represents a distinctive trait. The Child relies upon others. The Hero is troubled / always has problems and obstacles to overcome. The Mother is empathetic and comforting. The Shadow is a symbol of anger and apathy. The Trickster is cunning. The Wise Old Man is insightful.
The six archetypes are divided into three sets. There are two archetypes in each set. The combination of the two archetypes in each set results in a model for psychological conditions. What makes people unique and special is determined by what archetypes are found in them the most.
My theory believes that certain specific archetypes can be applied to a disorder or condition. I’ve taken six archetypes and paired each two of them together. The two archetypes are then matched to several disorders because of their equivalency. The end result is three distinct types. Each type is defined by two archetypes.
The insightful nature of the Wise Old Man archetype and the troubled nature of the Hero archetype are equivalent to the brilliant but withdrawn nature of people with Asperger’s and Bipolar Disorder.
The devoted nature of the Mother archetype and the vulnerable nature of the Child archetype are equivalent to the nurturing dependent nature of people with Codependency Personality Disorder, and Dependent Personality Disorder. The apathetic, angry nature of the Shadow archetype and the cunning nature of the The Trickster archetype are equivalent to the impulsive, manipulative nature of people with Narcissistic Personality disorder, Borderline personality disorder, Histrionic personality disorder and Sociopathy.There are ten psychological conditions / types used in this concept. They are Asperger’s Syndrome, Bipolar 1, Bipolar 2, Cyclothymia, Codependency, Dependent, Borderline, Histrionic, Narcissism, and Sociopathy. The similar elements of these conditions unify them. They form an entity. A person will gravitate towards one of these three entities / types much more than any of the others.
The Designer The Professional The Charmer
Depending on certain archetypes people have different capabilities, strengths, and weaknesses. Learning about which archetypes a person displays will help them better understand these capabilities, strengths, and weaknesses.
Archetypes are aspects of someone’s personality. They are character traits. The part of the mind that archetypes make up is called the subconscious. It is the area of the psyche where memories and emotions that have been repressed exist. In the subconscious mind desires and thoughts that are socially unacceptable or painful and uncomfortable have been submerged. The subconscious is also known as the unconscious mind. In the subconscious or unconscious mind emotions exist that you may not even be aware of. That is another way of looking at these archetypes.
I’m trying to build or expand upon Carl Jung’s initial concept of archetypes. I’m personalizing them by applying them to specific disorders. I have identified a pattern that exists with these archetypes. It takes two of them to identify a psychological disorder. You can match two archetypes to several disorders.
Designer
Archetypes:
The Hero – troubled
The Wise Old Man – profound
Tendencies: withdrawn, creative / insightful
Dominant Capabilities: composing, equating, calculating
Conditions: Asperger’s Syndrome, Bipolar SpectrumProfessional
Archetypes:
The Child – dependency, vulnerable
The Mother – nurturing, devoted
Tendencies: generosity, dedication, sacrifice, humility
Dominant Capabilities: consoling, comforting, compromising
Conditions: Codependency, DependentCharmer
Archetypes:
The Shadow – apathy, anger
The Trickster – cunning
Tendencies: impulsive, manipulative, savvy
Dominant Capabilities: enticing, seducing, tempting, exploiting
Conditions: Borderline, Histrionic, Narcissism, SociopathyDecember 23, 2013 at 4:00 am #47415memmParticipantI think the problem with these types of things is that people are not black and white enough for any kind of labels to really have any weight. You can be a charmer one day and a designer the next or professional on weekdays. We’re built to adapt.
December 23, 2013 at 4:06 am #47416KimaniParticipantBut it’s about which one is more prevalent than others with you. It’s not like these types / disorders overlap. You are going to see yourself as one much moreso than others.
December 23, 2013 at 4:08 am #47417memmParticipantThat’s where I strongly disagree.
December 23, 2013 at 4:14 am #47418KimaniParticipantWhy?
December 23, 2013 at 4:23 am #47419memmParticipantWell for one thing do you really think Asperger’s can’t also be codependent? And why not withdrawn most times but when you see somebody in trouble be comforting?
It’s because what we are up against, the situations / environment defines our response / capabilities. Also things like depression can make you very numb emotionally which can make you very cold and manipulative, but at happier times when you have more empathy being sociopathic is much more difficult.
December 23, 2013 at 6:11 am #47421MattParticipantKimani,
Nice work, keep exploring! I tend to agree more with memm’s observations about archetypes momentarily arising based on the conditions (including neuro-atypical brain structures that make the conditions more enduring), but your curiosity and intention of “sorting out the mess” glows.
Also consider checking out Chogyam Trungpa’s work “Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism” which helps erode the force inside that clings to these archetypes as some enduring trait, or the words we write as some enduring truth. Instead, as the Buddha taught, we are constantly in flux, and the more fluid we become, the more wisdom and joy flows through us. That’s when we can become bridge builders, instead of drawing sorting circles. Does that make sense?
With warmth,
MattJanuary 6, 2014 at 12:04 am #48467KimaniParticipantAs far as the Buddhist concept of following a middle path or avoiding extremes the Designer type is in the middle of the two extremes that are the Professional and the Charmer type. The Charmer type lives a life of excess and egocentricity. The Professional type does the exact opposite only living to serve others. But the Designer isn’t concerned with either of those roles.
January 10, 2014 at 1:16 am #48843David BedermanParticipantThe greatest benefit I received from learning Myers/Briggs and the Eneagram systems was that it helped see my “robotic” tendencies and thereby gave me a map through which to notice the limitations my personality was placing on me.
I find that using these personality typing systems is a tremendous tool for helping us grow out of old patterns and learning to achieve new goals.
Without these systems, many people stay locked in an invisible prison of personality, unable to notice their own habitual (and often times destructive, if not just limiting) patterns.
They can be a tremendous tool for personal growth!
(sorry, i didn’t really respond to the OP here. apologies)- This reply was modified 10 years, 10 months ago by David Bederman.
January 11, 2014 at 6:25 am #48909KimaniParticipantWell do you think my personality system can be beneficial in that same way?
January 9, 2016 at 7:30 pm #91932JordanParticipantHi, this is a very interesting discovery to me and I must say I am a little annoyed which I will explain, I was watching the movie Merlin (1998) and realised that Queen Mab fits the personality traits of someone with borderline (massive fear of abandonment by her religious followers) and also Narcissistic personality disorder and Machiavellianism. It kindof entered my mind that Queen Mab is a mythical creature and therefore could be an archetype, and what occured from then was some kindof of reverse logic I cant really explain it which made me come to the conclusion that people with BPD, NPD, ASPD etc must all have some archetypal drives in them. I’m entering university in January to study psychology but I have been doing my own research anyways, so what I’m trying to say here Kimani is that I came to the same conclusion as you did and then googled it and found this, which was very pleasing but at the same time I am a little annoyed you got there first, but I must say congratulations, and the fact that someone else has come to this conclusion too helps to re-affirm to myself that I am not going mad and obsessive over psychology. Thank you very much for this brilliant thread!
January 9, 2016 at 7:36 pm #91933JordanParticipantWait there is a bit of cognitive dissonance in my comment there. I am mad and obsessive over psychology 🙂
June 18, 2016 at 10:44 pm #107633KimaniParticipantI’m glad you find this interesting. As you can see I’ve added more archetypes since I first posted here and added more questions that deal with the new archetypes.
July 8, 2016 at 12:56 pm #109170KimaniParticipantThe summary section of my website
July 15, 2016 at 3:32 am #109715AuthorgirlParticipantInteresting : )
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