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January 16, 2017 at 1:19 am #125374PoppyxoParticipant
Ok, so my relationship with my Mum has just sailed along so to speak, we’ve never really been that close, although I know she loves me, she’s never really said it. She has been present through the aftermath of three breakdowns, most of which brought me back home again after moving out with these boyfriends each time. She has witnessed alot of hurt in me through my relationships and has tried to help physically as much as she can, only the physical help does help me (allowing me to move back in, helping me move back in etc) its the emotional help I need from her. I split with my most recent partner in June last year, but have been on and off in contact with him ever since then. We split up for others reasons but early on in our relationship he was texting his ex girlfriend for revenge. He put a stop to it as I wasn’t happy with it, but after splitting up I discovered he re-opened that area of his life to ‘finish what he started’, this has obviously left me and my Mum (& the rest of my family) devastated and hurt.
My ex turned up at my house last night with flowers to say sorry and to ask for my forgiveness and another chance. I’m honestly feeling lost about this as I feel I have come so far, have been working on my self esteem and self love etc as I didn’t value myself enough when I was with him to be able to accept the fact he was texting his ex in the first place. I love him, but I’m not in love with him. My Mum saw that we were talking in the car outside and when I went inside I asked if she wanted to talk to me or ask any questions, she said no, called him a few nasty names then said “you need to practice what you preach” this upset me and I got slightly angry as I felt it was a personal dig and I didn’t understand it, and I had also asked her if she wanted to talk to which she said no, so was surprised at this reaction from her. I questioned what she meant and it all blew up into a massive argument about how she assumed I was getting back with him. I told her I don’t feel like she supports me and she again went off on one asking what there is to support about going back to someone that screwed me over – at no point did I mention getting back with him.
I walked out to calm down and came back and we spoke. She said she is scared for me as she doesn’t want me going back there because he will do it again etc etc. The more she pushes me and tries to dictate my life for me and the path I want to take (whatever that is) the more it confuses me and pushes me towards him. She goes on about how he is controlling me (I am my own person) but actually she is trying to control me and my situation/life.
She is also having problems with my Dad, and it all comes down to communication really – she thinks/feels something, but instead of talking about it she bottle it up then explodes every now and then. I’ve witnessed this happening quite a lot and I think because of the stress she feels and takes on from my situation, its all adding up for her and she is suffering. I have tried to reason with her and explain she needs to talk with Dad probably or go to marriage counselling to sort it out, but it’s like talking to a brick wall – she says I’m patronizing, talking to her like I’m a teacher and that I’m too young to understand – I’m 26 and currently studying to become a counsellor – so the knowlegde I try to give her is generic and authentic to what should be done in this situation. Shes taken on my problem and her own and everything has got really bad for her, me and my Dad.
I don’t know what I want to do in terms of my ex at the moment but I feel that’s my decision, but living at my parents house it does make it there issue kind of too.
I don’t know how to go about sorting this out as I seem to have tried everything in the right way but she always get angry and doesn’t listen to what I’ve got to say – or she does but interprets it differently – I feel like not only am I battling with my own life, thoughts and feelings, I’m trying to sort her out too!Sorry for the length of this
January 16, 2017 at 1:21 am #125375PoppyxoParticipantSorry Breakups at the very beginning of this – not breakdowns***
January 16, 2017 at 2:33 am #125378Nina SakuraParticipantDear Poppy,
From what I have gathered so far, I can see the following issues –
1) 3 breakups – the present one involving a manipulative ex who wants to come to your life. These experiences have had negative effect on your self esteem so far and affected the morale of your family too. Your choice at the moment is whether to give this relationship another chance or not?
2) Your issues with yourself in the form of self esteem. Currently you are about to be a counsellor. Your choice here is whether to have better self-esteem or not and also whether to use your counselling knowledge with your mother or not.
3) Your relationship with your mother is marked by a huge difference in communication styles. Your approach is more communication-based and emotional. Hers is more action oriented and less communicative. She is struggling with her own issues though in the form of strained relations with your dad. The choice you have here is whether to live with her or not.
We can’t actually question your mom’s intentions towards your well-being – however it’s just that her way isn’t the most effective.
Similarly your approach to help her isn’t effective for her either plus there is a conflict of interest here – as she is your mother, you can’t be entirely objective in applying counselling. Even if you are, she will be less receptive by virtue of the fact that she sees you as her daughter first and a counsellor on a secondary basis.
Then there is the inherent resentment you feel towards her. Her style of supporting feels like interference. You feel like she doesn’t consider your choices appropriate and doubts your ability to handle your life. Thus, you feel like rebelling to spite her. It’s almost like a teenage scenario with the interfering parent who doesn’t listen and the teenager doing exactly the opposite of what they want.
So far, have I understood correctly?
Regards
NinaJanuary 16, 2017 at 3:38 am #125382PoppyxoParticipant1) Yes – but not looking too get back with my ex yet, if at all. His behaviours since the breakup have shown me nothing but negativity due to his own anger at not getting his own way (me) or being annoyed at the situation, so in my eyes if anything were to happen, it would take a while for him to prove his worth.
2) I wouldn’t necessarily say I still have issues, but they are something I will be working on for the rest of my life to be consistent in terms of always loving myself and never letting that leave me. Using my counselling knowledge with my mother is probably not best as it does causes conflict, but I can see her suffering and want to help – how else do I go about helping? I’ve tried ignoring the situation, but I know that’s never useful, especially when her lack of communication ends up digs being made by her too me, which I don’t feel I shuld just accept.
3) Communication differences – 100%. I don’t feel like rebelling in spite of her, it’s just I don’t feel supported in the way I need.
January 16, 2017 at 6:13 am #125392Nina SakuraParticipantHey Poppy,
Can you clarify if you are living with your mother at the moment and the possibility of moving out? Is moving out something you are keen on?
Also, what is your dad’s point of view in this situation with your mother? How are things with him?
Regards
NinaJanuary 16, 2017 at 6:39 am #125394PoppyxoParticipantI am living with my parents yes. The possibility of moving out yet is slim, however possible once I have paid off debts. I am going on a last minute trip to Africa in April through a volunteering opportunity so I am paying that but have about a year left on a loan to pay, so realistically not for a year.
My Dad has said to my Mum that she doesn’t listen and that it would help more if she spoke to me supportively rather than shouting and getting angry. He has battled with her for years, he says she is always right and never listens to anyone else’s thoughts, feelings or opinions. He choose to ‘ignore’ her as he can’t be bothered to stick up for himself and say anything, so just lives an easy life now. She sees this as we’re ganging up on her, but sometimes shes unbearable – most of the family see her way or lack of communication and agree. She is negative a lot of the time, always seeing the bad things in people, taking on others problems and never coming up with solutions to her problems. She would rather just sit and moan and be in denial to it.
January 16, 2017 at 10:44 am #125424AnonymousGuestDear Poppy:
Almost a month ago, you wrote on a previous thread: ” I’m a people pleaser, a rescuer & I over function in relationships so I can where & why this is coming from.”
No wonder you are studying to be a counselor. I think most therapists go into the field because they are driven to rescue, often, to rescue a parent.
Regarding your ex boyfriend, it just so happens your mother is correct, if I may say so. Hey, even a broken clock is correct twice every 24 hours, so it is.
And as competent therapist do learn, sooner or later, you can’t fix your parents, before, during or after the successful completion of the educational training: it is because you lack the objectivity required to heal your parents, their relationship, and your relationships with them.
As a rescuer (your word), best you rescue yourself. So this boyfriend texting his ex, repeatedly, didn’t want a friendship with you. He wanted (a month ago) a physical relationship or nothing at all; he said he won’t wait. So he is back with flowers. Still not wanting to be just friends; still not willing to wait?
anita
January 16, 2017 at 1:44 pm #125447PoppyxoParticipantHi Anita,
Could you clarify what you mean by “Regarding your ex boyfriend, it just so happens your mother is correct, if I may say so. Hey, even a broken clock is correct twice every 24 hours, so it is.”
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“As a rescuer (your word), best you rescue yourself. So this boyfriend texting his ex, repeatedly, didn’t want a friendship with you. He wanted (a month ago) a physical relationship or nothing at all; he said he won’t wait. So he is back with flowers. Still not wanting to be just friends; still not willing to wait?”January 16, 2017 at 2:08 pm #125449AnonymousGuestDear Poppy:
Regarding the first, every person is correct sometimes, no matter how often incorrect otherwise. By stating that I believe your mother is correct about your boyfriend, I was making the point that her being correct on the issue of your boyfriend, does not make her correct about other issues.
Regarding the second: your boyfriend (ex, maybe current, at this point) is not trustworthy as far as I see it. His texting his ex girlfriend repeatedly is inappropriate for a man in a relationship with a new girlfriend; his stated reasoning, that it is “for revenge”- simply cements the inappropriateness of the texting, meaning he is emotionally involved with her in a way that takes away from and betrays his relationship with you.
I suggested to you before, being on a friend status with him, so to re-evaluate him over time, but he refused that, stating he will not be waiting for you, meaning he wants a sexual relationship to resume right away and has no time for friendship. That means to me that he will not take the reasonable consequences of his wrongdoing (the texting), same as not taking responsibility for his wrongdoing.
These things lead me to side with your mother on this one issue- wrong man for an honest, loving, honorable relationship.
(will be back to the computer in a few hours)
anita
January 16, 2017 at 10:38 pm #125508Nina SakuraParticipantDear Poppy,
For now, it is best you focus on establishing yourself and growing emotionally strong. This means working towards establishing boundaries, growing career wise which is something you have mentioned in other posts too. Since it is not possible for you to have a physical distance from your mom till april, it would be helpful if you has awareness about your own emotions when she launches into her jibes about you.
The emotions that you feel then are important to observe. When she makes a comment about you, how do you feel in particular? If you could give words to the emotions, what would they be?
Has she ever praised you and why do you feel like she doesn’t see you at par with the other siblings?
Regards
NinaJanuary 16, 2017 at 11:05 pm #125509PoppyxoParticipantOk that’s makes more sense to me now.
I would be lying if I didn’t say a small part of me would like for me & my ex too work, however, when I have discussed with him in the past that I need to work on myself & he needs to prove over a long period of time that he wants us to work & be a nicer person (he has been quite negative during our break up due to his emotions & not really being able to control them, so gets annoyed & shows that) he seems to think he has changed & got that under wraps. Now I know people can change, but is it unfair for me to almost expect him to wait? Because in a nut shell that’s almost what I’m doing his interpretation is “I’m going to work on myself for a few months, wait for me, put your life on hold & we’ll reconnect in 6 months” what do these thoughts from him translate too, in your eyes? Because I do think he has a valid point, however there is no other way for me.I struggle to see the obvious parts in this as I am emotionally involved so I do apologise if sometimes you may wonder why I don’t see obvious things.
In regards to my Mum, when she says these little digs at me it makes me angry the majority or the time, sometimes I can snap at her, sometimes I can almost make a joke & sometimes I walk away. It makes me feel annoyed that she can’t just talk to me & instead digs with what she wants to say. Sometimes I don’t mind ignoring it, sometimes I can’t help but respond negatively. I also don’t understand how I can just allow it by walking away, I suppose that in itself gives her a signal of being upset? Because when I try to talk to her about how I feel she tells me not everything is about me – so I will use I messages “I feel sad because…” But even that doesn’t seem to work. I’ve had a fear instilled within me for years that I’ve struggled to tell people (romantic relationships in particular) how I feel, I guess we were never brought up to be emotionally open so I never really have been & have battled for years with that, so then when I do open up with her I get faced with the same wall I have from others this makes me want to retreat into my cave again, I have explained this to her, but she took it on as if I was blaming her for being that way & that it was her fault??…..
January 17, 2017 at 12:14 am #125510Nina SakuraParticipantDear Poppy,
What everyone outside of you is saying is perspective. This is something which will help you get a clearer view of the situation. As you said, you are more emotionally involved and hence can’t make note of every perspective on your own. In the end, the decision must be yours.
If this man is truly the one, then 6 months of waiting isnt a big deal. You need to feel at ease with yourself before you can have a more comfortable relationship with another. He needs to be in a place where you can trust him again. So taking time away isnt a bad idea. It gives him the freedom to move on if he wants or stay if he wants to be with you. If offers you the space needed to really understand whether you want to be with him or not.
None of us here can make that decision for you. We don’t know your relationship like you do but what every advisor basically wants is for you to be happy, in a good place.
Regarding your mother’s ways – truth be said, I doubt she can change unless she realises that there is a problem with having this much of negativity and wants to change herself. At best, having a third person counsel her will be best if she is actually interested.
If she isn’t, there is very little you can do here except to work on your own response.
I don’t mean this in terms of how you react externally only. I mean this in terms of how you feel internally when those harse words come.
You wrote elsewhere that you always tried to be the good kid to be in her good books but never quite felt close to her. It’s time you accept that you will be her daughter no matter what and though she is harsh in her ways, it is hr intentions which aren’t bad. Her negativity is more about her problems than you actually. Didn’t you say she is like this with everyone mostly?
Who knows maybe she has some kind of depression too that makes her so negative and irritable?
In terms of what you can do, it would be helpful if you answer back in a very calm way that you are trying hard and would appreciate if she understood that. That change needs time and patience. You are working on that.
Of course she won’t get it immediately but your voice needs to be heard. Things will improve over time as you become more independent
She needs to start seeing you as a calm yet assertive adult capable of making her own choices and taking help when needed.It’s actually good you are headed to Africa in April. This will give you space from both mom and ex to figure yourself out.
Here is an article I found which may give you some ideas –
https://www.psychologies.co.uk/how-manage-toxic-mother
Post any time soon
Regards
NinaJanuary 17, 2017 at 4:30 am #125514PoppyxoParticipantThank you Nina, this is very helpful.
I will read the article and I hope to gain some insight and knowledge from it.
I have read before an article called “the difficult person exercise” where you try to understand how someone else is feeling and take what they say with a pinch of salt almost and whilst they’re talking you see there difficulties.After our massive argument on Sunday we haven’t really communicated, but I haven’t ignored her either, just not spoken about the subject at hand. I do feel it needs to be spoken of again, but not sure how to come about bringing it up?
January 17, 2017 at 8:29 am #125520AnonymousGuestDear Poppy:
Regarding his complain that he has to put his life on hold while you figure things out, that was not my understanding of the plan. My memory of it was that you and him will continue your relationship as friends, that is, everything remains the same except that you do not have sexual relations, that is all. So there is no putting one’s life on hold. Him texting his ex, repeatedly, and you being distressed by it (as I would be) requires putting on hold the sexual part, the gf/ bf part, more so until HE figures out why he kept texting her and will he continue to do so…
Regarding your mother, this is a lost case, if I may say so. After all these years of her rejecting you (dismissing your feelings, discouraging honest communication), stop trying. Give up on honest, deep communication with her. If it was possible, it would already have happened. Give up on her and give up on “difficult people”- that is rejecting, emotionally dishonest people-
Gravitate toward emotionally honest people- there is where healing and growth is.
anita
January 17, 2017 at 8:58 am #125523PoppyxoParticipantHi Anita,
Thanks again for your time.In regards to the ex boyfriend situation, I must not have updated. Last time I told him I needed to heal and figure things out for myself. I feel I need to find my self love, & I’ve realised I hold relationships through fear of being alone, being needy etc.. Once I truly love myself and my life, that is when I feel I can let someone, whether it be him or not, in. He responded that he wasn’t ‘waiting around’ and that was kind of that, that’s when a week or so later he turned up at my house with flowers asking for me back again. I have said to him I need time to think, but will revisit this with him this week and say the same a what I’ve said above. Nothings changed and probably won’t for a few months, maybe years, I can’t put a time limit on it.
As I live with her currently and haven’t got much choice not too, what do you mean when you you say stop trying? I admit I am guilty in feeling like I want to change her, I need to accept that I can’t. I do this because I know I can help ‘fix’ the problems – but in a counselling way – but as people have said, you can’t do this with your parents. She gets offended by my advice, which I guess I shouldn’t freely give, as with my friends I ask “Can I give you my advice?” before proceeding or wait for them to ask me. But when your Mum is crying in front of you because of something she feels is wrong with my Dad, how can I deal with that? “Sorry this problem is something I cannot deal with, I love you and I care you, however, Dad is the person you need to speak with, not me” ? Would this be a good example? I just feel all her anger towards him was put on me and also in regards to my ex boyfriend, I appreciate she is scared if I got back with him, but I haven’t said I am going too, she’s made an assumption, even after giving her the option to speak to me. So I get that I need to stop trying, but when things directly effect me, how can I?
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