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February 18, 2016 at 9:22 pm #96450dfhParticipant
I don’t usually let my thoughts out on a public forum, but tonight I feel the need to get some feedback on something that’s happened to me. I’ve had a friend for a little over a year that I guess you could say I developed feelings for. Being who I am, I felt that telling her would be worse than just keeping it to myself. Apparently my attempts to keep it under wraps didn’t work and she found out, but she didn’t say anything to me until I mentioned it in conversation. And even at that point I didn’t fully tell her how I feel because it was a moot point. For one, she wouldn’t date anyone like me anyway, and two she stated that she didn’t want to date anyone at all. Shortly after this she started talking more and more to another friend in her home town that she used to go to high school with, and shortly thereafter became distant with me. Stopped responding to my calls, stopped answering my calls, not replying to text messages, pretty much it felt like she was ignoring me. We finally discussed it because I’ve been dealing with depression among other things, and I did feel and the thought of suicide is still there in my thoughts. I want to make it absolutely clear though, I will not take my life. Thoughts and actions are two totally different things. Some people don’t quite understand that, but I’m in the situation where that does become a very tempting option to get rid of everything i’m facing at the moment.
She’s had an ex that committed suicide and the thought of me and me talking about it has as she’s stated it, pushed her away from me because she doesn’t want to hear me talking that way. I asked her if I was being replaced by her “friend” and she stated no, but I feel that’s a lie. He’s coming down this weekend and they’re going out, and it seems like i’ve been pushed aside for him. I do care about her and she was at one point a close friend. But now I feel like i’ve been kicked to the curb now that she has someone else to talk to. I feel like i’ve been lied to and disrespected. And it’s come to the point where I’m mad at her. I don’t want to be mad at her, but at the same time, i’m just a friend. A pathetic friend.
My question is, why do we lie to others instead of just telling them the truth? and should I have the right to feel this way towards her or am I being a little too petty about this? It’s driving me nuts. . . .February 18, 2016 at 11:34 pm #96456AnonymousInactiveDfh,
You are not pathetic and I’m glad you told her in a way that you felt most comfortable at the time. Nothing wrong with that. Her not responding to you reaching out to her, isn’t personal obviously. It’s always the person not responding, who is having the issue(s) with normal and simple communication. Sounds like she may have a lot going on in her life that you may not know about, just a guess but I wouldn’t take it personal. Let her come around and contact you when she’s ready and if she doesn’t, you will find someone who is normal and knows who to communicate with you. In any type of normal relationship, an ebb and flow of communication is healthy and the way it should be.
If she cannot reach out to you with a simple text and or phone call back, she doesn’t respect you and can’t be honest with you, let alone be honest with herself. Not your fault whatsoever. Just bad character and manners on her part, as a normal and rational person doesn’t leave anybody just hanging like that. Whether she’s a friend or just an acquaintance, it’s not that difficult to politely communicate to someone that they are not interested in having any kind of contact with you.
Whatever the case may be, in regards of the communication of ones feelings. Don’t dwell on it for too long and eventually move on, knowing that you put in 100% effort by trying to be authentic with her about who you feel. Nobody is perfect, none of us are but a simple text message or email is all it really takes if she can’t face you.
I wish you the best and a happy & healthy relationship with someone really special in the future who values and respects you, your timing your feelings.
Take care of yourself. Lots of love, positivity and light your way.
M.
February 18, 2016 at 11:39 pm #96457ShellyParticipantI think you have a right to feel hurt or upset over her becoming distant. If you were as close as you thought you were, I’m sure you would have expected her to be straight with you instead of just going away. However, I hope you know that you deserve someone who feels the same as you, and who would not put you aside for someone else. And I hope you don’t feel inferior to her for this reason. Life goes on, and I am sure you will meet someone who shares the same values as you. She might feel uncomfortable for the reasons that you stated, and that could be her way of dealing with it. Not saying she is right, but people have different ways of dealing with things, and it seems like she went through some trauma in her past.
To answer your question regarding lies and such – I have A LOT of friends who would rather ignore someone or lie to them before actually confronting them with the truth in order to spare their feelings. I find this to have the opposite affect. It will hurt the other person either way, might as well get it over with as soon as you can, in my opinion. And truth is very important to me. There are a lot of reasons why people lie. They might not want to deal with it, scared to hurt feelings, and they can also be uncomfortable with the reaction they think they might receive with the truth.
I will admit that I have one particular ex that I had to lie to about why I was breaking up with him instead of the truth because he was so mentally unstable, I knew the truth would make him go crazy. All of my other friends or ex’s, I have been completely honest with as to why I no longer wanted to be with them, or even if I just had an issue I wanted to squash.
I will also state that putting a lot of your problems on another person’s shoulders such as sharing that you were depressed and such might come off as something “she” needs to fix, and maybe she could be running from that because she is not equipped for that. Not saying that was your intention, but she could have taken it that way. I have opened up to a few friends before and found they became distant with me and it was never my intention, I just wanted to share! People interpret things differently a lot.
In closing, I want to say that there is SO much beauty in life. Friends/relationships come and go, but please remember this is your time on Earth and there are so many things to explore and learn about. I would urge you to see a therapist if possible to discuss your feelings and issues with. I go to a therapist myself and found it to help a lot. Sometimes when I get too involved in a situation in life, I kinda zoom out and try to see myself from space and realize how little of an issue I’m having, and it helps!
Good luck!
February 19, 2016 at 1:16 am #96473dfhParticipantThank you both for your responses and kind words, it definitely has shed a different light on this situation. A little more information: I discussed the distancing thing with her and told her that I felt that she was singling me out based on what she had told me. She hadn’t responded to anything from me, but yet within the same conversation that she stated she was “busy” as the reason for not replying to me, she had also admitted to talking to her mom, her sister, another friend dealing with problems, and seeing an ex and hanging out with him all day. But yet she was too “busy” to respond to me. So I confronted this inconsistency; how is it she was too busy to respond to me, but yet could still communicate either in person or on the phone with several other people. I feel this was her ignoring me, and I still feel as though she was. We then had another discussion about it all and she made the comment that I should find someone else to talk to besides just her, that she wanted to help but the suicide stuff was concerning her and she felt that she couldn’t take losing someone else she cared for or leaving her son’s life either, so she was trying to distance herself in order to protect herself. She said she didn’t want to push me away but she felt that it was best that I find someone else to talk to as well besides just her. Right now, the little town I live in, she is the only person I really talk to and consider a friend. I do know other people, but I just never hang out with them or have befriended them like I have with her. My dad suggested that I do as she asks and find someone else and stop all contact with her, to continue with life and if she tries to contact me, respond but respond as in I was following her wishes and was a good friend by respecting those wishes. What do you think? and What would happen if she did come back in my life? I have a feeling that it would be hard for me to do to not only her, but to her son as well. I don’t think I could let her go like that. . . any suggestions?
February 19, 2016 at 1:59 am #96474AnonymousInactiveDfh,
I believe that is a decision you will have to make on your own, if and when you cross that bridge. It appears that you are hurting really deeply over this. The best advice is the one given by your dad and to also focus on yourself and love yourself in the mean time. If you enjoy reading, look up some self help books on building healthy relationships with people, boundaries, a life of peace and positivity and whatever is feel is relevant to improve your inner self during this time of your life.
I’d suggest seeking professional help for your suicidal thoughts, as that’s a major concern right now and should take priority first and foremost. You can even call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1 (800) 273-8255 http://www.suicidepreventionlifeline.org
I lost a parent almost 5 years ago to suicide because he was over being disabled and having a lot of physical health problems, so his quality of life was grim. This is certainly not the case for you but I just wanted you to know that I have experience on how traumatic it is for loved one on the receiving end of this.
Please take care of yourself. I wish you the best!
Sending you a bunch of positivity, love and light during this sensitive time.
M.
February 19, 2016 at 9:17 am #96487dfhParticipantIn my own opinion since she’s pushing me away anyway, I don’t think it would matter which way I went out of her life. She doesn’t act like it matters whether I’m in her life at this point or not, so what would be the difference if I disappeared or took my life? I don’t feel there would be a difference. I don’t have friends because I’m tired of being ditched like this all the time. This isn’t the first time its happened to me. I told her a couple of weeks ago that she’s the last friend I will have and I truly feel that way. Just like I told my ex girlfriend she would be the last person I date, and six years later, i’ve stayed true to my word. I keep my word once I make up my mind. I do have a good head on my shoulders, I’m honest, i’m trustworthy, and I feel I have integrity. But I also go into the depths of depression frequently, and unfortunately my friends are the ones I go to to help me out of it since I haven’t found a way that works for me to get myself out of it. I feel like i’m a constant burden on anyone that I befriend, and I don’t want to feel like this, but it happens. I won’t take my life like I stated before because deep down inside I have something to live for, I’m not exactly sure what it is, but I think it’s basically saying that I need to give a big F-you to whatever is driving me to that point. I guess my point is, I continue each day in spite of wanting that exit. It’s a strange mentality to have, but so far I haven’t acted on my thoughts all these years. I do feel I need professional help and I did go to a therapist at one time but the financial strain was too much to bear so I stopped because I couldn’t afford the gas or the expense even after insurance.
So, at this point, reaching out on this forum is the only method I have to seeking advice because at this point, I’m up in the air as to what to do.February 19, 2016 at 10:33 am #96492AnonymousGuestDear dfh:
I have lived many years while either wanting to die or finding refuge in thinking there was a way out for me, a way out of the intense hurt, pain, fear I was experiencing. That fantasy as well as other fantasies, daydreaming about love and success in the world, those fantasies gave me the breaks, the comforting, relaxing breaks from the ongoing misery I experienced.
I understand therefore the temptation (ending of suffering… and could be other “benefits”..) and I am glad you distinguish between thought, emotions and actions. I believe this is what your integrity is about: you say what you mean and you mean what you say. You are honest. Your thoughts and actions are ONE (integrity means ONE, being one as in not double faced). I think you have a valid pride in your integrity and honesty and I see lots of hope for you based on your appreciation of your integrity.
I appreciate it too.
As far as the friend you wrote about. From my first readings about her, I didn’t detect a dishonest, manipulative and abusive person. Could be, didn’t see it in your posts so far. And as i read your posts I got a feeling that indeed it must be hard for her to spend time with you because you are so demanding of her.
Demanding? Does it sound strange to you that I used the word (that you are too) demanding of her? This is how I see it: you are very hurt, hurt from past injustices done to you in real life, no doubt. The demanding of her part is that you seem to demand that she straightens up all the past injustice that you experienced, injustice done to you before she came into your life, not her doing.
What do you think so far about what I wrote here?
anita
February 19, 2016 at 10:46 am #96495dfhParticipantI don’t feel as though I’m demanding at all. I feel like my interactions with her are what I would consider normal for being in a friendship. The only difference with that is, she never comes over to see me, I have to go there if I wanted to see her, or go to work (we both work at the same place just different shifts) she’s invited me over a few times but it’s usually me asking and she accepting. It wasn’t until she started talking more and more to her other friend that I became a nuisance (I felt) to her. So I have backed off. I don’t call her, nor send her text messages as much. And so far, she hasn’t done much either. To me, it’s abnormal for her to be doing this towards me. Usually if she’s frustrated at work or with someone else, i’m usually the one she’ll call to vent or to take her mind off it/seek advice. Now, I’m left in the dust it feels like, without an honest explanation as to what happened or why. For her to change all of a sudden is definitely surprising.
What makes you think of my actions being demanding?
I agree you with being hurt, though. I have been, many times, and for a long time I didn’t bother talking to people, until she came up to me and befriend me. It wasn’t me initiating it and at first I was hesitant because of my history with women in general and past failed friendships. But I opened up, and took the chance, and the more I found out about her, the more I was intrigued by her. It’s too bad she’s ended up like the rest of them.
February 19, 2016 at 11:40 am #96511AnonymousGuestDear dfh:
When I wrote that I got a feeling that you are being too demanding of her, I suggested that you may be too demanding, or unfairly demanding of her. This is only a suggestion and if you choose to, it is for you to evaluate, to examine for possible merit. You can also ask her, if you trust her to be honest, if she feels this is true, another option. But like anything I suggest to anyone here on the website, my suggestion is for the person to evaluate. You asked what makes me think (or feel) that your actions are being demanding. I will go now to your original post and see there…
In the original post you wrote: ” I asked her if I was being replaced by her “friend” and she stated no, but I feel that’s a lie.” Well, this is a trick question that you asked her, as a friend, if she is replacing you with the other guy. She may think: no one can be replaced, that replacing is not what she is doing. So she said No, and it may not be a lie. If you presented her with the offer to spend time with you and she chose to spend time with him, then she preferred his company over yours at that particular time. Not a “replacement”- so your definition of her honesty may be overly strict and calling it a “lie” may be carrying the sting of your past hurts, not the reality of an actual lie.
You also stated there that she kicked you to the curb because she preferred another company at a certain time. You accuse her of a LIE and a KICK to the curb, serious offenses fueled by your past hurt and not her actions. It is unpleasant for the object of your affections to spend time with another or others, but seeing it as lying and the violent act of kicking you to the curb may not be realistic and expressed to her, puts an unfair pressure on her: to be very careful with you because anything less than complete devotion will be seeing as an offense against you.
Also when you told her she is your LAST friend, that gives her the message that she has to be very careful, otherwise you close the door on all future friends.
… As I wrote, it is for you to evaluate, if you will, now, later… or never.
What do you think?
anita
February 19, 2016 at 11:53 am #96514dfhParticipantI can see how that could be a possibility based on what i’ve said so far, and I did say them, but not to mean it that way I guess? Being my last friend means that I don’t plan on making anymore after her, whether we remain friends or not, to me I don’t want anymore at all because I don’t want the nonsense that seems like it comes up whenever I do have friends in general and that are in close proximity to where I live.
As for the “kicking to the curb” comment I made, it feels like i’m being passed over for other friends, not just the new guy in her life, others too. I know i’m not that important, I get it, and I don’t want to be either, but one thing to understand is for several months, she would call sometimes multiple times per day about anything and everything, and then suddenly nothing. This instance makes me feel like I have been replaced because it was so frequent and so much and then it just dropped to zero. And then the comment that I needed to find someone else to talk to because she may not be around, that makes me feel like i’m unwanted as a friend and I am nothing to her anymore, suddenly. As if i’m disposable. I don’t feel that that comment was warranted by her. I feel any other person would take it the way I have. Do you agree?
February 19, 2016 at 12:35 pm #96521AnonymousGuestDear dfh:
Regarding her comment that you should find someone else to talk to (in addition to her), to your question about is there any other way to look at it, to take it other than meaning you are nothing to her, yes, i believe there is another way.
Another way may be her saying: I feel too much pressure to be available to you. I can’t be what you need me to be for you. What if you find other people to take the pressure off me, so that we can remain friends?
I understand your hurt, dfh and I believe you were indeed very hurt by people in your life, especially early life. And I happen to be a very pessimistic person myself. I am quick to be suspicious of people still. And probably will continue to be. And yet, i have learned that sometimes I do misinterpret people, that is, I inaccurately project into people’s motivation things that are not there. i do that! And you may too. It is very common.
When you told her she is your last friend, I bet you didn’t intend to put pressure on her and you meant just to share your honest feelings. I already wrote to you that I appreciate your honesty so I do not doubt your honesty.
The funny thing is… I learned something i found funny.. even though I intend one thing when I say and do something, it can come across as something else. And not only that, what I say and do, can realistically and understandably come across as something I did not intend. And it is my job to pay attention to these things. For example: I used to tell someone who cared about me, that I wanted to kill myself. I assure you I sincerely felt that I did. I was so much in pain I didn’t think I was manipulating him, putting pressure on him, being unfair to him. I sincerely felt such intense pain. But I learned through therapy that such a talk placed unfair pressure on him, put him in distress that was unfair to him…and in so doing, I operated against the relationship and against my best interest.
I figured: oh… even though I did not intend to put unfair pressure on him, this is how such behavior is realistically perceived on the other end of my communication. So i stopped it.
This is my response to part of your post above. We can talk here more and more if you’d like, over time. So anything you want to say, tell me… please do.
anita
February 19, 2016 at 12:58 pm #96523dfhParticipantI feel like just letting her go, as much as that would hurt me and her to do, I think it would be the best thing since I wouldn’t be able to hurt her anymore. That’s what I’ve felt like i’ve done, so disappearing would be something to finally end it once and for all between both of us. She’s already moved onto a new friend, there’s no sense in keeping me around and I don’t want to be the last resort friend that sits around waiting for her to call, either. I’m also sick of dealing with this over and over again, even though I have tried different ways to no avail, to find better people to be in my life, it still seems like the same type of people come into my life only to find a way to put one over on me in the end. The same goes for women, I attract the wrong kind and i’m attracted to the ones that don’t feel the same way towards me. It’s a never ending cycle and enough is enough.
I find it similar to the unemployment numbers that are published. They don’t consider those who can’t find work and give up applying as part of that equation to show how many unemployed people there are. In a way, I’m taking myself off the market for relationships and not going to seek anything anymore, making myself invisible. One less nice guy to find in the world.
February 19, 2016 at 1:39 pm #96525AnonymousGuestDear dfh:
The first sentence in your original post here that made me wonder was: “Being who I am, I felt that telling her would be worse than just keeping it to myself.” It made me wonder what you meant by “being who I am”
…and also, why you felt that telling her would be worse than just keeping it to yourself.
In your last post I read loud and clear that you are intending to withdraw further. That you intend to follow through with what you told her, that she (was) your last friend. So you are taking yourself out of the market.
This is a choice that is available for you except that I don’t think we, humans, ever stop needing other people: it is in our genes. For a while, isolating can be rejuvenating, but not for too long.
Here, on this forum, in communicating with me, you have this promise: I will respond to every post you address to me on this thread or any other thread. Every single one. I remember your pride in your own integrity. I always cared about having integrity myself so you putting a high value on integrity and honesty is meaningful to me.
Whenever you want to communicate with me, i am here and will respond: every single time.
anita
February 19, 2016 at 2:20 pm #96531ErisParticipantHi dfh
From reading a lot of posts on this forum I have formed the opinion that anita is a very wise insightful person to talk to. I think she has bought up some very pertinent points that would help you understand this situation
I just wanted to share something I found helped me in my relationships – you are very welcome to discard it as long as you have a think about it first 🙂
The concept is this – that every person you meet is the lead character in their own life and the rest of us our supporting characters in that show. We are also the lead character in our own lives and everyone else is our supporting characters. We can get frustrated when the supporting characters in our life don’t follow our script but thats because they aren’t here just to be in our lives they have their own show to get on with.
When ever you find yourself thinking so and so ‘should’ do this ‘should’ act like this or If they cared then they would do x thing then you are trying to force them to play a role in your show and not seeing them as people with their own story, their own path.
It also helps to try and imagine yourself outside of your leading role and your story and picture what ‘role’you are playing in their life – what kind of supporting character are you being in their story. Is it possible in your story you you are the person struggling through a tough time and being rejected when you ask for help but in your friends story being the character that puts a lot of emotional pressure on them to always be there for them? Are you the character who gives them emotional support and fun times as well as asking for support or are you just always there giving off ‘love me, fix me, be more than you can be or want to be’ type unspoken demands. I don’t know from your posts, only you can answer that question.
I’m not explaining this very well and hopefully I haven’t offended you, apologies if I have written this in a way or expressed myself in a way that does I didn’t mean to, but hopefully you will understand the concept and intent and can see if it helps you to look at the situation in a different way.
Offering support as you negotiate yourself and this sometimes frankly hard life
Eris x
February 19, 2016 at 7:37 pm #96545AnonymousGuest* Thank you Eris: your comment about me made me feel good and is encouraging to me. I greatly appreciate it!
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