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February 17, 2018 at 10:53 am #192991Cali ChicaParticipant
Dear Anita,
Thank you for pointing out the following: “Your stories about your mother are amazingly consistent. She is very consistent in her extreme lack of empathy for her own daughters.”
I have thought about that since yesterday, and said to myself: Yes! she’s right, it HAS been consistent. In fact, this has never occurred to me.
The stories I can tell you are far ranging from things that may sound “typical” (wedding related stress) to things that wound blatantly absurd (what she said when I had the breakdown in med school). Since her comments have been so far ranging, and have been alternated with such opposite: overly caring, fun, adventurous, etc – my sister and I have never noticed the consistency.
For example, we were on a trip to Peru, first stop – the capital, Lima. We are having a great time exploring, doing normal tourist things. The next part of the trip was going to consistent of the mountains of Cusco and Machu Picchu. My mother had made an itinerary with her travel agent prior. (something she prides herself on, she has the BEST itineraries, she knows how to travel BEST). So when it comes time to embark on the second portion of the trip…she has a breakdown. She hears everyone around us warning us about altitude sickness – and get’s freaked out. Sure, that may be normal for many…but this was different. She starts crying, calling my father, unable to be consolable. When I put my foot down and say we need to think of this practically – she calls my father and states “my daughter is harassing me, tell me what to do.” We go get lunch to try to calm her down, what I order makes her nauseous, so right then and there at the restaurant she has a histrionic episode. She says she feels like gagging, she can’t stay at the restaurant she must immediately leave. I try to reason with her again, this time truly losing my temper, and saying “you are an adult! get a hold of yourself!” she defends herself to say this is different, some people have fears that others don’t understand, how dare you (I) put her down when she is already weak (threatening that I am kicking the dog when he is down).
Long story short, we ended up cutting the trip short and returning back to NY the next day.
My sister and i could care less that we didn’t visit the rest of the country – we just wanted peace. Her response to us on our way back was not of, wow that was scary, wow I feel so upset. Nope. It was “make sure when you go back you don’t tell anyone this happened, if anyone asks how Machu Pichu was tell them great.” My sister responded, well mom I am coming back 7 days early from my trip so obviously my friends willl know we returned early. She states – then don’t talk to your friends for the week.
Literally anything to keep her cover. My enabling father picks us up at the airport, and states how we should be supportive that my mother was so upset (never using the word anxiety of course) and that these things happen, but next time before we go we should do more research.
Like a maniac on the car ride home my mother begins to talk about how it’s going to be the NEXT time we go to PERU. “oh so the next time we go, I’m going to plan it our way, I don’t care what the travel agents say – we will need more time to ascend to altitude.”
Sure – mom – we would love to jump back on the flight with you….
No sense of her absurdity, no shame – just pure entitlement. I feel crazy, I act crazy – I am entitled. Now I feel calm – I act like nothing happened, so what? everyone feels crazy sometimes, why can’t I? (and any time after that Peru was ever brought up, it is like she doesn’t even remember what happened – just acts like it was a great trip)
well because you don’t feel crazy sometimes mom, you are evil.
Evil is a perfect word. So is sadistic – and narcissistic. This page clearly defines so much of them, and it was helpful to read:https://childhoodtraumarecovery.com/2015/09/03/effects-of-the-sadistic-narcissistic-parent/
I think about what a sociopath is:
someone who lies, and truly believes these lies
someone who feels truly entitled to the way they act, because they are deserving of it
someone who feels no remorse for their actions
This combined with how all of the stories of my mother are so consistent- make a profound statement. It is clear what she is. No, it is not confusing.
People would be astonished to know this. For I and my mother were the closest pair – sharing fashion ideas, always traveling together, she’s a young hip mother who loves makeup and fun things just like her daughters. Oh, the best of friends her and her daughter is.. Sure – and a lot of that was true. We had great times throughout our whole life.
But the important part I see here is that none of that matters. Because at her core she is the above. Just like how I didn’t notice her abuse when I was in school – it had not arisen because nothing was going against her way.
Just like if there is a man who is the biggest romantic in the world, but hits his wife once, it is one time too many. It is a never event meaning it should never happen.
The same with this, a mother should never do all of the things we have shared with you. Despite the fact that they are in the context of many other “fun and joyous” memories, never events are never supposed to happen. It is those that show character.
A mother should never:
1) tell her young daughter (my sister) that she wasn’t invited to the party because the other girls don’t like her, so she as a mother had to force my sister to be invited.
2) give pressure for her elder daughter to find the right guy all of a sudden when the switch goes off in her brain, just to disrespect and spit at his face and his families once things actually progress
3) compare – sure small amounts of comparison are natural in human nature…but
should never at my sister’s pharmacy graduation, before saying congrats asks: oh so where is V going to work after graduation, is the hospital she matched at better than yours
my whole life my mother felt I was the smartest and best cousin, but now that my one cousin is living 10 mins from her parents, remind me every phone call how sweet she is and how caring. How K has become such a mature young lady more than she ever thought. that “it may seem like things like career and success are important, but look at K, she seems happier than any of you, and how close she is to her parents.”
My mother always thinks she is the barometer of happiness, she knows who is happy and who is not, she is all knowing.
4) inflict pain.
Many times during terrible fights, I have said to her, mom I think you need to get treatment (back then before medical school I wasn’t sure of what I am now) – I would say how it would be beneficial if she maybe saw a therapist of god forbid the word PSYCHIATRIST. she wouldn’t just push it off like many people in the culture do. No..
She would say: well you think I’m crazy? seems like the depressed one around here is you! I see you don’t sleep well, and you’re always stressed. Always on the phone with friends because you’re so lonely. You can’t even sit one second without socializing. Maybe you’re the one who has depression, you think you’re so happy but you’re the one suffering.
Look at me, I am so strong I stay her at home all day as a house-wife, I don’t run off to spend time with people because I can’t stand to sit with myself. In fact, I am the strongest person I know, to rise up from all that I did. You wouldn’t even stand a chance. You act like you’re such a big lion at home, spewing out these things to me. Look at you when you’re out in the real world – people will stomp on you, you’re the one who needs psychiatric help.
Sure maybe, but only because the abuse and emotional trauma I got from you.
-she has always found great pleasure in making it known that I am not as great as I think I am. Yet, when she is in her other mood, she will make sure the world knows how great I am – because it is to her benefit. For example, I threw my dad a surprise birthday party – her whole goal at party was to make sure everyone knew what a great daughter does such a thing (of course did not care if the party was a surprise for my father – she had told him about it prior to arrival and asked him to act surprised)
On the flip side, if she is unhappy with me, she will make it known that “even my sister” says bad things about me. That when I am not home my sister complains about me, and that we all know the “ugly truth about you (me)” That I may prance around the world with all these friends and this great life, but only a “mother knows what her daughter is really like.”
So back to now, I have changed my phone number, and only a few people know it right now. I like it that way.. It makes me feel safe. I do not want to indulge in socializing and telling the world – so I am okay in this little world of mine where only a few people know how to reach me. And you know what, that is okay.
Ironically, I have been having these dreams the past few nights. They consist of me being with a group of friends (one night was high school) another was random. I am amongst these girls, and they are acting aloof and snobby. They are acting like they are in a clique and I am not included. The take home feeling I have is that I am left you, excluded, no longer a pal.
How interesting and timely! My JOB has been tot be social, right? Cali Chica is social and upholds many friendships, and her mother has placed this fear of loneliness in her. Thus now that Cali Chica is “removed from society” she is excluded and left out. What interesting and CONSISTENT dreams.
The beauty of it is that I don’t believe it. I would have, even a month ago. But I don’t. I know what is important in life is mental peace above all things and all people. I must do what i have to do to maintain that. If that means I am isolated for a months or 2, so be it. If it means I cut myself off for as long as I deem appropriate, so be it.
For what did the other life bring, constant trying – but no peace? what is the point in that.
I also know that those dreams exemplify fear based thinking. “I must try or I’ll lose a friend.” I know now that life ebbs and flows. There are honesty so many people in my life that I don’t even care to have in it anymore. I just kept them apart of my life because I valued external socialization greater than peace and personal time often. If say out of 10 people, after all this awakening I am left with 3 good ones (just an example) I would be more than happy. I no longer want to exert any energy towards anyone or anything that does not serve me and bring good and peace to my life.
Fear based living is not living. To feel you have to constantly do, perform, and exert out of fear that if you don’t the consequences won’t be ideal is not only EXHAUSTING, it is a LIE.
I think of it like social media, the more you post, the more likes you get, the more “fulfillment” but all of it is in vain. It is meaningless and will bring no substantial joy or peace to life.
I also think of it as trying to run away from yourself. It is the “must do must do must do” philosophy that you’re doing so much you never actually take the space to sit with your thoughts. Thus you never ask yourself, is this what I want, am I even happy? you assume of course you are – if I do – then I am happy. That is false.
I am proud and happy to have created space. I am proud and happy to know that after a lot of this dust settles I will be left with a life that I want, with the people I want in it.. That takes great strength, courage, and confidence. The confidence to know that I deserve better, the fearlessness to know that the status quo comfort is not really comfort at all, and the courage to start over knowing I am not more alone, in fact I am more whole and full than I have ever been..
February 20, 2018 at 10:01 am #193547AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
I did not know about the above post until a few moments ago. Under Topics your name did not reflect as the one last posted on your thread. That often happens as I post. To fix it I submit a second post (“did not reflect under Topics”) and the second submission fixes the problem.
I came back to your thread today to post that I am thinking about you. I assumed you didn’t post because you were back in contact with your mother. But now I read that true to Feb 17 you were still not in contact with her.
Your resolutions stated above read excellent. What you shared about your mother, her attacking you viciously for suggesting she gets help, is well… vicious.
Again, excellent resolutions. I hope you persist.
anita
February 20, 2018 at 11:14 am #193575Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for thinking me. I did have a dream that my mother was back in my life as she was in the hospital and guilted my sister and I into arriving at her bed side.
It is true, the threat of suicide is the ultimate emotional tactic. I am glad through my reading I have found objective ways to think about this – “if you are suicidal – you need help.”
You don’t need a text from me, a call from me – what you need is medical help – if you refuse that, I can not help you.
To be able to say this out loud is new. I can’t say it would be easy if I was right in front of her – but I am not. For the first time in a really long time I am not, and I don’t have to be. For the reason I faltered so much was because I WAS right in front of her, falling prey to her manipulation time and time again – where did that lead?
Like you say – did it make her or her life any better? no
Did it make me or my marriage any better? No! In fact it has caused devastation.
I hope you had a good weekend. I will write again soon.
February 20, 2018 at 12:14 pm #193581AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
I am so glad to be reading from you today. So glad to read you are still doing what is right.
Remember I suggested to you that you see the bigger picture? That picture includes the people who are not yet here, that is, your future children.
It is difficult to see them because you don’t know how they look like… they don’t exist yet. It is easy to see the smaller picture, that one woman who was in your life from your very beginning.
You wrote in your last post: “The reason I faltered so much was because I WAS right in front of her, falling prey to her manipulation time and time again”- the smaller picture is having her in your life, seeing her, hearing her. To see her, to hear her is to fall prey to her.
The smaller picture is that of your mother, a guilty woman, one who harmed you and your sister so very much, one who viciously betrayed the trust the two of you had in her, one who preys on you.
The bigger picture is that of your children, innocent people, the ones who will trust in you, ones who will need your love and well-being.
Be here this day and every day not for the guilty but for the innocent.
Be here for your husband who never preyed on you, be here for your patients. There are many people in the big picture who need you to be well.
anita
February 20, 2018 at 12:49 pm #193589Cali ChicaParticipantHello,
I just thought about this: “Be here for your husband who never preyed on you, be here for your patients.”
I think about what a great person I am without my mother’s voice taking over. I spread good energy to those around me, and I have been told this throughout my life. I am not saying this because it is something I am taking pride in – moreover, because it is a reminder to me of who I am in my core.
All that exists of me that is negative, anxious, and unwell – is my mother. I know this. I used to confuse it with parts of her and parts of me. I now wisely know that it is her.
Just over the last few days I have had clarity and “un-numbing” of all I spoke about to you earlier in the month. If this is not proof what is!
I am strong, capable, and a ray of light – I will not be dulled by a guilty person who knows only how to “cope” by spewing out poison.
February 20, 2018 at 1:02 pm #193593AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
Yes, you are a great person, beautiful, is a word I used to describe you before. Absolutely beautiful.
anita
February 21, 2018 at 4:00 am #193671AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
I keep mentioning your future children but you and your husband may choose to not be parents. In that case, I would say: be well for all the people in this world who need you well, your husband, your patients, other people.
You wrote yesterday: “It is true, the threat of suicide is the ultimate emotional tactic”- my mother threatened suicide since I was a young child. First time I remember I was five or six. Last time I was in my forties maybe, I am not sure. I am no longer in contact with her and she is seventy seven, alive.
I am familiar with “the threat of suicide (as) the ultimate emotional tactic”- a tactic. It harmed me severely but she kept using this tactic for decades nonetheless.
Please get well and be well for the people who need and want you well. Do not accommodate the woman who wants you sick.
You wrote yesterday that there were “terrible fights” between you and your mother. I hope what is happening presently is not one more terrible fight, that this time it is indeed a resolution of this relationship with your mother, an ending of it, that is.
When she told you (from one of your posts yesterday): “well you think I’m crazy?.. the depressed one around here is you! I see you don’t sleep well, and you’re always stressed. .. you can’t even sit one second without socializing… you’re the one suffering. Look at me, I am so strong… I am the strongest person I know... You wouldn’t even stand a chance… Look at you when you’re out in the real world- people will stomp on you, you’re the one who needs psychiatric help”
She is vicious, accusing you of following her instructions (to socialize) and for suffering (from her harm), and she is, like she wrote, strong. She sees you as weak and she sees herself strong. It is she who has stomped on you, you are safer, Cali Chica, in the “real world” she warned you about. She is your danger, not the world outside.
Your mother is about power, not love. To be in a relationship with her you have to accept being stomped. If you return to contact with her, sooner or later there will be a fight again because you will be rebelling.. once again.
I hope you put an end to the rebelling, the pattern of contact and rebelling (fighting), and end all contact with her.
anita
February 21, 2018 at 4:28 am #193679Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I like that you mention future children, my husband and I care deeply about family, and whether we are thinking about future children or not – the fact is true, I would never want to pass this down one generation further than it needs to go. The buck stops here.
It is very true, so many times in life she has accused me of “following her directions.”
–made fun of me for dating around so much (but she gave me stress and pressure for finding the “perfect match”)
–ridiculed when I as above: following her instructions (to socialize). My default was always to talk about a problem until I was blue in the face and faced sheer exhaustion (and I’m sure so did the opposite party). Who did I learn this from?
–ironically, when I was in India last year – I mentioned how their involvement was causing issues in my marriage. Of course she felt this was extremely inflammatory. Later however she said this comment:
“well then don’t listen to everything we say. your father and I didn’t listen to everything our parents told us, have some maturity” HA! truly laughable. you kick and scream to get you way, and now you say this! I am glad I remembered this, as it reminds me the ridiculousness of it all. You pin someone down to listen, and then step back and say – be mature and do what you need to do. Truly insane.
It is such a simple statement: She is your danger, not the world outside.
Absolutely true. I look back at my life, and I will say I have been fortunate outside of these events to have had always a positive life. (of course unable to truly enjoy it and immerse in it due to all of this). I think about the most difficult times I faced, and they were all that much worse because of my mindset, because of things such as guilt, anxiety, rumination, and worry. Once those elements faded from the incidents, the incidents were not large at all. I know this is true in life in general, but someone that comes from my mother (such as my sister and I) take this to a whole other level given the way we are raised -as you know.
You wrote: I hope you put an end to the rebelling.
Yes, I do too. I will tell you what has helped me the MOST, is finding solace. I have changed my phone number and created a place for only myself and my thoughts. Yes, my husband is a huge support for me, yes I am in contact with my sister. Yes, I go to work and interact great with colleagues and people in my life. But what I don’t do is seek out socialization. This has been incredible Anita. This one thing has allowed me to preserve energy and peace within.
Instead of texting or getting on the phone with a friend and explaining all this (and then likely hearing all of their comments such as your first post said – that will be quite frustrating) – what do I do? nothing. I listen to my thoughts, I write them down here.
Instead of going to work, and also simultaneously worry about getting text messages from people that will distract me. I don’t. When I go to work – I just go to work! What a profound concept.
When I take a shower, I just take a shower. I shower and listen to my thoughts. When I cook, I look at the food. I don’t plan the next conversation, and jump everytime my phone rings. (well it doesn’t ring much since a total of 4 people have the number!).
If I had been told this 6 months ago I would say: what happened to me, why did I turn into a hermit?! I do not think this way. I think of it as such a true form of strength that I can remove myself from all that does not serve me in this moment (post earthquake) for me to find healing, peace, and solace.
I am strong and confident enough to do that, the innate action would be to give in, and talk and socialize and go in exhausting circles.
Nope, I kindly decline that path – what I am doing serves me just fine.
Now, I do know this is not a sustainable way to live forever. Of course. But that is not my focus right now. My focus right now is for the dust to settle.
I also know that I am programmed to think about my job. My job to be social, to be in touch, to be super friend. Well I relinquish that job. I do plan to have good friends throughout my life, and likely less than I started with.
I do plan one day in the future sharing all this, and if so in this hiatus of speaking with others I lose contact with some – so be it, they were reaching their expiration date anyway (people come into our lives for a reason, a season, or a lifetime – each one different). I can visualize the types of social interactions I want in the future, and I will preserve that.
I know I have the ability to allow who and what I want into my life. I do not have to guilt myself into allowing more than I want to take on (as my mother would.)
My mother coerced herself into every thought, every energy. Between her and my job of being social, I had nothing. No bank or reserve for me, or my husband.
I look forward to over the next few months, focusing on only one thing: me. Which will also by nature also help me to focus on my husband. He sure deserves it after all these years of trauma, we are in great need of nurturing. No nurturing occurs without dedicated focus and space. I am glad to have created this space.
I know as I go out into more situations in the future, it will cause me anxiety. However, I know that the work I am doing now, the REAL work, will prepare me for that. If I create strong building blocks now, I can stand strong from here forward.
February 21, 2018 at 4:53 am #193685AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
Your mother will say anything that will suit her at any one moment, suit her goal to have power over another, that is: she will contradict what she said earlier, talk as if things that happened didn’t happen and as if things that didn’t happen, happened. She will talk kindly about people she hated earlier, and hatefully about people she talked kindly about earlier. She will accuse others for suffering the consequences of her abusing them, presenting the origin of a problem as the consequence, and the consequence as the origin. And so forth.
She has no concern for the truth. Her only concern is to have power over another.
Your post reads incredibly wise, you are thinking and doing so well. You wrote: “My focus right now is for the dust to settle”. It is the right thing for you to do, the wise thing. Your thoughts, your resolutions are excellent.
anita
February 23, 2018 at 6:13 am #194053Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
Happy Friday. I hope you had a good week. I did have a good week. I noticed myself thinking many new thoughts often which I had tried to force myself to think in the past.
For example, I woke up thinking about how our life on this earth is so short, so if we can spend it with good kind people -what else matters? Why should we ever choose to do other wise?
Something this simple was difficult for me to absorb prior, as my mind was complicated with all else.
I also woke up thinking about how important it is to nurture the good people, relationships, and times you have in life. Instead of taking them for granted, send your focus there. What you focus on grows – it can be that simple.
The issue is that it becomes quite complicated to send focus somewhere when are minds are boggled with: what is important? How can I just send my focus THERE? Shouldn’t I be sending it everywhere? How can I just focus on THIS. In my case I often felt guilty exerting my focus on say 1-2 important things (example, my job and husband) – it felt that it can’t be that simple – don’t I have to send focus to more places? (job, mom, sister, friends….then husband..).
Where did that get me? It got me into a place where I was a burnt out ball of stress, jack of all trades master of none – or more importantly – spread out so thin that nothing was nurtured.
I see that I was my own road block to simple happiness, and of course, keeping the relationship with my mother as my first and foremost priority – and keeping her emotional instability as my main focus – allowed that to grow. If my focus is on something negative, toxic, and unstable – it will sure grow – into a monster! That gets bigger and bigger. While I, and my true self – diminish smaller and smaller.
I also see that by focusing on more than what is “important” it does not truly allow those other things to grow in any sort of substantial way. This goes back to our conversation while I was on vacation, the comment about myself accommodating my sisters ups and downs does not help her, me, or anyone – it leads to nothing productive. another example is myself focusing on my “job” of being social doesn’t necessarily make myself feel more fulfilled, or the other party. There is no use, it is all in vain, it is all a facade.
On the contrary, allowing yourself to deliberately take focus and nurturing of what serves you, and the good people in your life – that is quite fruitful and fulfilling.
February 23, 2018 at 7:00 am #194061AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
Simplicity is Sanity. Sanity is Simplicity.
I like your shift of Focus.
You get to decide. You are in the process of making thoughtful choices, coming from greater and greater awareness.
Most people keep choosing according to old, incorrect beliefs formed in childhood, keep choosing because of what others people say, societal, cultural input, input that they do not question or challenge.
This ability to choose from awareness, to choose differently from what we were or are told and taught, is what is available only to humans, not to any other living thing on the face of the Earth.
anita
February 26, 2018 at 4:54 am #194729Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I thought of this the whole weekend: Simplicity is Sanity. Sanity is Simplicity
At first it was comforting, I felt as though: ah yes, simplicity – “what I have been seeking, and finally found”
However, there were moments where it felt odd: can things really be THIS simple?
I realize that when my mind went there, it wasn’t to say that I would exist in this state I am currently inforever (pretty isolated from socializing with all those I normally would have). I know that may or may not be long term (I shall choose how social I want to be as time comes).
It felt more like, “how can it be just like this. isn’t that too simple?”
“Isn’t it too simple to go to work, do your job, come home, eat dinner, relax and watch TV, and go to sleep. Then– isn’t it too simple to wake up on a weekend and not have any worries outside of what is going on in your life (normal things such as paying taxes, bills, work)?……so wait that means my mind doesn’t have to be elsewhere? it can just exist on what IS?!”
Because my mind has been so used to having excessive worry, there were a few times it did try to revert back to that old pattern.
We were talking about visiting a friend who just had a baby next weekend, I agreed with my husband’s plan – and then we started talking about the next topic.
After the conversation was over, I noticed my mind at a crossroads – left, not really think about much at all – or something such as hmm what’s on TV right now. Or right, create a problem/worry/anxiety. It did veer down the right momentarily…
I began to think…”hmm so should we visit them? I mean I am going through something colossal right now, should I be making time for them – would they for us if the situation was reversed…”
Then I stopped myself. I said to myself that is not me, that is my mother voice. It does NOT have to be that complicated, it is quite simple. More importantly, it is NOT about the outside person, it is about ME. If we have free time and we want to visit them, and it will be enjoyable – GREAT. That’s it..plain and simple. It doesn’t have to go any further than that. What my mother would do is – make it about the other person even when it doesn’t have to be. She would make it a worry or anxiety, immediately – “wait would others do the same for me.”
Well it doesn’t matter! We want to do this, so we will, if we don’t want to – we won’t! No one is forcing us, or creating pressure.
What a concept. It can be that simple. My mind did veer to the right and go there, but I stopped it. I am in control of my actions, I am in control of what I want to do….so why make worry? If the situation does arise (which it didn’t) that I feel pressured to do something I don’t want to, I can choose accordingly. because I CAN.
This is new. Given that I have always had that “job” I never allowed myself a choice. Moreover, since my parents have been so pushy about attending things that involve them, there never was a “choice.”
-“you must come to your cousin’s baby shower, it will look bad if you don’t –she came to all your events before the wedding, if you don’t come –then they may not come to YOUR wedding.”
-the anniversary example. no need to say more!
– “you seem to always have time away from studying for your friends, what about family.”
-“didn’t you relax at home last weekend, well if you have time this weekend why don’t you do…X”
And it goes on. The combination of this plus the “job” I was given to myself, made it quite difficult to ever choose, allow simplicity to be the baseline, or feel at ease. that is key.
I know as I become exposed to more of “real life” again this will continue to be something I encounter. I know as I become more social, attend more events, communicate with more people – it may feel that I am being “pushed” to places I may not want to go (mentally or physically). When I think about this, this image comes to mind: it is that of a cool, calm, and collected woman. she is will put together, she smiles, she speaks, but she is controlled. She doesn’t over-speak, or over-share, or over-laugh. She simply engages. She backs off when she deems appropriate, and interacts in a way that does not make her uncomfortable.
I have seen many examples of this in my life, we all have. I know that I am capable of being that above woman, as I have in many cases. I also know I am capable of being quite opposite, when I am feeling uneasy! I now know that I have the tools to interact in such a way, but I may not always given the level of discomfort, anxiety, or what I am sensing around me. However, I can practice!
I did practice once this weekend and it felt good. We were speaking to a neighbors (nice couple) about our job hunt, and the girl interjected and began speaking about her job related stress. The old me might have interjected again to get my point across, but I just let her speak. I thought to myself (what good is it going to do to try to make her “see” our point, it’s not really important, so just let her speak). I realize at the end of the conversation that she was extremely anxious and probably just wanted to vent and get some of her thoughts out – so be it! That is fine. It wasn’t a debate to see who was “better heard,” just a plain old conversation that went off on a tangent. oh well!
I smiled to myself after and thought – some things are just not worth exerting energy over. Small one percent battles you don’t have to fight do add up to 100 (if you add 99 more of them throughout your day).
I hope to keep this concept with me. It is easy with people such as neighbors often, but more difficult with people you are close to. We tend to want people we are close to, to truly “hear” us. I see that a lot of that is because we may be struggling to “hear” our own self…so we exert it outwards to have it bounce back. I know now I hear myself loud and clear. My goal every morning when I wake up to when I go to sleep is to hear and listen to myself. I do not need others to do that for me. In fact, no one else can do that for me – they can support me yes, but only I can hear me. I do feel that this will help me to focus more inwards (vs. outwards) throughout my interactions. I do hope so.
I know this was a focus of many of my posts in the past. “How do I focus more inwards, how do I self-trust?” The name of this forum is even self-trust! I see that it wasn’t that I didn’t have the tools, it’s that they were stuck in a deep dark place with poisonous glue all over them – so they weren’t able to breathe or escape. Now that there is cleaning going on in place, the tools can utilize themselves once they unstick. It may be shaky at first given that they haven’t been used in a while; yet, they innately know their way and path – and so they will be directed appropriately in time.
I know this because I see it, because I have practiced it. When my mind went to the right above (visiting friend’s baby) I stopped it – it would only cause self harm to ruminate on what if scenarios. When the neighbor interjected, I let her (It would only cause self harm to exert unnecessary energy to have my voice heard).
Like anything in life, practice makes perfect. I see so many options to practice this throughout my day, that I never saw before. It can be as simple as just listening to someone, without feeling overwhelmed by my own thoughts. What a new concept.
If we allow ourselves, we can.
February 26, 2018 at 6:50 am #194741AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
I read your recent post slowly. Your insight is amazing to me. It just gets better and better.
Regarding simplicity, “Can things really be THIS simple?”
Yes, they can be and you already experienced this simplicity.
You wrote: “My mind did veer to the right and go there, but I stopped it”- that veering is existing neuropathways being activated, and these will continue to be activated daily, for a long, long time. The practice is to stop it, like you did, to insert new thoughts, thoughts that are true to reality, new options that make sense, just like you have been doing.
But the old neuropathways will continue to get activated, and distress will accompany those activations. Now that you are on a social break, you have the time and peace of mind to practice what needs to be practiced. But if and when you interact with some of the people you chose to not interact with currently, the activation will increase in frequency and so will the distress. You will not have enough time during a longer social event to stop the activation and reduce the distress, as you have been doing. There will be a trigger, an activation, distress, then another trigger, another activation.
When you do increase your social circle, do it slowly and gradually, plan to be able to leave a social event at any time. Be selective as to the people you are allowing back into your life, one at a time, perhaps. Evaluate the people you let in, re-evaluate. Slowly, gradually.
anita
February 26, 2018 at 7:15 am #194749Cali ChicaParticipantDear Anita,
I , too, read your post quite slowly, and allowed it to sink in.
Thank you for pointing out that these old neuropathways are going to fire daily, and the thing to do is to stop and insert new thoughts and notions related to reality. I am glad to have had some practice in this, and I know it will be a daily effort.
Also, I do agree that when I become more social, there will not be time for this, and so it may be likely for me to slump or “revert” back to the old ways. I can see it now, I am at a baby shower : a friend comes up to me and says – oh haven’t heard from you, we were surprised you haven’t been in touch. I take a deep breath and comment, something calm and collected but reserved. Later in the afternoon, the same person mentions some new occurences in her life, and I feel compelled to over-compensate and explain my “absence.” That is the crossroads. In my visual I am not sure which way I go. But what I would like is the following: I listen intently at my friend sharing. After she is complete I say, well we can find some time to catch up hopefully over the phone, let’s look into it.
I don’t apologize for my “absence,” I don’t overshare in a public setting, and I don’t feel insecure that I haven’t been doing my “job” of being social. I know this will not be easy, but perhaps practice while I am removed from the social setting for the most part, will allow some of those behaviors to settle in. In addition, I notice what patterns allow me to feel good (such as this scenario), and what do not (old patterns). I hope that slowly what “feels good” will stick and continue – if I am deliberate and allow myself to react this way.
Thank you for also reminding me that when I do return to socialization, I should do so perhaps one person at a time, invite, re-evaluate, and so on. I never in my life have allowed myself space for such. I wasn’t allowed such time, I just had to do!
What a concept of being able to have choice. I choose to interact with you today because I WANT to. I choose to decline your invitation because I don’t WANT to. I choose to pick up the phone because I WANT to. I choose to avoid this conversation because I WANT to. This is not selfish, this is self-preserving.
I also am starting to slowly realize that we do not owe others anything. Well let me rephrase, I do not owe outside people an explanation or apology for taking time to myself. It is quite innate in me to feel the need to justify such behavior, because in fact I am justifying it for myself. Like my previous post states, when we feel the need to be heard loud and clear by others, we often are not hearing our OWN selves clearly enough.
I am proud of myself for taking this space. I look forward to holding on to it and cherishing it. I know there will be many bumps ahead. But I have this solace, I have the space, and I can respect it.
February 26, 2018 at 7:43 am #194753AnonymousGuestDear Cali Chica:
You are welcome.
“when we feel the need to be heard loud and clear by others, we often are not hearing our OWN selves clearly enough”- this is one of your amazing insights. Your posts are most impressive to me. As I wrote to you before, never on tiny buddha, or anywhere else, have I read such superb insight and practice, both. What you are going through is the real thing, real healing.
Keep going, keep going and my goodness, how so much better your life will be for it.
anita
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