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July 25, 2017 at 6:34 am #160024AnonymousGuest
Dear Scott:
Zoloft is an antidepressant, but it is prescribed at times, as it was in my case, for the sole purpose of alleviating OCD. Another SSRI antidepressant, Fluvoxamine (Luvox) is used primarily for the treatment of OCD.
You wrote: “I’d like to hear more about your individual experience because it’s probably good for you to talk about it”- are you referring to my last post to you where I wrote to you: “I can share more about my individual experience with these and other drugs”? If so, I offered to share specifically about my experience with Zoloft and the benzodiazepines you are considering. There are side effects to consider as well as addiction, particularly to the latter. Also, these drugs provide relief, at best (which is good enough when the distress is significant), but they do not provide healing. They do not cure a single thing. Quality psychotherapy is the way to heal while you take these drugs or not.
Without therapy, such practices as calming guided meditations, moving meditation (mindfulness), tai chi, slow yoga will slow down the anxious, rushing-to-think brain. These practices do work.
anita
July 25, 2017 at 7:31 am #160044ScottParticipantDear Anita,
I was prescribed Zoloft for my anxiety because it works to alleviate the generalized anxiety I have as well as the panic attacks I used to suffer from. For a while now, I’ve just been on it to maintain a stable mood, and because I have other things going on in my life that could be considered stressful such as school, work, volunteering, etc. I’m interested in talking to my doctor about Fluvoxamine, as you said it is used primarily for OCD and would maybe be more effective in keeping those ruminating thoughts of mine on a lower priority level, so that I won’t give them power.
I would be interested in hearing your experience on the medications, with how they affected you and the outcome of taking them. How did they play a role in your life? The most troubling factor in my opinion is it can sometimes be a lot of work to focus on fixing a problem with other things going on like I mentioned above, so I’m hoping to experience relief from the medicine but practice working on my thoughts and behavior.
Scott
July 25, 2017 at 8:14 am #160072AnonymousGuestDear Scott:
My experience with psychiatric drugs (1996-2013):
1. There is no healing in psychiatric drugs/ medicine. At best there is a relief of distress. It can be helpful to be on those, to experience relief, while attending quality psychotherapy. Healing is in psychotherapy.
2. Zoloft is a stimulating SSRI, this is why I took it in the mornings. On the other hand, Luvox was not, and I took it at bedtime.
3. It is difficult for me to determine how hard it was to get off a specific psychiatric drug because I took three kinds. I think that the most difficulty was withdrawing from Klonipin, the benzodiazepine, anti-anxiety drug. For 17 years taking Klonipin, I slept very well. Not when withdrawing. When withdrawing I experienced more anxiety than I did before I started taking it. The anxiety attacks were very difficult. After a few months of withdrawing and suffering from insomnia and increased anxiety, I went back on it for another year and finally withdrew from it successfully.
4. Having been on these drugs I slept well. I was still as anxious as before, still as dysfunctional as before, maybe even more dysfunctional (not operating for my own benefit, wasting my time and resources). At best, I didn’t feel as bad as before. Meaning, my subjective experience of my dysfunction was not as bad, at times, as before.
5. Anxiety is still part of my life. I am still working on it. As you know, intellect does not resolve anxiety. You can’t intellectualize anxiety away, reason it away… or cure it with any drug- there is no drug that will cure anxiety. It takes a process of healing. Part of healing takes courage- not intellect- but courage to endure fear and believe you can survive it. There is no substitute to the practice of Mindfulness in the process of healing.
anita
July 25, 2017 at 11:10 am #160118ScottParticipantDear Anita,
I would agree with your statements above, medicine is only there to aid you, but doesn’t necessarily fix the problem. It truly takes courage to go head on with fear and whatever it may be that is slowing you down in life. I do feel that Zoloft is a stimulating SSRI as well, because it tends to wake me up in the morning. I have only ever taken benzodiazepines once, Xanax, during my last semester to see how it would work with all my tests going on. I would say it is very helpful in relieving lots of stress and tension after studying/taking tests and does indeed make naps/sleeping easier. I don’t want to become dependent on such a drug though, so I will have to see what works and what doesn’t. I would also agree no degree of intellect can solve the puzzle of anxiety, as it exists as a part of us. I do believe it takes the right mindset and being mindful to move on in hard circumstances, like I’m experiencing right now.
I have noticed my anxiety/OCD goes through different phases, focuses on whatever is present in my life, and it’s just something I will have to learn to deal with. It likes to get to me, whether about my goals or relationships or socially, it’s always there to tell me something. I just know that there is more to life than worrying and will give it all I’ve got to enjoy it and make the most of it.
Scott
July 26, 2017 at 12:11 pm #160356AnonymousGuestDear Scott:
You wrote that medicine “doesn’t necessarily fix the problem”- in case of anxiety, you can ask the psychiatrist who prescribes Zoloft to you and who may prescribe other drugs for your anxiety/ OCD symptoms if these drugs can possibly fix the problem, or, in other words, cure the anxiety. I wonder if any psychiatrist will answer this question with a yes.
These drugs are at best “very helpful in relieving lots of stress and tension”- and there is a benefit for relief. But there is a price to pay for that relief.
I like your statement: “I will have to see what works and what doesn’t.”
You wrote: “I have noticed my anxiety/OCD… focuses on whatever is present in my life”- it is like fire, igniting whatever is in its way.
Healing is possible, through quality psychotherapy that I hope you will have one day. The practice of Mindfulness will help anytime, before therapy, the retraining of the mind. That is possible for you.
Post again, anytime.
anita
July 29, 2017 at 6:23 pm #161002ScottParticipantDear Anita,
I’m in the process of taking 150 mg of Zoloft to see how it can aid in my thoughts and lifting me up when I get down. I’m trying to be mindful and stay present, but I find it hard to slow down my thoughts. I know that breathing is essential (and other techniques), but as busy as I am how can I change my thoughts. I’ll find that when I’m at work I’ll be sitting there thinking, and it mostly consists of my girlfriend. I don’t understand something; how I start creating a path of negativity when I don’t get my expectations met. It feels like those little things we have talked about, like text messaging and stuff, I feel that when I don’t get an expectation met, I get upset and angry and then start the cycle of thinking. I just want to love my girlfriend and think positively about her, but it’s like my mind creates a bad picture of her in my mind. Now, I have mentioned some negative things, but I have improved in terms of not worrying so much about abandonment or losing her love.
Basically I just need to figure out some ways to change or eliminate the negative thinking that comes on so quickly when I don’t get an expectation met or see something that I might take personally.
Scott
July 29, 2017 at 6:25 pm #161004ScottParticipantDear Anita,
Another thing that I’d like to add is that I feel like I’m always pulling things from the past into the present. I feel like I base my decisions and thinking off of past times – negative ones. Why do I do this and what can I do to fix this?
Scott
July 30, 2017 at 6:20 am #161038AnonymousGuestDear Scott:
About your “negative thinking that comes on so quickly when (you) don’t get an expectation met”- this negative thinking comes on automatically. It is not subject to your choosing. Something happens in reality or a thought occurs that triggers this automatic negative thinking. It will not stop because you want it to stop. It will not stop because you don’t like it. Nor will it stop because it is unhelpful. It will continue to happen regardless.
The way to stop it is over a long time of intentional effort, endurance, patience and gentleness with yourself. Nothing less will work. The intentional-effort part is the following: once you recognize the automatic thinking already started, you insert new thinking into it. The new thinking is thinking that is congruent with reality. In other words, you insert reality into your distorted thinking, where it is, indeed, distorted. For example, she doesn’t text you back fast enough, the negative, automatic thinking already started. Don’t get angry with yourself (be gentle), and understand it is, in its very nature, automatic, not only in your case, it is a human thing. Then proceed to insert new thinking into the automatic thinking: maybe she is in the bathroom… (I hope people don’t answer their phone when in the bathroom…)
You wrote: “always pulling things from the past into the present…Why do I do this and what can I do to fix this?” First, everyone does it, not only you. Second, same answer as above: it is automatic to pull things from the past, the brain does this automatically and often it is helpful for the individual- if you pull a solution from the past that worked then, you can use it in the present instead of wasting time as if you never had the problem before. As to how to stop doing this when it is not helpful, same answer as above: insert new thinking into this automatic thinking.
That inserting of new, reality congruent thinking, has to be done again and again, no matter how exhausting and tiring and no matter how you feel.
anita
July 30, 2017 at 1:45 pm #161136ScottParticipantDear Anita,
I understand the negative thinking is automatic and that I need to calm myself down, but I just get so frustrated sometimes. It feels like I’m the only one in the relationship that suffers/struggles. I know I’ve addressed this already, but her not making the effort to start conversations is really driving me up the wall. I know my expectations can be high at times, but don’t you think it’s a bit much for me to always reaching out? I understand that this isn’t really a big deal to some people, but to me, after some thinking, I get very annoyed with it. I feel like I put in more work in this relationship. Like I mentioned before, I’m like the entertainment, never her. I’m the one who goes to see her, she rarely visits me. It’s just a lot of frustration building up and it gets hard to tolerate. I figure if you love and miss someone, you would at least try to call or text them.
Scott
July 31, 2017 at 4:49 am #161228AnonymousGuestDear Scott:
You wrote: “I understand the negative thinking is automatic and that I need to calm myself down”- what I suggested to you in my last post is to insert new thinking to the old automatic thinking. I think you missed that part.
Regarding the relationship: How far is she living from you currently and how many times during this long distance relationship did she visit you and how many times did you visit her?
During any particular day, do you text or call her first? At what part of the day? How often does she text or call you first? Once you text her, how long does it take her to respond, or how long before you send her a second text regarding her not answering the first?
Can you post an example of a (shorter) conversation between the two of you where you are reaching out, entertaining and she is not?
anita
July 31, 2017 at 8:20 am #161264ScottParticipantDear Anita,
Yeah I think I did somewhat miss out on that part, just under a lot of stress at the moment.
We live a couple of hours away and I’ve visited her quite a few times more than she has visited me.
Everyday, it is me to send a message or a snapchat first. Usually in the morning. She has texted or snap chatted me first maybe once or twice a month. She usually responds after like 20 minutes or so, depending on the day and what she’s doing. And if she’s upset, I usually wait it out for a while before sending something else.
It can be as simple as me sending a big message and something exciting but she gives little feedback and the response is short. It feels like I’m always the one putting more effort into these messages and lifting her mood. I’m not really thinking straight right now, it’s hard to come up with a conversation, I apologize.
Scott
July 31, 2017 at 9:16 am #161290AnonymousGuestDear Scott:
I understand. It is difficult, maybe impossible, to think straight when distressed. And so, it is wise to not think when distressed, not to think about anything not necessary for the practical needs of the moment. That includes not texting her, when distressed. Focus on the moment, on the needs of the moment, the next hour, the day. Return to this thread when you are calm, be it when it will be.
anita
July 31, 2017 at 4:20 pm #161464ScottParticipantDear Anita,
I feel calm as of right now. I am currently dealing with the negative emotions of my girlfriend and it seems impossible to get through to her. When she is angry, she is like a brick wall. I can’t say anything without her sending some short, snobby text and she puts no effort into finding a resolution. She’s also upset/mad/worried at me for reasons she won’t tell me. I know I talked about having a serious talk with her in person, I just haven’t been able to do that yet. I would say this is the worst it has been because there’s so much tension between us. Over a couple of days, she became more distant and withdrew from engaging in our conversations and sort of became annoyed. I don’t know why I still feel drawn to her, because none of it is my fault. Obviously there are some things about her surfacing that are making her think crazy.
Scott
August 1, 2017 at 7:24 am #161538AnonymousGuestDear Scott:
I am guessing that the troubles in your relationship is a combination of her dysfunction and your dysfunction, that is, inadequate communication, assertion, understanding, too much anxiety that interferes, and so on. Thing is, if this relationship is not a Win for you, if it takes away from you, then better pause it or end it. Keep that in mind.
Recently you had your Zoloft up to 150 mg per day, how long have you been on the increased dosage and are you feeling any different?
anita
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