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April 7, 2022 at 2:08 pm #397223
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GuestDear Lloyd:
You believe in heaven? What is heaven like, in your mind?
anita
April 7, 2022 at 5:41 pm #397229Lloyd
ParticipantHello anita, was in a more frazzled state of mind when i made this although it is indeed an issue i deal with. amazing to see you are still sharing your wisdom and compassion on this forum, hope you are well <3
yes, i do believe in heaven. i think of it as an immaterial paradise realm where spirits go upon death if they have lived compassionate lives. i suppose suicide isn’t very compassionate toward yourself though, now that i think of it…
April 7, 2022 at 7:08 pm #397234Anonymous
GuestDear Lloyd:
I am well, thank you for your kind words. If heaven is a realm where spirits who lived compassionate lives go upon death, then be compassionate in life, toward yourself and toward others, and you will have a piece of heaven on earth.
anita
April 7, 2022 at 9:12 pm #397247Anonymous
InactiveHi Lloyd
Has life been difficult for you recently? Would you like to talk about it?
April 8, 2022 at 7:32 am #397254Anonymous
GuestDear Lloyd:
“Yes, I do believe in heaven. I think of it as an immaterial paradise realm where spirits go upon death if they have lived compassionate lives” –
– More than 2 years ago, on January 8, 2020, you were repulsed (and no wonder) by what humans have done to the world, “repulsed by the human race’s capacity for selfishness… famine still continues today— as does climate change, escalating political instability… My resolution has been to try and help people as best I can“.
Since you wrote the above, the pandemic became a worldwide reality; climate change has been escalating beyond what was predicted, extreme whether events are frequent and evident everywhere, record heat, droughts, floodings, storms and the resulting destruction and suffering and the promise of more; and political instability has been increasing along with climate change. In all of this, humans in positions of power are still too selfish to do what is right for life of earth. No wonder heaven sounds appealing.
On January 11, 2020. you were planning to start therapy in March that year, you wrote: “I spend so much time thinking about saving the world, but I realise I cannot help a single soul without putting my own needs first… it’s hard, perhaps especially as a man, to accept that you are a human being with emotions and that it’s really okay to need help and to ask for help. But I’m ready now” – I am guessing that you did not start therapy because of the pandemic, and/ or perhaps you feel that considering the alarming state of our world, the mental health of one individual is not important?
anita
April 8, 2022 at 12:41 pm #397356Roberta
ParticipantDear Lloyd
I wonder how many compassionate actions one has to do to get to your heaven?
Have you ever seen an image of 1000 armed Chenrezig? I imagine that for every compassionate action I take I grow one arm but when I am unskillfully or do something prattish an arm disappears this helps to keep me on my path. Teachings on precious human birth help me with perspective. Anyway I still have only two arms so I have got a long way to go to get to your heaven.
April 9, 2022 at 3:39 am #397381Lloyd
ParticipantHi Anita,
You’re right, it’s such a basic flaw in my thinking that i simply wasnt recognising. Of course being compassionate to myself is a necessary part of compassion, so killing myself would be quite… ill-advised. Besides, this body is property of the universe really, not quite mine.
You;re also very right about the ways the world has gotten worse, thank you for empathising with that and how it impacts my state of mind. i’ve actually been very fortunate in terms of getting support, enough to now be on my second round of therapy. they have helped a lot, but i’m still not in recovery yet (getting there!). i have really come to see, respect and honour the important of putting myself first and tending to my mental health in this time, so i suppose i was right when i said i was ready to start doing that.
it’s a shame that these thinsg havent been enough to stop me feeling suicidal, but it is only quite occasionally these days (maybe once a week or two, unless something traumatic has just happened)
April 9, 2022 at 3:52 am #397383Lloyd
ParticipantHi Roberta,
thank you for your response. I definitely wouldnt claim to know! all i can say is that going by near-death experiences and buddhist/neurological insights about the inherent goodness of people, i would imagine that most people are compassionate enough to get there. i think the important thing is probably just to be more kind than unkind. Do you have any thoughts on what happens beyond death?
I have just looked up 1000 armed Chenrezig and teachings on human birth. thank you. the chenrezig imagery is very cool and is definitely an ideal we can all strive towards, i like the visualisation of growing and losing arms you talk about. nonetheless, i dont hold myself or anyone else to the standard of getting to 1000 arms! i feel the universe is quite forgiving.
i suppose the teachings on human birth drive home why suicide is a waste; it’s wasting a precious thing. and silly me in my silly little suicidal state of mind even forgot how much it would hurt the people who love me… another way it wouldnt be compassionate. you really lose sight of these things when you’re in the middle of suicidal ideation.
April 9, 2022 at 3:57 am #397384Lloyd
ParticipantHi Helcat,
many thanks for responding. when is life not difficult! haha. yes, very much so. a more difficult time for my family than perhaps it’s ever been. in the past 6 months I’ve lost my sister, my dad’s been found out to have cheated on my mum for decades, i was broken up with by my partner, my friend has been diagnosed with terminal cancer, my mum’s fallen out with her sister and my mum and brother have fallen into a bit of a depression. when i type all that out and read it, im surprised im still here to be honest, let alone maybe better than ever mentally (although still depressed).
April 9, 2022 at 7:50 am #397386Anonymous
InactiveHi Lloyd!
Thank you for taking the time to reply in this period of intense stress. I’m very sorry for the losses you and your family are experiencing. That is a lot of trauma for any one person to experience in 6 months! No wonder you have been feeling frazzled and experiencing suicidal ideation.
I hope that you are taking special care of yourself in these times of intense stress? There’s also no shame in seeking out professional support if you or your family feel so inclined.
I’m curious, in what way is your mental health better than ever?
April 9, 2022 at 8:07 am #397387Lloyd
ParticipantHi Helcat,
Thank you for responding with compassion <3 yeah it is a lot of trauma to be honest, however, although it all hurts, i have gotten better at bouncing back from things as a result of working on myself and therapy which im currently doing. i don’t mean bouncing back into productivity, i know my feelings are important. i mean more, bouncing back into a place of relative centredness from which i can experience and savour positive emotions.
the thing is, i feel like im ALWAYS in a period of intense stress, so i’m somewhat used to it. like, i dont really know what taking special care of myself would like look and whether it’s appropriate since there always seems to be something i’m super stressed about (i have very little emotional stability, even though it is improving).
what does taking special care of yourself look like for you?
April 9, 2022 at 11:40 am #397406Anonymous
InactiveHi Lloyd!
It’s good to hear that you are finding it easier to centre yourself even while you’re in the midst of some challenging circumstances.
There are many types of self-care, from managing basic needs such as sleep, health, food, exercise, showering and socialising. To practicing self-soothing techniques like meditation, journaling or aromatherapy. Beyond that is any activity that you find relaxing or enjoyable such as treating yourself to your favourite food, watching a comedy and any hobbies. Even going to therapy is practicing self-care. Taking a break and saying no I’ll do something later when needed is also self-care.
Personally, I like the outdoors. I’m like a dog, I’ll be sad if I don’t go outside for my walk. I practice meditation and journaling. I enjoy reading and watching tv to relax. A scented candle is nice way to relax before bed. My husband found manly scented candles we both love! They have scents like beer and cigarettes and whisky. Also, I go to an acupuncturist and chiropractor to manage my health.
I think it’s always a good idea to include self-care in your daily routine. But when I’m feeling particularly stressed I tend to do one or two extra things since the goal of self-care is to help us manage our emotions.
Do you do any self-care activities already that you perhaps didn’t realise were self-care?
April 9, 2022 at 3:19 pm #397419Anonymous
GuestDear Lloyd:
“Being compassionate to myself is a necessary part of compassion” – yes, it is!
“You’re also very right about the ways the world has gotten worse, thank you for empathising with that and how it impacts my state of mind” – you are welcome.
“I’ve actually been very fortunate in terms of getting support, enough to now be on my second round of therapy, they have helped a lot… I have really come to see, respect and honour the importance of putting myself first and tending to my mental health in this time” – I am so glad to read this!!!
“So, I suppose I was right when I said I was ready to start doing that” – yes you were right!
I hope to read more and more from you, anytime you feel like posting and sharing, please do!
anita
April 20, 2022 at 1:04 am #398463Lloyd
ParticipantHi Helcat,
Many thanks for this! Those candles sound cool haha. I’m so glad you have found many ways to look after yourself. I think yeah I do practice self-care on a daily basis, having read this list, which is probably why I’m still hanging in there. I wish it always enough to keep suicidal thoughts at bay, but I’m still grateful for what I have.
April 20, 2022 at 1:43 am #398464Lloyd
ParticipantHi Anita,
Your enthusiasm is so beautiful, thank you!
Sending so much love to both of you and the entire community. Today I’m so exhausted, uncomfortable, cynical, heartbroken, and still I’ve been able to smile.
Life is revealing itself to me every day and it’s confusing, tiring, weird and amazing. I wish it was easier. I wish I could hold onto things forever in my arms and never have to let go. Life is so painful and tragic and crazy. I’m so tired of being tired and sick of being sick. I’m proud of myself and of everyone who keeps going. I’m proud of people who did their best and weren’t able to keep going. Despite it all, I’m proud of humanity.
Sometimes it all feels like a cruel joke or game, and I lose sight of any sense of meaning. There are two sides of me, one seeped in nihilism and the other an ever-hopeful optimist. I don’t know who’s right but I really hope there is some meaning to it all.
I keep returning to my childhood. Standing around in shops looking with wonderment at mundane products, waiting for my family to buy things. The music in videogames. The smell of rain. Feeling safe around my dad, laughing at his jokes. Seeing rainbows and wondering how they worked. Feeling like an outcast in school.
I can’t believe how human i am. I cant believe how imperfect i am. I can’t believe life is so long and so short, and that everything i do or say will likely someday be no more than a flash in the pan.
I took magic mushrooms a few months back and had this insane experience ive never talked about because i dont know how to talk about it, i cant put it into words. it was like i was in a play or a novel. I felt what it means when we say “all the world’s a stage”. I saw, felt and experienced countless rooms and tunnels embodying my psyche, as labyrinthian as any other person’s. the room i was most frightened of but also incredibly drawn to was a room in a hospital with a bed in it. this room had so much gravity. it pulled everything slowly towards it and was so heavy and made myself and everything around it heavy along with it. I felt the presence of the grim reaper and I sensed that this is all for nothing. And i felt agony at the thought. I try so hard, we all try so hard to make something of our damn lives. And i just hope so desperately that it’s all for something. I hope there’s a reason for me to get out of bed in the morning and push through my pain and exasperation at the state of my body and the world in order to do something like write this out, or listen to my mum, relate to others, connect with people.
Thinking about existence and meaning has become an incredibly psychedelic and haunting experience. Why am I here? The question is so basic and so cliche but I cannot escape it.
Depression is a joke. Nothing feels real anymore. But writing this felt pretty close to real. Writing this is in a way the most real I’ve felt in a long time. It feels good to get it out and feel seen by beings so compassionate as people like you both. I’m so incredibly grateful for and in awe of people like you. Thank you <3
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