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February 21, 2019 at 6:38 am #281155
Cali Chica
ParticipantDear Anita,
Noted about the posts.
SCC, the drive to be super or perfect includes your work on the healing path.
Thanks for the reminder. Wow.
I was at a workshop once (yoga, meditation, insight etc) and the take home from the instructor for me was that – perhaps sometimes I don’t always need to “work on myself” that there is such a thing as being too motivated/focused on self improvement. I can sit back and let myself be too…
February 21, 2019 at 6:49 am #281157Anonymous
GuestDear Cali Chica:
Yes, let yourself be, meaning you don’t have to always help yourself, you can relax and focus only on do-no-harm-
not to others and not to yourself.
anita
February 21, 2019 at 7:18 am #281159Cali Chica
ParticipantDear Anita,
you don’t have to always help yourself, you can relax and focus only on do-no-harm-
not to others and not to yourself.
Would you mind elaborating on : do no harm to myself means (in your opinion)?
February 21, 2019 at 7:30 am #281165Anonymous
GuestDear Cali Chica:
Same as do no harm to others: when you harm your husband you also harm yourself, it causes you to feel badly about yourself, your own progress. I suppose you harm yourself in all the ways that you do: overreaching to others, and so forth.
anita
February 21, 2019 at 8:03 am #281175Cali Chica
ParticipantDear Anita,
I suppose I do harm myself in all those ways, in fact, I know this. Why? Because I can feel it.
I feel when I am harming myself (in these subtle ways that do not appear harmful at baseline) I notice it in my body, muscular tension, tighter jaw, just an overall sense of intensity.
I would like to talk about the ways that I “suppose I harm myself in all the ways that I do” – I think it will be a healthy useful exercise
February 21, 2019 at 8:11 am #281181Anonymous
GuestDear Cali Chica:
We are social animals, born that way, born empathetic and unless and until we lose all that empathy, when we hurt another person we feel badly. We have an inborn need to be good people, to help others, to cooperate with others for the benefit of all.
Looking forward to read about the ways you harm yourself, whenever you are ready.
anita
February 21, 2019 at 8:46 am #281185Cali Chica
ParticipantDear Anita,
We have an inborn need to be good people, to help others, to cooperate with others for the benefit of all.
Great point, as when I am short, angry, etc with someone, or not my innate empathetic self for a period of time, it is not that I feel guilty, it is that I intrinsically feel wrong and bad. It simply doesn’t sit right. Now I do not believe all people operate this way, but for my journey and this conversation – that is irrelevant. What makes CC feel good, what makes her feel authentic?
Brainstorm activity:
The ways that I harm myself:
- over-reaching to others
- this is harmful to myself because it takes away from what I need in the moment, and simply jumps to what the other person needs
- it is harmful because it often distracts me from “sitting with myself” and what I am going through, and simply distracting by someone else’s world
- it is much more important to first process what is in my own head and heart
February 21, 2019 at 9:34 am #281201Anonymous
GuestDear Cali Chica:
I don’t now if you want my input as you do this exercise, assuming their exercise is still in progress. Do you?
anita
February 21, 2019 at 10:03 am #281211Cali Chica
ParticipantDear Anita,
Yes I do 🙂
February 21, 2019 at 10:13 am #281215Anonymous
GuestDear Cali Chica:
There needs to be a balance between personal responsibility and social responsibility.
Both responsibilities are personal because we need society for our personal well being, similar to an elk needing the herd for its personal well being, locating feeding areas, protection from predators and the cold.
The balance is about seeing to it that most of our attending to others (social responsibility) does benefits us.
anita
February 21, 2019 at 10:23 am #281217Cali Chica
ParticipantDear Anita,
The balance is about seeing to it that most of our attending to others (social responsibility) does benefits us.
How do you feel we do it so it benefits us? I think I struggle with that – I actually really do
February 21, 2019 at 10:30 am #281221Anonymous
GuestDear Cali Chica:
I don’t understand your question, the last line, can you restate?
anita
February 21, 2019 at 10:49 am #281227Cali Chica
ParticipantDear Anita,
What is your personal definition of social interaction that is in a way that benefits us (myself/yourself)?
February 21, 2019 at 12:14 pm #281241Anonymous
GuestDear Cali Chica:
Social interactions that benefit you, examples:
1. Working for an income, a paycheck.
2. Promoting your chances of a double income: yours and your husband’s by not attacking him, by providing him with safety in the relationship with him. This will decrease the statistical chances that he will get sick or will suffer accidents, get disabled or lose his life altogether as a result of elevated anxiety-
as well as decreasing the chances that he will make significant mistakes at work and lose his license or his reputation.
That’s all I have in mind at the moment, being in the process of losing my focus, but may have more examples when I return to the computer in about sixteen hours. There is a chance I will be back in a few hours for a short time. Hope to read from you when I am back so to explore this topic further.
anita
February 25, 2019 at 8:14 am #281649Cali Chica
ParticipantDear Anita,
I thought a lot about this weekend, what we spoke about. When we harm others, we also harm ourselves.
This is new to me, this way of thinking.
I was conditioned to think about how others acted and treated each other. Often, when others were shameless and rude, it would make me angry and think – well gosh how do they get away with that and sleep at night! or feel slighted, feeling that even if I do good, these “evil” people continue to do bad – unfair.
Your perspective, and comment allows me to see it in a different light.
Doing harm to others, being unkind, rude, etc – it isn’t just about the other person. No it is not. It isn’t just about how others are affected.
Acting this way, inherently affects me – when I am unkind, I also harm myself. It doesn’t just feel “not right” it can also have long term effects. Harboring this sort of feeling can lead me to have outbursts to other people like my husband, and impede my healing path.
Therefore, being good benefits all.
- over-reaching to others
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