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July 29, 2018 at 4:14 am #219211AnonymousGuest
Dear caroline:
Your last paragraph to me, that is kind and thoughtful, empathetic. Thank you.
It is not true that I would rather not communicate with you. I want to communicate with you.
I sincerely believe whole heartedly that “its ok that (you) still want to live, to not give up yet and that (you) deserve to have a good life”, that you forgive yourself and that you no longer live a life that is “about shame and guilt”.
Regarding the move, I can see now how you can take it as my lack of faith in you. When I wrote to you that it is not likely that you move away, I wrote so because I think statistically people in your life situation do not move away, not being employed, limited money, a minor child, and family who help somewhat, financially, in-between-abuses. I was thinking statistically, in general, nothing to do with your courage or lack of, nothing to do with who you are outside the practical life circumstances.
I had another reason to write that to you: I was thinking this to myself: I don’t want caroline to feel that I am pushing her to move away. I don’t want to lose her because of such pressure. I want her to feel comfortable with me, and who knows (I was still saying this to myself, before and as I typed my previous post to you), maybe moving away is not the right thing to do, not anytime soon. So I will tell her that I don’t expect her to move away. This way, she will not feel pressure.
So you see, none of my thoughts was about me losing faith in you because of knowing more about you.
It is a good thing you told me what you thought I meant because it gave me the opportunity to tell you what it really was that motivated me to write to you what I did.
Back to the moving away idea, I am glad you are still considering it. Tying it to the talk about aggression with your daughter, I believe that the aggression item has to be resolved in your mind before moving away. It will be a bad idea to move away with her and proceed to fight on the way, bad idea.
You wrote that it is not realistic for you to not act aggressively toward her sometimes when angry. I hope this is not true, I really do. It is not realistic to expect to not feel angry with her, that is true. It is not realistic to expect your face and voice to not automatically respond angrily. But it is realistic to contain one’s anger, once felt, once noticed, and then soften the face, soften the voice and not proceed aggressively otherwise.
Problem with aggression toward your child is that one incident of aggression destroys all the good parenting work you have done. This is what aggression does, it destroys. So why bother being a good mother, as you have been much of the time, and then destroy it all in once incident?
Like I wrote in my last post to you, even if and once you do practice the No Aggression Policy I suggested, it will take a long time for her to trust you to contain your anger, to relax her own and to practice containing her own.
Your thoughts?
anita
July 29, 2018 at 8:39 am #219257AnonymousGuestDear caroline:
Double posting: I didn’t notice your recent post until now, the one about you not listening to your daughter, why don’t you, I didn’t quite understand.
Regarding the second part, our parents don’t know who we are, if they did, they wouldn’t be so wrong about us. Parents don’t get to know their children for a variety of reasons: from not caring to know, being too focused on themselves, not valuing the child as someone with feelings, all the way to the reason I didn’t listen to the child I love so much: it hurt me too much to hear him in distress, scared or hurt or disappointed. I was filled with too much anxiety to be able to listen. He did tell me repeatedly that I didn’t listen to him.
I wish I did. I wish I was able to listen then.
anita
July 29, 2018 at 1:35 pm #219291carolineParticipantJuly 29, 2018 at 1:45 pm #219293carolineParticipantoh im annoyed its erased my message, stupid laptop.
what i wrote was when i said i didnt listen to her, its during the times when things are heated between us, emotions are high, my anxiety has taken over, i feel angry, thats when i dont listen properly. As a general rule i listen to her definetly, on occasion i go into rescue mode, i fill in the blanks for her, i think i do this because over the time ive brought her up, she has a short concentration span and i want to be heard. most of the time i do listen to her honestly.
she is with me now, unexpected as i text her when we were already in amidst of a conversation via text about how she was feeling etc when i interrupted when was being spoken about to say to her the cat was going into labour. she asked to come and i said of course as long as she behaves, is calm and listens when i need her to. for the most part she has and i have been calm and letting her take lead alot of the time with the cat giving birth to five adorable kittens. it has gone well thank god and im looking at them now cradling each other. its really sweet. i wonder how long the sweetness will last though before i start feeling the stress with two cats and five kittens under my feet.
July 29, 2018 at 2:01 pm #219295carolineParticipanti can hear your regret for not listening to the child you love, dealing with your own pain to be available for their pain. its understandable you didnt listen to him repeatedly as you were trying to keep your self safe, not wanting your own wounds to become sore. i can defenitly relate to that.
ive just had an email from my ex. i knew it wouldnt be long before he started being demanding again and making me out to be an irresponsible, lazy and unfit mum. it hurt actually as lately it has been civil between us but its like im being criticised all over again, im crying inside, i hate him. i hate still having to have contact with him, ive resented him and the way he has treated me for so long, i was willing to try and be hopeful about change but its back to the same old crap. i responded and i wasnt as civil as i perhaps should be but im tired of how he gets the liberty to say whatever he wants and i just have to take it in the chin. i wasnt offensive but i was a bit sarcastic.he can handle it.
July 30, 2018 at 4:44 am #219367AnonymousGuestDear caroline:
Thank you for your understanding and empathy regarding what I shared with you. In your post before last, reads like you know what you are doing with your daughter, that you are aware, insightful and fair with her, assertive.
Regarding your most recent post, I think it is perfectly fine that you were sarcastic and unpleasant with your ex. No requirement that you will be civil with him! He is an adult, not a child and he has wronged you, so he doesn’t deserve civil. I hope he doesn’t initiate any more communication with you and that if he does, that you … will not be civil with him. There is a place for anger, people and situations where anger should be expressed.
Anger is not a bad feeling. I strongly believe that in the context of a mother and child, the mother should contain her anger, soften her voice and facial expression and so forth, no matter what. But in the context of the ex (as well as in the context of your mother and other adults) who disrespected and offended you, expressing your anger- in none physically violent ways- is fine and dandy, as far as I am concerned.
anita
July 30, 2018 at 6:18 am #219387AnonymousGuestDear caroline:
I want to add to my last two lines: I believe that expressing your anger at your ex as well as at any adult that clearly disrespected/ mistreated you is a good thing if done not in the presence of your daughter, so that she doesn’t witness it.
In addition to not being physically violent, it shouldn’t include name calling and put downs or yelling. I think it is acceptable to raise your voice, so that your voice is strong and clear, louder than normal volume, to have anger in your voice and in your face, to state: I am angry at you! To state why you are angry, and otherwise how you feel. To tell the person that he/ she harmed you and let them know what he said and did that harmed you. And it is okay to tell the person you don’t want to see or talk to him again, to not contact you again.
I believe it is healthy and appropriate to express anger this way, honestly and directly.
anita
August 10, 2018 at 8:37 am #220999carolineParticipantDear Anita
Im not sure if i should apologise for the delay in responding to you, trying to navigate relationships is confusing for me, i feel like i dont do enough or i do too much with other people. Your advice has been really helpful and i genuinely mean that. You have been very clear and about the feeling of anger and how to respond to it. i keep your advice in my head since and its working.
I have been feeling very upbeat, energised and made some good decisions just lately although today im struggling to keep the momentum going. This pattern of mine isnt just lately, ive been like this for a long time. I feel good when i have energy, motivated to get on with living my life, i think i exhaust myself as i end up feeling quite exhausted which is not what i want. this triggers the belief there is something wrong with me as being 38 means i should have lots of energy as I compare myself to others (i know this is really unhelpful with low self esteem)when im exhausted i get really down where im confronted with loneliness and emptiness. Then it feels like my negative thoughts take hold and then its just a downward spiral, thank god i can bounce back quickly though even if its worry that motivates me to move.
My therapist finally responded to me and said she feels like the client/therapist relationship broke down for her and beleives id be better off starting over with a new therapist, not what i wanted to hear at all. i feel quite regretful for how i was irresponsible as now i dont have her to go to. i also beleive she could have gave me another chance. i gave her one after all. If my own therapist cant even handle me and a supervisor who i had years ago wanted rid of me, what chance do i stand with people.
I feel envious of my the only friend i have. She always seems to be one step ahead of me, always gets luckier than me and it makes my small efforts seem worthless. Comparing again. i really do like her as a friend and i wish i didnt feel the envy that i do.
August 10, 2018 at 9:39 am #221023AnonymousGuestDear caroline:
No need to apologize to me about the time you take between the time I post to you and the time you reply. It so happens I reply quickly to members. I don’t expect the same. And so, in the future, remember: it is okay with me that you take all the time you need before you reply. It is okay with me, no apology needed.
You wrote that it is difficult for you to “navigate relationships”. It wouldn’t have been difficult if the people you interact with were as clear with you as I was in the first paragraph here. Be clear with others. (But notice, if you are clear with another, it doesn’t mean at all that he or she will change their ways and be clear with you).
When you feel very upbeat, keep in mind that it will not last indefinitely so you don’t get surprised when you no longer feel very upbeat or upbeat at all. And when that happens, you no longer feeling upbeat, don’t get alarmed, as if something unexpected or unnatural happened. After all, no one remains upbeat indefinitely, not even close.
So when that happens, accept it as something natural, like the expected, natural changing of the weather. The sun just hid behind some clouds and it is grey, for now. Let it be. Keep your mood as stable as possible, that is, avoid extreme highs and extreme lows, best you can.
Regarding your therapist, it is very likely that she made some mistakes with you. That wouldn’t surprise me at all.
Regarding comparing yourself to others, and your friend who “seems to be one step ahead of me, always gets luckier than me”- we are all in the same boat this way: we never know when we will get unlucky, when we get sick, for one. We can try our best to prevent such, but things happen. No one is perfectly safe and every wealthy person living in a mansion, every one of such lucky people, knows when they lie in bed alone, that all can be lost in a moment.
No human has gotten lucky enough to live in perfect safety, always upbeat. No human has been lucky enough to escape death. Better we make the best out of the lives available to us.
anita
August 19, 2018 at 8:09 am #222085AnonymousGuestDear caroline:
How are you?
anita
August 27, 2018 at 11:16 am #223265carolineParticipantHello Anita
I have wanted to come on here and write but I get very stuck when it comes to reconnecting, like i dont know where to begin and I question myself about what to say and what not to say, wanting it to flow but it seems too hard.
On a positive note, I feel like I have made some positive changes, small changes but enough for me to notice the difference in my mood. I am really working towards putting great distance between me and my family (apart from one sister and im still not sure about this) i am so glad you have encouraged me to do this. I hardly feel any guilt at all. They have unexpectedly turned up at my door once and they know something is definetly off, especially my mum. My mum is angry with me and right now I dont care as I think about all the times they have both hurt me too many times to mention. I honestly feel ok with leaving them behind. I know its still early days and im not quite confident enough to feel that i would be ok if i never saw them again but hopefully in time day by day the idea of this will seem easier to realise.
My daughter has been with me throughout most of the summer holidays (about five weeks out of six) and during this time it has been peaceful between us, there has been the odd time where she has been challenging but i dealt with it calmly and I can see that its worth it. I realise I have been taking alot of her attacks personally and havent been strong enough for her. I want to regain her trust and i know this will take time. I really beleive its helping both of us with not being around family members and i wish i had done this a long time ago but at the time i thought sacrificing my feelings for her to spend time with her cousins was worth it but i see now it wasnt.
Im hopefully starting a small part time job next week, its purely just for more income. It wont make a huge difference in my earnings but its a start. My priority is getting confident again around new people and new places, being in a better position financially and continuing this new approach with my daughter. I am nervous that her behaviour will change when she is back at school as it normally does as she struggles to feel like she belongs in a group at school and overcompensates by being very different to who she actually is. I understand though as school is tough and to survive it uses all your energy and focus. I wish though that she would have a hobby that she would stick at as I think she would feel happier.
August 27, 2018 at 11:41 am #223267AnonymousGuestDear caroline:
I understand about words not flowing, that go and stop then reverse, lots of friction or resistance in the desired free flow or emotions, thoughts and words. This sentence I just wrote just flew out of me. Huh.
I was only able to read a bit from your post because at this time of the day I am usually not focused. I will soon be off the computer, back in about 16 hours. I am looking forward to read your recent post attentively and will reply then. Take good care of yourself, please.
anita
August 28, 2018 at 5:52 am #223367AnonymousGuestDear caroline:
So good to read your very positive post!
“I am really working towards putting great distance between me and my family… My mum is angry with me and right now I don’t care as I think about all the times they have both hurt me… I honestly feel ok with leaving them behind”- excellent.
“My daughter.. it has been peaceful between us, there has been the odd time where she has been challenging but I dealt with it calmly and I can see that its worth it”- wonderful, you dealt with it calmly, excellent.
Your attitude is patient and gentle with yourself, and in so being, it is promising: “I know its still early days and im not quite confident enough to feel that I would be ok if I never saw them again but hopefully in time day by day the idea of this will seem easier“, regarding your mother and sister, and “I want to regain her trust and I know this will take time“, regarding your daughter.
I think that the fact that you have kept a distance between you and the ones mistreating you, that is, your mother and sister, made it possible for you to have this peaceful time with your daughter as the two issues are connected.
“I thought sacrificing my feelings for her to spend time with her cousins was worth it but I see now it wasn’t”- a valuable lesson! The best you can do, really, for your daughter is to feel as calm as possible in her presence and during interactions with her and to act calm no matter how you feel.
But to feel calm, you need to not be mistreated, or be reminded of past mistreatment, and that is what happens when you are in contact with your mother and sister, either they mistreat you again or the sight of them activates past mistreatment, a no win situation for you.
As your daughter returns to school, remain calm with her. Even if she yells at you, let’s say, assert yourself … but calmly. Calm assertion is strong assertion, unlike yelling at her in return, let’s say, that would be … loud but weak.
Keep doing what works for you. I am looking forward to another update from you, and hope it flows easily or easier than before.
anita
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