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  • #116038
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    Dear Joe:

    It’s been a long while since I read something that is written so well. I was amazed as I kept reading. I don’t remember your previous writings being so skillful and talented. I am moved by your writing- the content and the form. Humbled to be reading your account.

    You repeated through your thread soulless faces, one such mention: “soulless faces staring. Offering no comfort whatsoever. I was surrounded by Roarsch blots and they were soulless faces staring at me.”

    This very much reminds me of your drawings, that link to your drawings that you posted here long ago. I thought at the time those faces were waiting. Now I think they were those soulless faces.

    I was thinking, as I read your account, of Joe the child, in your family. I think those soulless faces were the faces of the people whose love you needed. The people you looked up to for comfort, guidance. But they offered “no comfort whatsoever.”

    That year, 2012/2013. You were afraid of going down the rabbit hole, insane. I think this is a real fear a child has, losing one’s ability to understand what is going on and do something about it.

    I have more thoughts about your amazing share. Will wait to read your thoughts and whether you are interested in more of my input.

    anita

    #116052
    Joe
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    Anita

    Thankyou for your reply. I love writing, I don’t really do as much writing as I should but I want to. And you know that I am always interested in reading your thoughts.

    As for the drawings – I think looking back, I didn’t really know what I was doing and I had no direction with my work, I was trying to make a lot of fantasy illustrations inspired by nature and Celtic myths but I think I was too heavily influenced by the work of other illustrators. Their work afforded me a glimpse into their imagination, their world and I wanted to be immersed in it. They were painting their truth, things that were true to them but I was just too heavily influenced. I wasn’t outright copying their work, I just hoped it would lead to me finding my own story to paint. I didn’t know what I really wanted to paint back then.

    Lately I’ve been making more of an effort to illustrate people taking action, or getting ready to bite back. I want to paint perfectly flawed, perfectly ugly, perfectly damaged characters who aren’t afraid of diving deep and unearthing more ugliness, and exposing the sinister inner ugliness of the so-called “shiny happy people”. I want to paint imperfect characters as a way of sticking their fingers up to the notion that we have to always project an image of being happy and subscribing to another persons notion of perfection. I’m perfectly imperfect with my flaws, inner and outer ugliness.

    I’ve painted a lot of tigers in the past few weeks or so and I feel fearless, as if by painting tigers I can assimilate the characteristics of the tiger into my own psyche. Have you ever read the poem by William Blake?

    I’ve painted owls. Owls are creatures of the night, and the general consensus is that they are wise creatures. Omnipresent. Seeing in the dark, seeing things as they are. Not being scared of the dark. I feel wiser from painting and drawing owls.

    I’ve also painted peacocks. Why peacocks? I’ve just always been fascinated by them, and the eye patterns on their elaborate tails. Eyes keeping a watch out. Eyes looking out for danger. Threats. Maybe the eyes are from the perceptions of other people, analysing and scrutinising. Peacocks are proud creatures, always controlled in the way they carry themselves. Pride is something I have thought a lot about over the past few weeks. Too proud to admit my flaws to other people, too proud to admit I need help sometimes and that I’m struggling. I won’t ever stop illustrating and creating art but pursuing it as a full-time job has to take a back seat at the moment because I’m not earning enough money and I was too proud to admit it.

    On the subject of eyes, I wanted to share with you a song by the Cocteau Twins, one of my favourite music groups – one lyric has significance for me in this song – “I see me as other people see me.” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yapze5PaFs

    First rabbits, now tigers, owls and peacocks…I’m almost tempted to claim that those are my spirit animals!

    I will start writing more. I need to get back into journalling, I used to love writing this stream of consciousness kind of stuff.

    Joe

    #116074
    Anonymous
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    Dear Joe:

    I read the first part of your latest post, about your illustrations. I think I understand. About your writing, I am genuinely impressed. I thought about your thread on my two hours walk today. It is hard for me to get over how well it is written. Really, I don’t need to look for any published material; I have done my quality reading today right here.

    It is not bedtime for me yet and I will answer other threads but I want to return to your thread tomorrow morning with a fresh brain and read parts of your original post as well as the rest of your last post, in 14 hours or so. Will write more then.

    anita

    #116141
    Joe
    Participant

    Anita

    I am glad you like my writing, and this gives me more encouragement to write more often. I would love to combine writing with my artwork – hopefully I will write and draw my own graphic novel someday, or maybe even a kids storybook. Sometimes when I write, I get triggers which I use to write more, and the more I write the more I can unearth things and view something from a different angle. I always said that if I didn’t do illustration at university, I would have probably done creative writing instead.

    I can’t wait to read more from you.

    Joe

    #116144
    Anonymous
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    Dear Joe:

    I enjoyed reading your second post as well. It is not only the form of your writing, the way you separate sentences so to create emphasis, for example. It is also the theme that fascinates me. This is why I am interested in reading anything you write. Your theme is unearthing the truth, seeing into the darkness, seeing all; not pretending, not faking so to appear this or that. These are my passions.

    You draw owls because they look into the darkness and they see what is there. They don’t sleep when it is dark or they don’t pretend the darkness is not there. peacocks with their many eyes, again, seeing. I want to open the link you posted and will do it by tomorrow.

    A combination of writing and illustrating, in a book to be published by you someday, that seems to me like a reasonable aspiration. It seems to me that you do have what it takes to produce such a creation and it will be beautiful and ugly and wise with lots of eyes…

    As to the poem about The Tiger by William Blake, I googled it and want to study it (my vocabulary is limited, for one)- again, will need to do it later.

    anita

    The Tiger (for later study):

    Tiger Tiger. burning bright,
    In the forests of the night;
    What immortal hand or eye.
    Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

    In what distant deeps or skies.
    Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
    On what wings dare he aspire?
    What the hand, dare seize the fire?

    And what shoulder, & what art,
    Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
    And when thy heart began to beat.
    What dread hand? & what dread feet?

    What the hammer? what the chain,
    In what furnace was thy brain?
    What the anvil? what dread grasp.
    Dare its deadly terrors clasp?

    When the stars threw down their spears
    And watered heaven with their tears:
    Did he smile His work to see?
    Did he who made the lamb make thee?

    Tiger Tiger burning bright,
    In the forests of the night:
    What immortal hand or eye,
    Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

    #116208
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joe, Tiger burning bright In the forests of the night:

    This is what I get from the poem, that you, Joe, are that tiger burning bright. Your art: your writing in particular, and secondly, your drawings- these are your fire burning bright.

    Those “soulless faces”- the term repeated in your original post, I am thinking these are the faces in the night that are not seeing the fire, the fire, your fire does not reflect in those faces, in those eyes.

    I am thinking of you as a child in your family, with your fire burning, your emotions intense, but your emotions, your internal experience was not reflected in the faces and eyes of your parents/ family members. You needed to be SEEN- needed to see your own fire in the eyes of another. And didn’t.

    Am I correct?

    anita

    #116218
    Joe
    Participant

    Anita

    I think you are right. I was just dismissed as being too sensitive or just immature but it’s taken me until now to realise that the way I react to things and feel things are just as they are. I don’t need validation or approval from anybody but myself.

    I attribute the tiger to my own stubbornness sometimes, especially when people are trying to tell me what I should and shouldn’t do. I don’t like people reminding me or pointing out my flaws or limitations – somebody I know and trust recently called me and we had a conversation where he told me why I shouldn’t pursue a particular course of action. I was upset and felt attacked when he was telling me this – I know he had my best interests at heart and I didn’t want to be reminded of my limitations. Sometimes I still find myself getting angry about this conversation even though it happened a month ago – how dare he point out my flaws and limitations? How dare he be so judgemental? How dare he scrutinize I’m aware of my own flaws and shortcomings but I don’t need to be reminded or told by other people because I have my pride. Tigers, like peacocks are proud creatures as well.

    But beyond all of this anger and defensiveness about my wounded pride, there was a valid message beneath it all – having to face up to reality. It’s a brutal sobering experience, having to wake up and face reality when I spent the past few months entertaining an extremely foolish course of action – I was planning to run away to teach English in China.

    I planned everything – I’d leave without saying goodbye and it would be the start of my brand new life and my career. I felt I had to take this because that’s what life is about, taking opportunities and raising the bar. I had my heart set on it for a few years. I first started reading articles on Tiny Buddha in late 2013/early 2014, right after the horrific year dealing with de-personalization and de-realisation. Articles and stories from people who just ‘went with the flow’ and went travelling and just said ‘f**k it I’m going to take this opportunity, screw the consequences’. At least, that was the vibe that I got.

    I thought to myself – “I really want to do that! To prove it to myself that I can do it. To escape from my problems.” Around that time I had gotten accepted onto that graphic design internship in Spain. Nothing like that had ever happened to me before. I wasn’t the kind of person who got accepted onto great opportunities or winning competitions or anything like that. It raised the bar for me and made me want to dream big. Dream unrealistic. I wanted to believe that because things in my life were less than ideal and things never went according to plan for me, it must all be a sign that I was destined for better things. I was so incredibly up my own arse.

    But I realise how incredibly foolish and reckless that could have been – the flights were provided by the learning institutions but I had no way of returning home if things didn’t go according to plan. I didn’t consider everything, I was just too focused on running away and starting a new life.

    China is off the cards for the foreseeable future, as much as I didn’t want to admit it. I’m not doing great with any of my freelance work. Realising this and facing up to what is – it seems dreadful at first and I wanted to avoid that dreadful feeling but it is as it is. Addressing my pride has compelled me to take action.

    It’s perhaps made me realise that making such a reckless impulsive decision, making bad decisions in general and not being careful with my finances might be a sign of bipolar or borderline personality disorder. I know I should seek further help about this but I need to swallow my pride first. Writing my experiences of 2012/2013 was my way of reminding me that I got through that rough patch in my life, I can get through this next one.

    Tigers are fiery, proud, wild and formidable but part of me thinks I’d rather be a tiger than be the timid rabbit I thought was leading me down into the rabbit hole in 2012/2013.

    What do you think?

    Joe

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by Joe.
    #116247
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joe:

    I think you are amazing, Joe. I mean it. You are a tiger; not living a full fledged tiger life yet, but a tiger nonetheless: fiery, proud, wild and formidable.

    I remember the China offer, you started a thread about it. In it I suggested that you do leave your family but not go as far as China, closer, Europe, Scotland, you wrote you want to travel there. Much closer. Maybe the USA. I didn’t like the China idea because the offer was so limited and iffy. It was not that I thought you were limited; the offer was.

    Whomever talked to you, reminding you of your limitations- for crying out loud (!) – you don’t need people reinforcing your fears. You need someone believing in you, infusing you with courage.

    In my last post to you I wrote: “You needed to be SEEN- needed to see your own fire in the eyes of another”
    I think if there was a person in your life who did see you and believe in you as the worthy young man that you are, intelligent, skillful, talented, creative, complex… and through the faith of that person in you… It is getting late and I have difficulty finding the words. Please let me know if I made sense to you on this post.

    I think what I am trying to say is that you’ve been alone for too long, and I am thinking maybe you need a special connection with another person so to … send you off to a life that will fit who you are.

    anita

    #116393
    Joe
    Participant

    Anita

    It’s a fine balancing act, needing to find the in-between of what it is I need to be and what I need in other people. It would be nice to be around people who encourage and believe in me but at the same time not discouraging me, feeding the fears or instilling too much encouragement. Lately I am thinking about the dynamics of many of my relationships. Most of which, they do all the talking 90% of the time. They are either talking down to me as if I am a clueless child, or they are talking AT me as if I am attending a lecture. I have things I’d like to add to the conversation but I can’t because they force the conversation on what they say, and I am never given an opportunity to add to the conversation. They will just waffle on for hours and then go off on a tangent, when it is my turn to speak they have changed the subject. I find it hard to follow through when people lecture me.

    This person I spoke of – I really don’t want to dislike him but there have been many times throughout the supposed friendship where we clashed or he rubbed me the wrong way, and now I start to doubt our compatibility as friends. Generally he talks in a patronising way and sometimes he just comes across as insensitive – he accused me of wanting to go for the China opportunity because I saw it as a vacation which I was really offended by, he thinks it is okay to ask questions about my earnings when I was always brought up on the idea that it’s rude to talk about money in social situations. He often makes annoying and very stereotypical remarks about my lifestyle choices and the kind of music I listen to – if he is not saying stupid things like “ROCK ON DUDE!” like he’s from that film Wayne’s World or something, he makes more idiotic comments that I’m a satanist (he is religious) and he is part of a friendship group I was part of two years ago but I really don’t want to be around. They are all quite judgemental towards others and I can’t help but wonder what they say about me behind my back when they are slagging other people off and scrutinising them. I’ve been avoiding them for the past year and it’s gotten to the point where I’ve told this person I’ve moved to another part of the country just to get out of going for nights out with these people because I genuinely don’t enjoy spending time with them.

    I don’t need validation or approval from everybody and it’s not my purpose in life to seek those things from people. I did that before and I became a junkie for approval. I guess what I’m trying to say is I don’t need constant compliments but I don’t need criticism where it’s not due. I’d just like to find people who are cool enough to let me get on and make my own choices and not push me around.

    I think I know what you are getting at about seeking a connection with another person – I guess I’m not looking for that kind of relationship with somebody else, at least not now. I’m too cynical and jaded about relationships in general and I don’t believe being in a relationship or being married is the be-all end-all, the fairytale ending where they live happily ever after…I just can’t spend too long around a person, I’d resent them or they would end up resenting me. The majority of people I have known end up intentionally or unintentionally dragging me down into their drama and bulls**t and I just can’t deal with somebody else’s drama on a 24 hour basis. I know I sound incredibly selfish but I’m just being honest, personal relationships aren’t for me at this time.

    I’ve reached a point in my life where I am happy being single and I don’t feel the need to explain myself. Society at large seems to have a problem with people who are single – if people aren’t in a relationship, they are clearly sad and lonely or they are some kind of freak and other people will take it upon themselves to play matchmaker without even considering their feelings.

    I was always made to feel inadequate for being single, back when my self-esteem and confidence were at their worst. I wasn’t attractive as a teenager – I was spotty, overweight and greasy and sometimes I’d be approached by girls who would say “My friend fancies you” when they were just clearly taking the piss. I’ve been in relationships before but they all ended. When I reached my twenties, other people started to act shocked about the fact I was single – “That’s so sad!” “Why are you single?” “Are you lonely?” “Are you gay?” “I’m going to set you up with somebody.” It’s also the same with my sense of humour – I am able to laugh at myself and be self-depreciating. The last time somebody asked why I was single, I said “They would have to be absolutely stark raving mad to consider being with me.” They were really shocked – “Oh my god, you can’t say that about yourself!” That is what I believe, somebody would have to be mad to put up with me – in fact, I insist upon it!

    I get it from relatives as well – “Ohhhhh you’re going to get married next!” “When are you getting married?” “When are you having kids?” People seem to make assumptions – “Oh, when you have kids you will……” or “When you get married….” I personally don’t believe in marriage and I don’t want kids. My aunt is under the impression that I’m supposed to be some kind of playboy and that I am constantly flirting and chatting up women and sleeping around. Every time I’m on my smartphone she always says “Ooooh, who are you texting? A new girlfriend we don’t know about?” “No, I was just looking on Amazon for art supplies?” Society dictates that’s what all young men should be like. I find that most men who subscribe to this idea are just vulgar and disrespectful.

    I learned to make peace with being single. I’m not unhappy. As far as I’m concerned I can do whatever the hell I want, I am single, it’s my choice and it doesn’t define me as a person. I don’t need relationships to define me. Me being okay with being single has meant that it’s my decision, it’s something I own, I’m in control and nobody else can take that away from me. Having said that, I’m not entirely against the idea of being not single, but it would have to be the right person and the right circumstances. Rather be single and lonely than spend time with people I really don’t enjoy spending time with.

    Joe

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by Joe.
    #116401
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joe:

    I enjoyed your witty humor in the sentence: ” That is what I believe, somebody would have to be mad to put up with me – in fact, I insist upon it!”

    When I wrote to you “maybe you need a special connection with another person so to … send you off to a life that will fit who you are.” – notice the last part: “to send you off to a life that will fit who you are”

    I was thinking a competent, empathetic therapist would be best. And I was also thinking, if such is not a possibility, then a person who will interact with you respectfully, empathetically, listen to you attentively, repeat what you say so that you know he/ she heard you and so forth. In other words, someone who will interact with you like a competent, empathetic therapist would, so that you can make the move you need to make next, alone, I was thinking.

    The idea that you should have a girlfriend or get married was not something I entertained. Neither was the idea that you spend more time with your family members or with the friends of the kinds you described.

    Which brings me to thinking, after reading your very last post: did you ever have an experience with a person who did hear you, listen to you, get you… someone who expressed empathy, understanding…?

    * People who lecture you, talking at you, patronizing you; someone who negatively criticizes you or others behind their backs (meaning they are likely to criticize you behind your back); people who go on and on about themselves, their dramas, ignoring you… those are not the people for you to be with, if I may say so.

    anita

    #116405
    Joe
    Participant

    Anita

    I have had a few wonderful understanding friendships – I had seeked them out as friendships because they were my kind of people. They also had not-so-shiny-and-happy pasts so they never judged. But sadly this was back at university and we have gone our separate ways now, they have moved on and the friendship just ceased. No other way to describe it. There was somebody I thought I could trust but he was the person I described in ‘a friendship that wasn’t really a friendship’. I even tried to get in touch with him a few months ago to apologise even though I can honestly say I had nothing to apologise for but he doesn’t want to know anymore.

    The only person I know who gets me is my best friend – we’ve been friends for 20 years now. We torture each other and irritate each other at the worst of times but she is the only person who makes any attempt to understand me.

    Joe

    #116409
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joe:

    You wrote about the friends you had, that they “also had not-so-shiny-and-happy pasts so they never judged.”-

    Interesting to me, because the people who do judge, the family members and friends you described, I don’t think they had “shiny and happy pasts”- it is that they refuse to look into the darkness and instead bounce the darkness off them by mistreating another.

    About the last friend, you wrote that she is the only person who makes any attempt to understand you. This is a great improvement over a person who makes no such attempt, yet the friend of the type I am writing about is one who attempts and is successful in understanding you.

    I learned the following principle, as I will verbalize it next: the good friends you have and the one friend you still have- in comparison to the other people in your life- have been and are great friends, but you only know what you know, what you already experienced. What you don’t know is what you didn’t experience yet, a closer friendship, more empathy, more understanding…

    anita

    #116462
    Joe
    Participant

    Anita

    You are right, I only know what I know – I learn and experience in my own time and nobody else’s. Other people just seem intent on spoon-feeding me because they have more experience than I do – which is fair enough but I would rather learn from my own experiences than being told by other people.

    It’s interesting how you suggest that the people who are so judgemental didn’t have shiny happy pasts, these people who seemingly have everything. It never really occurred to me I guess, I just thought some people were mean and judgemental and too conservative just for the sake of being those things.

    I don’t know for certain what causes them to act so judgemental – insecurity? Peer pressure? Take this person who called me and made me doubt myself – I think he was always pressured to act and behave in a certain way and pushed to succeed, he must also faced a lot of scrutiny from everybody growing up and now he has a high-profile job, the pressure and scrutiny to do well all the time with no margin for error. Being somebody who often thinks the worst in people, I just thought he was being a smug arsehole just for the sake of being that.

    My older sister – she was always the nice one, the pretty one, the girl who was popular, loads of friends and always went to parties. Is it that she had a lot to live up to, being the popular girl? Did she feel insecure and couldn’t allow herself to be flawed for fear that they would look down on her and say mean things?

    Is them being judgemental and condescending their way of avoiding their own insecurities of feeling scrutinised? Do they judge according to how they fear they might be judged?

    I never really thought about it that way. I always thought that they just act that way because they can.

    This is interesting. I have a lot to think about now. Thankyou for helping me to reach this viewpoint.

    What do you think?

    Joe

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by Joe.
    #116475
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Joe:

    Regarding ” I would rather learn from my own experiences than being told by other people.” I don’t think there is any way to learn the things that count in life (that is beyond trivia and book knowledge) except by personal experience. When people spoon feed you with .. life lessons, what they are teaching you in practice is that you are a baby that needs to be spoon fed (while their shirts are splattered with food morsels they missed while eating themselves).

    So yes, anything I suggest is for your experimentation, your personal experiencing.

    You wrote: ” I just thought some people were mean and judgemental and too conservative just for the sake of being those things.” For the sake of deflecting their own meanness and judgment off themselves.

    You wrote: “Is them being judgemental and condescending their way of avoiding their own insecurities of feeling scrutinised?” Yes, I agree.

    You wrote: “Do they judge according to how they fear they might be judged?”- I say: they judge according to how they judge themselves already, past and present.

    Basically, there is this mental entity called the Inner Critic that takes after our parents/ older siblings, people who were very powerful over us when children. If they were abusive, our own inner critic is abusive (I refer to the abusive inner critic as the Inner Bully). What people do is distract the Inner Bully from bullying themselves by keeping it busy bullying others.

    * This too, what I wrote here, is not intended to spoon feed you. A tiger does not accept spoon feeding! This is one reason why I wrote to you before that you are indeed a tiger. (A tiger is also not a herd animal, and you are clearly not). But there is no way for me to communicate with you other than words, sharing my understanding and experience. It is up to you to take any of my sharing to the higher level, the only level that counts: your own intellect, you own testing.

    anita

    #116566
    Joe
    Participant

    Anita

    I don’t think of your suggestions as spoon-feeding at all. I think of your suggestions as signposts and directions. You don’t force me to take a particular course of action or pressurise me into taking a particular direction. I don’t mind receiving advice from you at all. You allow me to make up my own mind about things, and that’s why I really enjoy our correspondence.

    My course of action now is to find a job. I recently started volunteering at a charity/thrift shop again and I’ve missed working in a place like that, to get out the house and hopefully it will lead to me finding a paid job – I’d much rather find work that involves interacting and engaging with something other than a computer screen. Even carrying large bags to the staff area – I find that I enjoy it. I’m also considering applying to do my masters next year. I’m taking action and that’s better than not taking action. It’s better than waiting, like those illustrations I used to make.

    Maybe I should start drawing magpies, they are adept at seeking things. Maybe I should start drawing chameleons, they adapt to their surroundings, just as I will need to adapt to all of the job descriptions when I will go for interviews.

    Anita, thanks again for your insight. Words can’t describe how grateful I am for how you have helped me to see the light on many areas in my life over the past year or so – I’ve grown. A lot.

    I always look forward to reading your responses

    Joe

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