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November 13, 2017 at 9:36 am #177945AnonymousGuest
Dear Junsheng:
You wrote about your behavior toward your ex girlfriend: “I did not call her names, physically, or verbally abuse her – but I have often been unable to keep my temper in check whenever I am in distress…I have also been guilty of shutting her out (silent treatments)”.
I suppose your mother gave you the silent treatment that time, when she didn’t speak with you for a few weeks.
When people experience distress, they respond in different ways: some respond in overtly aggressive ways, others respond in covertly aggressive ways. The loving way to respond, when one is angry at another, is in an honest, assertive and responsible way. To talk about it (not to execute the silent treatment), to gather and verify information (not to assume and automatically blame), to consider one’s responsibility for the problem as well as the other’s, and to allow oneself and the other the opportunity to correct their behavior, when wrong.
If you hold on to the perception that your parents are “absolutely wonderful people”, then you figure that your impatience with them is evidence that there is something fundamentally wrong with you, that you are an unloving man, a bad person, perhaps.
It is a big step toward mental health and future healthy and loving relationships to figure see reality more and more closely to what it is. It is only when you see your parents as less than absolutely wonderful, perfectly perfect, that you are able to see yourself as one who was born good and loving.
anita
November 13, 2017 at 9:22 pm #178005AnonymousInactiveHi anita,
Thanks for your comment. I guess I don’t see my parents as ‘perfectly perfect’ like you mentioned. However, I do see that we love each other unconditionally. Certain situations may have triggered my mum’s reaction (silent treatments) towards me, and I completely understand why. I do feel that I did do something wrong/flawed back then to trigger her reaction towards me that way. Looking back, I can understand it.
In a way, I am starting to forgive myself more – giving myself more leeway to ‘screw things up’. It’s only human nature that we are flawed, but accepting that one can make mistakes, recognize those mistakes, and take steps to remedy them is more important to me. Whatever applies to me, also applies to other people. So I am trying to see that people around me should also be given the same ‘treatment’ that I give to myself.
A quote in the show ‘Masters of Sex’ stuck out to me. It reads: You’re not your worst part. The way I understood this quote is that people have good and bad in them, and that we should not try to judge people based on their flaws. Of course, how much leeway I will give to people depends on how much I love them and whether I care enough to keep them in my life. I love my parents and they will always be my parents, so I do have a lot of reason to keep them around. My parents have always inspired and supported me. Even if we don’t tell each other that, I know that we love each other.
Perhaps, instead of thinking that there is something fundamentally wrong with me, I should accept my faults and try to make myself better everyday. What are your thoughts?
November 14, 2017 at 3:50 am #178009AnonymousGuestDear Junsheng:
I am glad you asked for my thoughts (I have plenty of those…)
You wrote: “Certain situations may have triggered my mum’s reaction (silent treatments) towards me… I did do something wrong/flawed back then to trigger her reaction towards me that way”-
I will be making a very important point about your quote and I hope you pay attention to it. I hope you focus on the following and consider it, take it best you can, because, I believe, it can be of great help to you:
When your mother gave you the silent treatment (a form of punishment, a covert way of aggression), she did not react to you doing something wrong. It was she who did something wrong.
She was the actor of wrong doing, not the reactor.
It is not until you realize this point, that you can assume correct responsibility in your present life, in all your relationships. Until you realize this point, you will tend to believe you are responsible for more than you are, carry on false responsibility, and burdened by such guilt, alternately blame yourself and others, back and forth.
Taking the correct responsibility for your behavior is fundamental.
You wrote: “Perhaps, instead of thinking that there is something fundamentally wrong with me, I should accept my faults and try to make myself better everyday”-
You believe that “there is something fundamentally wrong with (you)” because you took responsibility for your mother’s actions and called them reactions to you being .. fundamentally wrong.
anita
November 14, 2017 at 5:57 am #178023AnonymousInactiveHi anita,
Thanks for getting back. You mean to say that no matter the circumstances, the actor of wrongdoing is always wrong?
I ask this because I have often justified my reactions towards others not as wrong actions themselves, but as proper reactions towards a specific situation. Now I see that wrong actions, even seemingly neutral ones (such as getting upset) are simply wrong. You are suggesting I take the right responsibility for my life – I think that is very helpful advice.
Every time I read one of your replies to my comments I start crying, but I have no idea why. It feels like a form of catharsis, somehow.
November 14, 2017 at 6:24 am #178025AnonymousGuestDear Junsheng:
“getting upset”, feeling anything is never wrong. Feelings are never wrong. Only behavior can be wrong.
Feelings happen to us without our choosing, therefore they are not right or wrong.
No choice= no right/wrong.
Some people are impulsive and react automatically, or almost automatically. They feel something and immediately act, without thinking, considering, evaluating. They react automatically to what they feel.
Considering the specific of a child and parent- a child is born with the biological need to be physically taken care of by the parent, dependent on the parent for survival. This means that a child is born with the motivation to please the parent, to be liked and loved by the parent. To hurt a parent would risk the child’s chances of physical survival.
When a parent is aggressive toward the child, unloving, the child is greatly threatened, because of his dependence on the aggressive, unloving person. What happens next is that the child makes believe the parent is safe and loving and is only reacting to the child’s faultiness, defectiveness, badness and so forth. And so, if the child becomes good, then the parent will be a safe, loving parent.
So the child tries and tries, but occasionally the aggression against the child repeats. The child keeps trying, holding on to any and every seemingly loving act by the parent as proof of that love the child needs so desperately, be it food, as it often is. A smile here and there, a word.
In the context of a child and parent (except, maybe, for detectable brain abnormalities a child may be born with), the parent is always the actor and the child is the reactor. Aggression is always initiated by the parent, acted by the parent and it is always a wrong doing.
anita
November 14, 2017 at 6:33 am #178027AnonymousInactiveHi anita,
I’m not a child anymore though so sometimes I look back at what my parents have done for me and can’t help but blame myself for what happened. I will take the right responsibility in the meantime.
I feel like I’m crying out of nowhere every single night. Not sure what is happening.
November 14, 2017 at 6:42 am #178029AnonymousGuestDear Junsheng:
You are not a child anymore, you wrote. Your brain though was formed when you were a child. The beliefs about who you are were formed then and exist now.
Post again anytime.
anita
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November 14, 2017 at 6:52 am #178033AnonymousInactiveHi anita,
Besides consciously recognizing that I need to take the right responsibility, that feelings are not wrong in itself – is there anything I can and should do? To help myself, I mean.
November 14, 2017 at 7:36 am #178035AnonymousGuestDear Junsheng:
You asked if there is anything you can and should do to help yourself. Will you at this point define or redefine what you need help with? Take your time with this, if you need to.
anita
November 16, 2017 at 2:11 am #178307AnonymousInactiveHi anita,
I have realised a lot about myself through my conversations with you, my friends, and my counselor. A combination of all these and a desire to improve myself has led me to think a lot. I realised that since the past, I have had a lot of issues, especially with low self-esteem. I think that is one of the main issues that has drove my behavior and my thoughts. I never realised the consequences of what I have been doing on myself and on other people. I still can’t let go of my ex for some reason. Accepting that she is gone is difficult for me. The potential for regret in the future is too much that I feel like I should do something, somehow. My counselor suggested that if I have to juggle between acceptance and possible future regret, that maybe I should make a plan. I’m thinking to set a date, sometime about 5 or 6 months from now – that I will contact her again. Maybe not to get back together, but to know each other again after some time has passed. The chances are slim, and I don’t want to bank too much on it as well. However, making a plan might be beneficial for me as well.
As for my previous question, I meant – should I be doing what I am doing now? I want to become better – not necessarily for her, but for myself too. I’m afraid that constantly thinking about it will drive me down a hole. However, not thinking about it just result in me dreaming about her at night.
November 16, 2017 at 5:50 am #178325AnonymousGuestDear Junsheng:
You seem to believe that when there is a problem, it is you who are the problem (“the problem is with me, and not her”
In the relationship with your ex girlfriend you presented yourself as The Guilty One and she as the guiltless, same with your parents.
You can’t have healthy relationships when you automatically take on responsibility for anything that goes wrong, for any distress, any problem, any unpleasantness. A healthy relationship has to include each party discussing and becoming aware of their contribution to a problem.
We do not live in a world where all problems are caused by one Junsheng, do we?
I hope you explore this belief, this Core Belief you have, in quality counseling. Until you do and then correct it, you can’t have a healthy, loving relationship and you will continue to suffer greatly, as you have.
anita
November 16, 2017 at 6:22 am #178335AnonymousInactiveHey anita,
Thank you for your reply. I will continue to work on this belief and see how it is affecting and contributing to my distress now.
November 16, 2017 at 6:27 am #178339AnonymousGuestDear Junsheng:
You are welcome. You can, if you’d like, at any time, share about how this belief came about.
anita
November 16, 2017 at 8:19 am #178357AnonymousInactiveHi anita,
I actually started thinking more about what you mentioned earlier about ‘taking the right responsibility’. While it may seem like I am blaming myself excessively now, that wasn’t always the case.
When I think about how I used to be, I realised that it has always been very difficult for me to take the blame. I used to exhibit behavior that was not right (e.g. silent treatment to my ex) but even though I knew it was not right, I seldom apologized or owned up for my mistakes. There was always a reason or a justification for why I was acting out that way that I can tell myself, and thus, I am always able to deflect the behavior and blame someone else.
If I were to think about it, I would say that this belief originated from a previous relationship, where I was always kept on my toes. My previous relationship (let’s call her A) was with another deeply-flawed individual as well. She was constantly insecure about the people I hung out with. As I work in a place with more females than males, A was very insecure about the amount of time I am spending around other girls. She constantly questioned where I was, stopped me from texting other people (even if it was about work), and it was basically a toxic relationship where we stopped each other from being ourselves. While we eventually broke up after 3 years, I went into the next relationship (let’s call her J) with some messed up thoughts about how a relationship is supposed to work.
When I first got together with J, I would constantly ‘report’ my whereabouts to her, even though she didn’t ask for it. This was habitual from my previous relationship with A. Another ‘strategy’ that I had adopted from my relationship with A was to get angry first before she could. That worked as a coping mechanism when I was with A, because I was so worn out by constantly defending myself about the things I do that I felt like I had to do that to preempt her abusive behavior (physical and verbal). I felt like I should have realized that was not normal behavior and fixed it before I got together with J.
I guess I carried the toxic behavior from my relationship with A to my relationship with J. What changed was that now, I didn’t have to exhibit the behavior I had when I was with A – but I guess I did. I didn’t realize it then, but it is clear now. J was good for me, and now that she left, I have to take a long and hard look at myself. For once, there is no one to blame but myself. Maybe the thoughts of inferiority came about because when I turned around and looked introspectively at myself, I realize that J is not an easy target to blame. I love her, and she almost never let me down. Even if I want to blame her, the instances which I got upset with her could boil down to a difference in personality. In the early stages of the breakup, I got angry and I tried to blame her. After awhile, I realised that I couldn’t. If there is nothing wrong with her, then there must be something wrong with me, right?
Now that you mention taking the right responsibility, I am reevaluating the situation again and trying hard to know what I should feel responsible for, and what should I let go.
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