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May 8, 2019 at 7:42 am #292821AnonymousGuest
Dear Cali Chica:
“I was with my mother…. when single, when married. I was with HER”- that is the mental unit I mentioned before, the young child and the mother are not separated mentally, as far as the child is concerned, in the child’s brain. With a mother like yours and mine, the child never separates, no matter how old, single or married, no matter the mother is alive or dead, until enough healing takes place.
Your understanding of feelings (“I don’t have to grasp onto tightly to it… Let it ebb and flow as nature intended… The emotions will come as the process continues”) is indication that healing it taking place in your brain, a result of your intent to heal, your intelligence, your initiative, your wisdom.
“The concept of my mother being a strong being, feigning weakness is very important… in the context of my relationship with my mother, only I suffered”-
– she was the strong one inflicting pain on you, the weak one. By the word strong, here, I don’t mean sensibly strong, I mean only this: exerting force against you, so to create a Win for her and a Lose for you. Like you wrote, in the context of you and her, “she was never truly weak. She made me weak”.
Long, long ago your mother was an innocent, good child who was abused. She was not that child when you came into the world. That innocent and good child that you saw in her, has been locked in her for a long time and what really was in front of you was an abusive woman.
“don’t you worry. I am super- and I am strong. Or so I thought… I was told I had the strength to persevere and keep pushing”- your mother pushed you, or invested her energy performing her shows for the short term return on investment that was an emotional relief, on her part, a joy of sorts for having punished you, a Win-Lose interaction, she wins the relief and joy, you lose.
When you push next, or invest your energy, (continue to) aim at the long term return on investment in Win-Win interactions and relationships. This way you will be sensibly strong.
anita
May 8, 2019 at 8:20 am #292833Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Good morning, thank you for your reply.
I would like you to elaborate more on this:
your mother pushed you, or invested her energy performing her shows for the short term return on investment that was an emotional relief, on her part, a joy of sorts for having punished you, a Win-Lose interaction, she wins the relief and joy, you lose. When you push next, or invest your energy, (continue to) aim at the long term return on investment in Win-Win interactions and relationships. This way you will be sensibly strong
May 8, 2019 at 8:38 am #292835Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I want to add to my above question/comment.
I take it that you mean that: my mother invested in spur of the moment ways to reduce her emotional distress, such as projecting out, acting out, putting on performances, fleeing, acting, etc. none of these were authentic, and none of these led to any appropriate long lasting results.
Unlike her, I should engage in activities and behaviors that are more fruitful — a win-win for me, this is the part where I now pause
May 8, 2019 at 9:31 am #292845AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
I was thinking about your investments, more so in the past than now, in random people. I remember you shared with me while you were in South Africa on vacation with your husband, you invested your time in communicating with a friend in NY who was having some sort of a party there, as if what was happening in her life was important and worthy of your time and attention, not your time in South Africa with your husband. That investment was aimed at a short term feel-good of some kind, for you.
On the other hand, investing your time and attention in you-and-your-husband, will bring you a long term real life benefit, because the two of you are a team.
People are motivated by rewards, just like other animals. Pay attention to the nature of the reward you are aiming at, see to it that it is sensible and long term.
Please let me know if I clarified to you what was unclear to you.
anita
May 9, 2019 at 5:09 am #292983Cali ChicaParticipantdear Anita,
yes I understand completely – and I let this sink and savor, and sink and savor. I love this concept so much, and it really makes sense to me and is told to me (by you) at the exact perfect moment that I needed to hear it, and am also able to receive it.
look at my goals, what are they, what is my intention, short term instant gratification/distress relieving or long term, team-building, love focused, life building…
May 9, 2019 at 5:57 am #292987AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
If people practiced this distinction between short term gain and long term gain (payoff/benefit), there will be almost none or none of the following: crime, wars, corrupt politics, violence, child abuse, any abuse, obesity and morbid obesity, drug addiction, alcohol and drug related fatalities, and the list goes on.
If our mothers practiced this distinction, you and I wouldn’t be here, spending years in this healing process. If mothers understood how their daughters are so very motivated to do that “team-building, love focused, life building” with her, the mother, and would aim at the long term goal, it would be the best team work possible, to the long term benefit of both.
anita
May 9, 2019 at 6:47 am #292997Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
yes you are so correct!
i want to go back to the example that you stated about my intention. thank you for bringing up this real life example.
I was focused on my “friend” on the other side of the world – and her party that was not important at all. not to anyone, but I made it ‘important” in my own head. To distract away from the true importance, the true thing, my team
interesting, you would think if there was a true team you were apart of, that you would naturally be inclined to focus on that, and not the “noise” – yet my inclination is the exact opposite! i wonder when that formed..as a pathway..and habit for me..
May 9, 2019 at 7:10 am #293001AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
You were a very motivated child to be a part of the daughter-mother team, your mother was a terrible team player, you got burned so often being in a … non-team with her, like a bird (the image appeared to me as I typed), a bird sitting on a wire, let’s say, its head constantly moving right-left-right-left, agitated, so it seems… no eye contact possible, right-left-right-left, because (extended the image to content here) keeping eye contact is too painful. If the bird keeps her head straight ahead, looking at just one thing, what is in front of her, and that thing in front of her is spitting little balls of fire at her, no wonder the bird is constantly looking there and over there, right and left, trying to avoid those spits of fire.
anita
May 9, 2019 at 7:13 am #293003Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
So going along with this bird image, the bird..
no wonder the bird is constantly looking there and over there, right and left, trying to avoid those spits of fire.
So the bird avoids looking straight ahead, even when the “spits of fire” are not present? because of this habit, because of life long practice, when fire was always there?
May 9, 2019 at 7:19 am #293005AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
The bird is agitated, the agitation was established early on as she experienced those spits of fire, those chemicals keep going like before, spits of fire or not, a chemical habit was formed. That chemical induced agitation leads the bird to look left and right and it leads you to turn on the computer while you are in South Africa and look into the screen, here and there, left and right, find something (the party in NY), send a message, then look over there and the other over-there, right, left, right, left…
anita
May 9, 2019 at 7:35 am #293007Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
chemical habit yes, chemical habit continues whether there is “fire” or not.
so with that the intention remains—? the intention is based on frenzied energy fueled by a chemical habit
not from authentic need..
May 9, 2019 at 8:02 am #293017AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
This frenzied behavior is authentic to the bird if all birds of that species behave that way, frenzied like. Is it authentic to Cali Chica? Look at other humans, those of your species, are they all frenzied, like you?
Some are, many are at times, a lot are frenzied a whole lot of the time, all are cautious though, alert to danger. I suppose it is authentic for us humans to be alert to danger, to be alarmed at times, but not frenzied. Similar to the deer and elk I observe on my walks, it is authentic to them to be somewhat relaxed when eating, but when they hear possible danger, they get alarmed and stop eating and they just stand there looking, alert, watching, then either moving away, going elsewhere, or resuming eating. Until next time they hear a possible danger.
It is not authentic for us humans to be calm all the time, as desired as it feels like (people get hooked on narcotics for that reason and people invented heaven for that purpose). It is authentic for us to be alert, cautious and reasonable relaxed in between alerts.
anita
May 9, 2019 at 8:13 am #293023Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
This is true, however, I do not know anyone else like me – who has a wonderful husband, and does not focus on him first as a priority (yes I am working on it now, but it wasn’t innate)
Then again, I don’t know anyone like me with the same story as MY mother.
What i mean to say is this, yes it is the human condition to be anxious and frenzied – yet, the level of my outward focus and frenzy away from what matters (husband) to waht doesn’t (such as email to friend from south africa) – is not common.
It is not common, it is not compatible with team work, and it is not appropriate for lifebuilding.
This is not me saying this because I am comparing myself to others, or putting myself down – but more noticing the effects of my childhood/mother on my behaviors as an adult. – and not just in the traditional “bad childhood” causes trauma that most people know – but in such a SPECIFIC WAY Anita.
So specific, something that only myself and sister know (and of course you as well) … such a specific way of acting “frenzied” as a bird looking back and forth.
So as much as most people may be frenzied, not everyone is outward, with an intention looking AWAY from team work and self focus..
May 9, 2019 at 8:55 am #293039Cali ChicaParticipantdear Anita,
I also wanted to mention how people like (us) (assuming you may be similar) are hyper-aware of our surroundings. Often extremely conscientious, not wanting to offend others – very aware of how another is perceiving us. i notice this is quite uncommon in the world, and it is truly no benefit for myself/us either.
I notice how we navigate the world with so much fear, so much concern – of course we are hardened, how could we not be…
even writing this – makes me feel hard, annoyed for us – yes for us
May 9, 2019 at 9:32 am #293049AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
Yes, I agree, your outward looking frenzy is extreme, has been extreme, yes. And your childhood has been extremely distressing, your mother having been extremely abusive.
Sometimes this frenzy caused by such childhoods harms the nervous system in such a way that the damage is permanent and sometimes people die because of accidents led by extreme frenzy.
I am sorry for you, your sister, for me, my sister and for so many others harmed so badly by our parents.
And now what, what is there to do but calm that frenzy best we can, determine our long term goals and choose sensibly so to accomplish these goals one day at a time, this moment and the next, like infants taking their first steps into a life that makes sense!?
anita
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