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  • #406265
    Anonymous
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    Hi Alecsee

    I’m sorry that you’re having a hard time with the woman you have been seeing.

    I can see where the confusion has come in since you hadn’t discussed being exclusive. Other than that, I can see that you are generally very clear with your communication. Whereas the woman you have been seeing isn’t and expects you to read her mind.

    If you think you can forgive her seeing someone while you weren’t exclusive I would suggest being clear with her about being exclusive and see if this is something that she would be interested in.

    Otherwise, process this situation however you find most helpful. Perhaps, since you are closing a house you shouldn’t stress yourself about this since you are already going through a stressful situation?

    I can understand being excited and wanting to spoil someone early in a relationship but it does create some unrealistic expectations and difficulties with relationships after the phase ends.

    You seem like a really great guy with a good head on your shoulders. I hope the pain that you are in over this situation lessens. 🙏

    #406268
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Alecsee:

    I will paraphrase (with quotes) what you shared, best I can: you (a “straightforward and a stubborn person.. outgoing personality“) had a long-term relationship that ended 4 years ago. Since then, you had this pattern in relationships: “things go great the first two months and I feel my partner is super into me.. I stop trying to impress the partner and then things slowly going downhill“.

    Less than 5 months ago, you met a woman (“very shy but very outspoken… high maintenance and requires a lot of attention.. socially awkward.. laid back“) on Bumble, talked to her for 2 weeks, then dated her. After the 1st month, fitting with your pattern, you stopped trying to impress her. You did “gf and bf stuff” with her but never made it official.  In regard to the relationship, you wrote: She displayed a lot of care for me, more than I gave her so I understand I made her feel underappreciated“.

    Recently, “She went with a guy coworker… A day or two later in the week she went to the movies with the guy“. During the long talks you had with her since, she complained that you don’t take her out anymore (“she told she felt like we weren’t doing anything together.. She felt maybe that I was done putting effort“), that “she was tired of trying so hard“, that you criticized her and didn’t listen to her (“She said I criticized and didn’t listen to her“), that you yelled at your cats (“she said I should stop yelling at my cats“),  and she said that she didn’t believe that you can or will change (“She was saying I wasn’t gonna change, people don’t change“).

    About her going out with the other guy, you wrote: “It hurts because yes, even though we never said we were mutually exclusive, I felt we were… she went behind my back, but it wasn’t technically wrong because we never said we were gf and bf even though it felt like it“.

    In March 2019, you shared about the long-term (four years) relationship that you mentioned in this thread: “I started getting constantly mad at her a lot and taking it out on her…she sees me as this angry guy ..had weekly emotional outbursts… the emotional outbursts are when I can’t take it and I start being aggressive… Just saying stuff that makes her put her defenses up and causes argument“.  She too was seeing another guy at the ending stage of the relationship: “she says that I don’t like to go out that much and she and the other guy does…  the other guy doesn’t argue as much“,”.

    In Aug-September 2019 you shared about a girlfriend you had for 5 months after the ex of four years: “Everything was fine, until an argument that  could have been avoided on my end if I had not had a small emotional outburstIt just sucks because we promised each other we would do all these wild sexual things I’ve never experienced… and it sucks not being to carry those out. Thats probably why I am sad and why I am regretting and why I cannot let go.. (she) said that I was too needy and too sexual for her“.

    – Having re-read much of your previous threads, including the 2020 thread for hours today, I think that the key to your relationship unsatisfaction is in this sentence (Aug 28, 2022): “I get complacent and cocky in the sense that I stop trying to impress the partner“-

    – I think that you connect to your girlfriends more sexually emotionally, that you try to impress them, but not to know them or to be known by them. And as a result, you don’t know them or yourself well enough. Let’s look at how you characterized your most recent girlfriend: “very shy but very outspoken… high maintenance and requires a lot of attention.. socially awkward.. laid back“- this description doesn’t sound right to me: if she is very shy (being reserved, showing nervousness or timidity in the company of other people), how can she be very outspoken (express criticism about controversial topics directly and openly)?

    If she has a shy and socially awkward personality, how can she also have a laid back personality?

    And if she is high maintenance, how is it that she was okay a day or a week, or a whole month without you taking her out on dates?

    Let’s look at your characterization of yourself in this thread: “straightforward.. outgoing personality“- to be straightforward means to be uncomplicated and easy to understand,  but having re-read your posts and particularly your original post in this thread, to me- you are complicated and difficult to understand (this is why it’s been taking me hours trying to understand you).

    If you are generally straightforward, how is it that you felt that you wanted to be mutually exclusive with her, and yet you didn’t tell her what you felt (“we never said we were mutually exclusive…. even though it felt like it“).

    Outgoing means to be friendly and socially confident, but from having re-read your threads, you come across as generally significantly anxious and self-doubting, not confident: “I always over analyze everything… Doubting myself since I’m hard on myself a lot of the time… tend to overthink everything... I just dread not knowing what’s going on. I like knowing and being in control… If I don’t know I panic become anxious and can’t think straight“.

    * According to what you shared, you are also given to angry outbursts in the contexts of relationships.

    You ended your current thread with: “This has been eating at me, Anxiety, crying stress.. What do you guys think I should do? Go all in and tell her… or just disappear… Any help/remarks are appreciated…. thank u for reading!“-

    -You are welcome. I think that you should disappear from her life, but reappear in your own life: get to know yourself better, more deeply and thoroughly. If you can afford psychotherapy, quality therapy would be the best place for you to get to know yourself better. Certain support groups can provide this opportunity as well. You are welcome to post again and maybe having conversations here with members can help you as well.

    anita

     

    #406283
    Alecsee
    Participant

    I definitely agree with a lot with what you said. You dissected it perfectly. The problem was not asking her out because then perhaps we could have worked through the problems instead of her running away. Thanks for insight. Gonna give it one last try and then just give up and stop talking to her and move on. Thanks Anita. Whatever follow up definitely helps you are always helping me!

    #406285
    Alecsee
    Participant

    Oh dang my message got refreshed and deleted. Helcat, thank you for your kind words it means a lot. Instead of sending her all my sentimental feelings (I retracted them) I got her some flowers and a card explaining what she means to me. The one thing that I do regret is not handing them over to her myself. I just left them on her porch. I did this #1 cuz I thought she needed space. But I hadn’t seen her since Tuesday of this week. And I didn’t let her pick what she wanted to see so we were both watching our stuff and eventually we did watch our thing. Since then she went out to the movies with him and went solo clubbing with him on his birthday yesterday so now I know they’re spending a lot more time. And there’s a chance for them to get intimate. So it’s like an ultimatum sadly. Idk exactly what type of relationship they have but it doesn’t sound like it’s just friends Even tho it could be. It’s not looking good. I think my ultimatum has to be that either she takes me back or I walk away from her life entirely because she was willing to hurt me and trample my heart after the fact. I get the not establishing the mutually exclusive, I messed up on that. I have to take responsibility for that decision but in terms of pride and dignity I can’t let someone just take that even if we had good times. She doesn’t like confrontation and she is immature because she hasn’t had many relationships. She knows what she did and what it’s doing to me. So I’ll just live with the consequences. I really do dig her personality but if it’s worth her being selfish and running over someone she cares about then it just wasn’t meant to be. However long it was gonna last or for eternity. J know I sound like it’s all her fault but I’m just venting. It just sucks cuz I could have asked her to be my girlfriend and these problems would have been addressed at some point. But that’s all hindsight. I made a decision and I have to live with that decision

    #406286
    Anonymous
    Guest

    You are welcome and thank you for being gracious with me. I wish you well and please post again here or in a new thread on any topic, anytime.

    anita

    #406293
    Alecsee
    Participant

    Well I wasn’t able to log in and I blew up her message inbox with a lot of them. Apparently she said she had errands to run.  I’m pretty sure she spent the night at his house. She looked at the flowers but my ultimatum was ignored cuz the writing was so illegible so I kind of blew up on her. If I fight it would have to be with no hiding anything and no lying so maybe the trust went down the toilet. Really sucks cuz we really vibe and have great chemistry. Her needing time to process is seeing what’s out there. I’ve chased and waited before and i just Break down like I am right now. I guess it was my fault for not making it official, but not really. Don’t know why I didn’t, just haven’t committed in a long time I guess cuz I don’t want to get hurt but it happens anyway. So would have been a Good call. Sigh I need to focus on the house 🏠

    #406295
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Alecsee

    It sounds like you’ve done everything you can. You let her know how you feel. I agree, chasing and waiting is not a good idea. This situation is painful, but we cannot control the emotions and decisions of another person. She has to decide for herself what she wants.

    You might owe her an apology for blowing up on her. It isn’t her fault that it was hard to read your message.

    I can understand not being ready to commit so soon. It’s unfortunate that things have worked out this way.

    What usually helps you refocus when you’re stressed? Do you do any self care practices?

    #406321
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Alecsee:

    I blew up her message inbox with a lot of them…. I kind of blew up on her“- sh… shh…  let quiet silence enter your loud, noisy brain, calming it down… hushing it gently.

    If I fight“- sh… shh… no fighting, Alecsee. No fighting. Gently hush the fighting voices in your head.

    I guess it was my fault for not making it official, but not really“- your fault or not: which one is it,  really?

    anita

    #406562
    Alecsee
    Participant

    So yeah guys hi! We are doing good again. I asked her to bring my condoms as an excuse to see her again and because she was gonna have a roommate move in with her (her good friend that is a girl). She said she was going to bring my sweaters over as well and that hurt me cuz then it would feel like it was truly over. We did get into a fight. But we made up the next day. thiings have been good with us since and she seems to compliment me a lot. So suddenly i just asked if she wanted to hang out but she is leaving out of town with her roommate and tonight, it looks like she will have a fancy dinner with the guy. I was suprised because she had been talking a lot with me and it seemed like things slowed down for them. But she still is somewhat curious in what that can bring and I have a lot of things to take care of. Working side jobs to get this house. I am not a jealous type but I feel we are reconnecting again and ofc I know her stance but I feel like after her roommate moves in the guy wont have a lot of opportunity to get intimate with her. Is there anything I can say like past memories that can prolong this abstincence lol i just got an idea and i know I sound ridiculous but if there is little chance for intimacy with them, I may be able to get back into the picture. Thank guys I am slowly healing but i think it sucks

    #406593
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Alecsee

    I’m glad that things have improved. However, I’m curious what your plans are moving forward? It sounds like she plans on dating both of you. Are you okay with that? Or are you going to give her a timeframe to make a decision?

    Wishing you all the best! 🙏

    #406596
    Alecsee
    Participant

    I dont think I can. I read this article yesterday and i think it has to be right.

    https://magnetofsuccess.com/ex-dating-someone-else-already-it-hurts/#google_vignette

     

    It basically says they dont care anyone but themselves. And that she has decided to see whats out there. and that she either has to fail in that relationship or have it be successful. And that by no contact, I can maybe help her miss me or just move on. I mean, it has only been two weeks, but they have gone out 4 times while I just see her here and there cuz she is returning something. She kept my sweaters but I had to tell her to keep em. Like it sounds like she wants to try with a new person, Me being there trying to impress will make her happy but wont make her miss me since Im there. I dont think im dating her anymore. If in 2 weeks (16 days) she has gone out with a guy and I know she moves fast, then what can I do? I cant keep assuming all these dates are pure, they are either having sex or very close to. So i dont know . 16 days ago I was just laying next to her and being intimate and now its like its not the same person. It definitely started before the 2 weeks on her end.So idk if this is the  best approach. Because although we really have fun conversations, I get mad and feel she is toying with me. Basically she knows my feelings, Ive asked to get back and through her actions she is saying otherwise. When we talk she starts to reminisce about us and me as person. So i dunno. I really enjoy talking to her is the thing. But  I also dont want to be idly by and just be the guy who waits. She loves attention so I fear when I stop talking to her, is when she thinks I will have given up. Her way of things is a bit skewed imo. Its hard to stop talking to someone who has been in your life for 4.75 weeks and just stop talking to them. I think if ppl walk out her life, she just lets it happen. Because she is cold and helpless in that matter. She will try only in the beggining

     

    So i guess things arent going so good. I feel good at times cuz I am doing me and focusing on myself but it just is frustrating when she goes out with him after we vibe.

    We send voice messages and she even is open to phone calls. The problem is that she is with another person she is interested in, she does not look at her phone at all. Not a single time. Maybe in a 4 hour span, who knows. That isnt good news

    She might also be scared of losing me as she does share pics but literally I am not the one that is having sex, she wanted to have sex after the 2nd meet up. I waited to the 3rd or 4th i think cuz I wanted to know her as  person.  Its so frustrating cuz I enjoy talking to her but I get bothered by this. I can tlet somoone walk all over me. Even if we have pleasant and fun convos

    #406606
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Alecsee

    Sadly, non committed sexual relationships are very common these days. Many people have multiple partners. I don’t think it indicates that they don’t care about anyone but themselves. Simply that they are exploring their options. She has a right to explore her options.

    That being said, being on the receiving end of this when you are ready to commit is a very hurtful place to be in. You must do what is right for you to protect yourself.

    Personally, I don’t think much of the absence makes the heart grow fonder strategy. Your relationship has been fairly short and experienced difficulties. I don’t think there will be much for her to miss and absence would lead to forgetting.

    #406617
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Dear Alecsee:

    I waited to the 3rd or 4th I think cuz I wanted to know her as  person“- good to read that you waited so to get to know her as a person. I think that it is a very good idea that in the future, you wait even longer so to get to know a woman as a person first, perhaps for a whole month or two, or even longer. Wouldn’t that be exciting?

    anita

    #406662
    Alecsee
    Participant

    Helcat,

    i agree with your absense stance. I think she is that type of woman, like if you don’t stay in her life, she will think you don’t want to be in her life and she will accept it. Now as for having múltiple partners. I don’t think she’s like that. She hasn’t asked me to hang out or said yes to a hangout since last Friday when she said no. I also haven’t asked her in the two weeks. Just to get the condoms back. Cuz I was hurting for the sudden cut off and her hanging with him múltiple times. Friday was spontaneous and I know she can be busy. She was going out with the other guy. I think she Just wants to get in a relationship. So if I haven’t hung out with in 2 weeks, how can I ask her to hang if she has been saying yes to all his Invitations and I’ve just been healin

     

     

    Anita, I waited long enough. That’s not the point. I just was waiting for the right moment in the 3rd hangout

    #406673
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Alecsee

    I’m confused? I thought you essentially broke up with her because she was seeing someone else at the same time as you. Is this not accurate?

    I’m glad that you have been healing.

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