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March 25, 2019 at 8:12 am #286209AnonymousGuest
Dear Cali Chica:
“At the dinner I made a huge point that my friends were moving to Florida and they got great jobs. I went on and on about it… I went on and on about it on the way home too to my husband”-
– the motivation of the young Cali Chica in you going on and on to the friends is to get them to take you with them to Florida?
Telling them something like: take me with you! Take me with you! I want to live that great life with you!!!
anita
March 25, 2019 at 8:15 am #286211Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
The motivation of young Cali Chica to say: look at how great your life is, and your set up – I want that too!
Take me away from my INFERIOR life, I wish I could have a SUPERIOR one like you.
But in all reality let’s say I snapped my finger and switched scenarios – I wouldn’t find that one superior at all. Nope. I would say “wow you get to live in NYC, the best city in the world – how lucky YOU are..”
and so forth…
March 25, 2019 at 8:32 am #286215Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
After we discuss the above, when you would like – I wanted to add something else…
To add about the portion that is “compulsive mind chatter” it is almost like an “obsession with others”
an example would be, if you are on a nice walk with your husband enjoying the sunlight, the sounds, the people everywhere, walking, running, biking – a beautiful environment. Why would you constantly talk? Talk about this and that. “oh S and her boyfriend are going away finally, she is happy he finally booked the trip.” “oh that lady at work was saying how the center is going to get busier in the summer.” “oh I saw the neighbor earlier and she mentioned there’s an open house she went to upstairs, but it was an old unit.”
Can’t just stay in the present. Talking about this and that. This is similar to the above scenario (couple moving to florida) but also different in the sense of it is “talking just to talk” having focus on the Lives of others, being preoccupied with what they are doing (not finding it superior per se in this scenario) but just being consumed by it.
my mother used to do this ALL THE TIME – almost like a “let’s see who and what we can talk about now to fill the time, beyond gossip, compulsive mind chatter/spoken chatter”
March 25, 2019 at 8:49 am #286219AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
That talking a lot, it is a habit, for sure. Like any habit, you can break it, purposefully don’t talk. You catch yourself talking, end the sentence and stop talking. You can pre-arrange this with your husband, tell him something like: when I notice that I started talking and shouldn’t be talking, I will tell you: “mind chatter” and that will be my way of telling you why I will be stopping my chatter in mid sentence, so you understand.
I know people who talk a lot as a stress relief, it is a way to not be alone with the emptiness, that distress when not talking. It does pass the time and then one gets tired and calms down.
Next time you are walking with your husband, notice this or that split second when the fear spikes, threatening, and before you rush to do the chatter so to disperse that rising fear, stay quiet and notice the fear, feel it, don’t react. You will see that it will go down as you pay attention, without talking.
And you will then notice that this rising fear did not kill you and you survived it. So next time you feel it, again, don’t do the chatter, feel it and remind yourself: I survived it silently last time. It didn’t kill me. I can survive it silently again.
– I was wondering how you’ve been sleeping since you ended contact with your parents, if there has been any change during this past year?
anita
March 25, 2019 at 8:58 am #286223Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
That is great advice, and I remember, on vacation (over the fall when we were away for a whole month) I practiced this. And i was ssuccessful. The difference is I was not around much “distraction.” I didn’t have constant fodder from friends updating me what they’re doing, etc. I didn’t have as much “to report” so my brain was slightly quieter, and as a result my chatter.
I do have a question about the prior post:
You wrote:
– the motivation of the young Cali Chica in you going on and on to the friends is to get them to take you with them to Florida?
I replied:
-Take me away from my INFERIOR life, I wish I could have a SUPERIOR one like you.
Do you believe this is also related to the constant mind chatter/chatter. I do in a way, the constant focus on the lives of others, which in essence does give them more “power”/importance, and my own life – less of a priority.
To answer your question, sleep:
It is improved NOW – 10000% percent because of my yoga practice. To the point that this practice is not my “cure” but a necessity for me now.
No I do not take anti-depressant or anti-anxiety medications. I try to limit caffeine and alcohol. I try to eat well. But the biggest difference in my life is from yoga. It is truly what has helped me sleep, by allowing the tensions in my body to dissipate (somewhat) and for my mind to reach new depths.
March 25, 2019 at 9:35 am #286239AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
I figure the “constant focus on the lives of others” is a way for you to escape your experience of your own life, the allegedly inferior life. Similar to people day dreaming/ fantasizing on the lives of the rich-and-famous so to escape their mundane lives.
Problem is that their lives is allegedly superior and yours is.. well, you are not seeing it accurately just as you don’t see others’ lives accurately. The glitter of that friend you had (past tense?), remember the glitter- you see glitter in others’ lives, like that couple on their way to Florida.
anita
March 25, 2019 at 9:36 am #286241Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
“constant focus on the lives of others” is a way for you to escape your experience of your own life, the allegedly inferior life
I will let this sink in, and reply back in a few hours. I know you may be on your walk at this time (so enjoy that!) regardless, we will speak more when you are available. Thank you for your insight and wisdom today – and always.
March 25, 2019 at 9:40 am #286243AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
You are welcome. I will be on my walk in a few hours (I don’t walk at the very same time every day). Reply when you will and we’ll continue later.
anita
March 25, 2019 at 11:11 am #286269Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
It has only been about an hour, but I have pondered this, albeit while at work and not only thinking about this. But I have pondered it.
It is an interesting concept. I don’t find myself to be particularly insecure, low self-esteem, low confidence – yet at the core, at the true core is the reality – the false belief, the delusion that:
I believe that my life is inferior.
And that is the point, it doesn’t matter what the outside may show or the overall may show, it is those deep-rooted core beliefs that dictate how we truly feel, interact in the world, and what goes on in our minds daily.
But it is true, and there is not mystery as to why – I was fed this information my entire life from my mother.
I recall some time ago reading about a famous star, singer or such, mentioning that he/she never felt adequate even when she rose the ranks, as she was made to feel inferior her whole life.
I didn’t feel I related to this entirely. But today I see it, that I do not believe my ownself as inferior to others, in fact I think positively of my own personality, capabilities and skills – but in contrast the core belief is there —
And thus I distract, I talk about others, I focus on others, I escape my own life. It is true. I notice it.
It feels I am incapable of relaxing and focusing into my own life. I instead gravitate naturally to commenting on others, uplifting others, obsessing over details in their life, sometimes helping them, sometimes helping no one, but staying occupied. Staying occupied, escaping from my own life.
March 25, 2019 at 11:29 am #286273AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
You believed what you were told before you had the ability to evaluate the information you were given. You were a wide-eyed girl who looked up to the all-powerful Mother in front of you and you believed her.
Now that you can evaluate things so well, you can not unearth that core belief and evaluate it. It is stuck in your brain in the form of multiple pathways in that flesh and blood brain. It is the patient building of new pathways, new experiences (thoughts + emotions) being recorded in new pathways that will make a difference.
It would have been wonderful and so much easier if we were fed with correct information as children and therefore our core beliefs would be such that would serve us, but it didn’t happen that way and hasn’t for millions of people. We now have a choice: to continue the same-old-same-old or create a new life experience. Which one is a better choice…?
anita
March 25, 2019 at 6:35 pm #286371Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Absolutely it is better to create a new life experience.
I feel, I am at a standstill again, not unlike a few months ago when I was stuck, with my sister scenario. Now although I can not say that is “fixed” of course, my increased awareness from our conversations was monumental. You helped me see that my first major hurdle, was removing my parents. And that now it was onto number 2, inevitably, learning how to approach the relationship with my sister.
I see now that those are 2 very very important life changing objectives.
But here today, I approached you with something a little different, it is something that is not in the present tense, but entirely tethered to the past. As you wrote, it is a core belief that is stuck in my brain, that I can not unearth.
In a way, this is a task much greater than removing my parents, are redefining the relationship with my sister – as it involves reprogramming my BRAIN.
It is this that will change my life. I know it. I know in my heart that when I can make progress with this, that is when life will feel different finally. No mother, sister, or lack of etc etc – can lead to the same amount of relief/change/awakening/enlighteenment as my changing that core belief. In a way I think I have been waiting for that, and have not found it. Of course not, I am still stuck. On the path, but still stuck.
Yes my life has changed tremendously from the decisions I have made. But for me to feel differently, approach the world truly differently, treat my husband honestly differently, and myself. This core belief has to slowly mold away.
I am an excellent student, and yet, this feels like a flurry. And yet, it is only today that I am seeing how incredibly difficult a task it is to diminish that mental chatter, to not escape to the lives of others to avoid my “inferior” life, and so on.
So like any student, a well conditioned one, I will do what I know works – start from the basics, and build.
I must simplify this arduous task, this subliminal way of my mind. Clearly what I have been doing thus far has not been working, its time to take on a different approach. I will outline a stream of ideas/concepts relevant. And as we speak tomorrow, I will polish and make more sense of my approach/understanding..
- I know that involving myself with too many people clearly does not work. Mind chatter only gets worse when, of course, I chat more! When I over communicate with too many people in a day, it is that much harder for me to shut off my brain and focus on “you and yours” – on mine. I like that term, focusing on mine. I will use it.
- So lets say today I communicated with people at work, yoga, my husband, small talks here and there groceriees etc – that is much different than texting a friend or 3, or responding to a friends question about how my weekend was, or her next trip, etc. when I communicate in this way on a daily basis – my mind only goes there
- it quickly and naturally moves away entirely from sinking and savoring my OWN life. this is a fact
- So lets say today I communicated with people at work, yoga, my husband, small talks here and there groceriees etc – that is much different than texting a friend or 3, or responding to a friends question about how my weekend was, or her next trip, etc. when I communicate in this way on a daily basis – my mind only goes there
- I know that even if I am by myself, however, this occcurs. So in this case I can’t say it was because I was distracted because I was on the phone with someone, out with someone, on my phone etc. I was with my own self
- I see this as habit. About a year ago or so, I remember telling you about an example, with a neighbor J.
- I said something along the lines of how I would automatically text her to meet so our dogs could play, even on days when I didn’t feel myself, or even my dog needed that social interaction.
- You mentioned something excellent, that my action(s) were a compulsion to reduce distress. Obsessive thought occurs, compulsive action follows to “reduce distress.”
- obsess – act
- I see in order to break this cycle it will have to be different
- obsess – analyze – then choose
- in fact, I know the answer will be to not act, to simply do nothing, say nothing at all. but when it comes to the mind, chatter, and such – it is much more difficult than turning off an ACTION.
- obsess – analyze – then choose
- I see in order to break this cycle it will have to be different
- obsess – act
- You mentioned something excellent, that my action(s) were a compulsion to reduce distress. Obsessive thought occurs, compulsive action follows to “reduce distress.”
- I said something along the lines of how I would automatically text her to meet so our dogs could play, even on days when I didn’t feel myself, or even my dog needed that social interaction.
- I see this as habit. About a year ago or so, I remember telling you about an example, with a neighbor J.
- this brings me to a point that, this is perhaps the greatest feat thus far, as it is not a tangible action: cut someone out, stop going there, stop attending to this, etc. This is truly the first attempt to have control over the mind. To then re-wire. To manage my thoughts. To unearth core beliefs
- to summarize this evening, thus far, I know for sure what does not work. It is so very obvious based on my life and observations. It does not work when I am overly social, and overly involved in others. Okay, I am already working onthat. The next step, I will look at like in yoga.. My stamina has increased tremendously in just 2 months. Look at what I am capable of. Perhaps I can increase mental stamina just one step this week/weeks. I wonder what that step should be…
- This reply was modified 5 years, 7 months ago by Cali Chica.
March 26, 2019 at 8:26 am #286415Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I re-read my last post, and realize how so much of it is a repeat from the past, repeat themes. I suppose that makes sense as what is “right” for us must be repeated over and over before it becomes more natural, before it becomes “our way.”
I thought a lot about the term we speak about “baseline distress” – this term means more to me than anxiety even. As it pinpoints how on certain days, we (I) can feel distressed for no apparent reason at all.
I notice it is on those days where this mind chatter/outer chatter is worst of all. And, it is on those days that this feeling of needing to “escape” and focus on the lives of others – may essentially be a trained response to numb my distress.
I spent a lot of today morning thinking back to my 20s, a time in which I did not have much self-love, and hardly any self-care. I think of it as a time of frenzy, running from event to event, school, friend to friend, frenzied idea of what dating is, frenzied idea of what being single is. This is when I developed many of the habits of ONLY focusing on others. This was a time in which baseline distress was truly the baseline, day in and day out, rain or shine.
Although I may not feel as distressed and frenzied at every single moment of my life now. I can’t say I feel entirely different – and I attribute that to what you and I spoke about yesterday. I attribute it to:
not being programmed to sit with myself, and emotions. not naturally knowing how to process/and release distress
being a natural seeker, and not a sitter
It is all of this that will make my next step in my journey, it is all this that is on my mind.
March 26, 2019 at 9:20 am #286421AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
Keep justice in mind. Adhere to it.
If your husband is kind to you and has been persistently so, if his money is yours, that is, if he is all for you and not at all against you, if he thinks of your well being as he chooses his actions day in and day out, then your loyalty should be with him, not with … friends, those who move to Florida or this or that friend who asks you how your weekend went. What have they done for you lately?
Your mother has hurt you plenty, all though, hurt your feelings purposefully, clearly having no contact with her is justice. Your sister, wish her well. But ask this as well: what has she done for you lately?
Gather your frenzied energy and selectively re-direct it. Don’t give it to people who just so happen to be there, people whose energies are directed to the important people in their lives, not to you! Direct your energy to the important person, or people, in your life.
I don’t know of any important person in your life, one who cares for you day in and day out, (and outside our one context only/ strictly online communication) other than your husband. Do you know of anyone else?
Gather and selectively redirect your energy every day.
anita
March 26, 2019 at 9:28 am #286427Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Interesting point you brought up, you never have. And yes to all of the above, he does all that and more.
The issue is, we enjoy being social – how to be social but not “be” with those people? How to enjoy others company in small selected portions, but not “be” anywhere else. We are quite social (on weekends) but in small selected doses. Often have people visiting, events, large circle of people, etc. etc
My sister is someone I enjoy time with, in small selected portions. She has been helpful in the sense that she understands me and the background – but that isn’t really helpful – it is RELATABILITY.
you are right, no one has been helpful, no one truly cares in that way. you are right. no one else is important.
selectively redirect. I have the power to redirect, I have achieved so much in a short amount of time in this past, so therefore, I too can redirect this energy.
March 26, 2019 at 9:56 am #286439AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
I thought about justice and loyalty this morning, after reading your two posts because of that “mental chatter” and “baseline distress” you mentioned there. In the midst of that mental noise, the value of justice, of what is right, can quiet some of that noise.
Empathy for your mother harmed you. Empathy for your husband will help you. (You expressed in the past difficulty feeling empathy for him).
When old pathways get activated (and it can be following physical tiredness or a distressing dream the night before), and you find yourself distracted by that chatter, and when empathy is not something that you feel right there and then, the value of justice will come handy. Do what is right and calm will follow.
It may not be important at the moment so feel free to not address it now- I didn’t understand what you wrote about your sister: “She has been helpful in the sense that she understands me… but that isn’t really helpful- it is RELATABILITY”-
– what does she understand about you?
– what do you mean by “relatability” in that sentence?
anita
- I know that involving myself with too many people clearly does not work. Mind chatter only gets worse when, of course, I chat more! When I over communicate with too many people in a day, it is that much harder for me to shut off my brain and focus on “you and yours” – on mine. I like that term, focusing on mine. I will use it.
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