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May 13, 2019 at 11:23 am #293571AnonymousGuest
Dear Cali Chica:
Lets end the exercise for now. You did well here. Better give it time now, to rest and process later, when rested. What do you think?
anita
May 13, 2019 at 11:40 am #293577Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I agree. Thank you.
It has got me thinking some things, and I will ponder and let it sink in.
May 13, 2019 at 11:42 am #293579AnonymousGuestYou are welcome, Cali Chica. Later then!
anita
May 13, 2019 at 1:20 pm #293595Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Oh I forgot to say – it is the 13th is the month. I feel good and proud about NC/NA today. I feel it is a good day to give myself credit as well as appreciate change in internal and external life.
May 13, 2019 at 2:07 pm #293603AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
Congratulations!
anita
May 14, 2019 at 4:33 am #293655Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
The work is happening and I love it.
I had a dream, or something of that sort, right before I woke up. It was my father talking to me, scolding me, as an adult, in real life at this age – as though Iwas a child. At first glance it felt normal, obvious – this is what happens. But as I began to “awaken” more whether it was awaken from sleep – or in my dream…I thought of this:
my parents “tried” to raise a good child, not a good adult
I read this last night before falling asleep. In reality my parents didn’t really try to raise a good child for the sake of the child – but that we know. But in terms of this dream, and my point this morning – I was treated as a child. I did not know this. I thought it was caring parents.
In this dream my father is scolding me, big red bulging eyes – anger – fire steaming. I am there, crouching slightly as I am scolded. At the same time there is a twinge of guilt and sadness in my fathers eyes – almost saying I am so angry but so sad! I don’t know what to do – how to react – but ROAR.
My father – was angry from a world of repressed emotions starting from his childhood. It is a fact, and the way he treated us was as an “adult” if it was convenient – but as a child if there was something that made him uncomfortable – which happened the majority of the time.
I of course struggle with many adult things i.e. how to balance a marriage, focus on my husband – because I was raised as a child, the whole time.
May 14, 2019 at 6:38 am #293669AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
I didn’t understand, “my parents ‘tried’ to raise a good child, not a good adult.. I was raised as a child, the whole time”- can you explain it to me?
anita
May 14, 2019 at 6:51 am #293671Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
What I mean by this is that they kept me as a child.
Even as a grown woman about to get married, my father talked to me and belittled me as a young child. Never respected that I had my own autonomy and abilities. It is funny how they “talked so much” about how important it is to make it out in the world. And I did – and of course, this was not greeted with applause, but taken as a threat.
I recall being at my aunts house one day, a strange day – and my father talking to my uncle:
“oh we would never let her marry someone like him if it wasnt for her age – because of her age I guess that she has to settle for what she can get…”
I recall during the whole wedding process, them being happy and boasting when things were on their side, but in reality, treating me like an infant. My mother calling and threatening me – and once seeing that unlike a 5 year old that goes and hides, I am a capable adult — would become even more enraged – and try harder – shoot more.
This was common in India, when we went for my wedding shopping – if you recall the trip that you said would be a terrible idea – well of course!
My mother and father had me in their room screaming at me one at a time, throwing “punches” one goes, then the next then the next…lets see how much we can break her down! not that any child should be treated this way – but not talking to me as an adult.
ironically though when I was young, my mom would play victim and I would have to play the “adult” role – as soon as she felt threatened she would exclaim “you are NOT MY MOTHER who do YOU think you are.. stop telling me what to do – acting like you have it all figured out – go look in the mirror at yourself and all your problems..”
May 14, 2019 at 7:26 am #293681AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
“when I was young, my mom would play victim and I would play the ‘adult’ role… she would exclaim: ‘you are NOT MY MOTHER who do YOU think you are… go look in the mirror”-
– you were a child and you saw your mother as a hurt child, so you tried to help her and she attacked you. You tried to help her. She didn’t say thank you. She attacked you.
Your father said regarding your husband: “oh we would never let her marry someone like him if it wasn’t for her age- because of her age I guess that she has to settle for what she can get”- so your father sort of sent you to this marriage with his special blessing, the message that you are marrying someone inferior.
This is probably part of the reason you did feel that your husband is an inferior choice, too short for once, you shared earlier. And part of the reason you treated him as a less-than.
Your father belittled your husband and you (“my father talked to me and belittled me as a young child”).
… When you tried to help your mother, that was a loving act on your part, one coming from the soft part of you. When she responded by attacking you, she hit you right in that soft part. It hurts the most to be hit where it is soft.
anita
May 14, 2019 at 7:35 am #293683Cali ChicaParticipantDear anita,
Yes, it does hurt to be hit where soft.
As far as my husband, my father praised him so much – and often put me down – until the very end – when things got bad during the wedding planning – not that they werent to begin with but you know what I man, at that time it was full out against him.
Heres an example of the back and forth, cruel unpreditable wavering behavior.
My in laws were once at my house and we had gotten into a big argument regarding the hotel accommodations for guests for the wedding, My father started exclaiming to my in laws – well fiances parents at the time —
“what kind of daughter treats her own parents like garbage. look at this! do you see her. she is an embarassment. I dont know what we did so bad in this life to deserve her.”
my in laws were speechless..
yet weeks later, the above example, him exclaiming that his daughter had to settle because she is old and no longer capable of finding someone better – sigh, what a tragedy for her
May 14, 2019 at 8:00 am #293687AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
What your father said: “what kind of daughter treats he own parents like garbage..”- that sounds just like your mother speaking… and indeed it was, your mother speaking as the poor fellow, your father.. became your mother. I think that in your parents’ home there are now your mother.. and your mother.
Your mother has been so contradictory in her messages I am surprised you are as sane as you are. She was happy you brought a friend over, made her day, and she was unhappy you brought the same friend over, that same day, because she had to accommodate that friend on top of having to accommodate you, while the friend’s mother had it easy. Better go to the friend’s house so to.. inconvenience the friend’s mother. So you do that, but your mother is lonely at home, and she is so happy when you bring a friend over. I thought about this this morning, before I turned on the computer, soon after I woke up, had that image of the bird, agitated, looking right, looking left, and again, never settled.
How can you be settled when receiving these contradictory messages about how to make your mother happy, what it is that will make her happy.
anita
May 14, 2019 at 8:31 am #293699Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
What an amazing post – you truly get it – you do! you explained so well my mother, and how contradictory.
Your mother has been so contradictory in her messages I am surprised you are as sane as you are.
I too am surprised at how sane I am. Actually I think thats what drives me recently as far as the business model – sometimes it says to me “look how much you went through and you came out sane, don’t settle, you can achieve great things, go for it, don’t settle” but of course with that it creates a sense of urgency and anxiety / conversation for another day.
In the same day my mother is ecstatic I cured her loneliness my bringing a friend over, but anguished at the burden it caused. In the same day my mother is ecstatic I am “finally” engaged, but enraged that now the engagement party may not go her way. In the same day, same hour. In the same day my mom is ecstatic to throw her “perfect daughter” her bridal shower, but a moment later throwing a fit that one aunt – who she hates mind you – didnt show up. So the entire ride home says how its a waste to throw such events because people don’t appreciate them.
Oh Anita, how horrific, terrifying and exhausting.
I would love to speak further, like this, or the exercise – whatever you choose.
May 14, 2019 at 8:43 am #293703AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
That nonsensical talking on the part of your mother to you, you keep hearing it in her absence. It is agitating to hear such nonsensical talking because it can’t settle nicely in the brain. Our brain rejects it, sort of throwing the message: “doesn’t make sense, reject”, over and over again. It makes for an agitated brain.
You can post anything you want, resume the exercise or otherwise, I am open and I have time.
anita
May 14, 2019 at 10:08 am #293713Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
It sure does make for an agitated brain. Of course my brain is constantly wavering and up and down. Of course there is usually a constant state of unease/anxiety. Of course.
I would like to resume the exercise:
I’ll start by saying:
my mom always gets amazed by other people, she says oh my look how amazing that person is and what they did. but she also gets sad that she never did any of that stuff
May 14, 2019 at 10:37 am #293715AnonymousGuestTake a deep, slow breath and put your little hand over your heart, what is it in your heart when she says these things?
anita
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