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May 8, 2016 at 5:08 am #103901GigiParticipant
Morning!
Yes, this is helpful! I guess in terms of the relationship and job perhaps I would not be diagnosed. I was in a 4 year relationship with my ex even though it was dysfunctional. I have been fired one time and been the trouble maker at a job before but have also kept jobs for several years.
I can relate to wanting to join the normal people but no one really is. I feel like I was born in the wrong time period because it seems people are so open now to act on their feelings! I have been interested in psychology in the past so I can see these imperfections very easily in others. What troubles me is my looking to others for fulfilling my needs but then getting sucked in to their problematic life. I feel like everyone has a problem with whoever I choose to associate with. I guess I do attract these people.
I resent my parents so much for not giving me a healthy emotional start, not talking to me about men and sex, and worsening my feelings of being different. I agree that the diagnosis does not matter at this point and I need to work through these issues. From my other post, my boyfriend is in that stage of seeing his mom perfectly and tells me my parents love me, but just do not know how to show it. Well, I’m almost 30 so if they don’t know now I don’t know when they will have this breakthrough. I am grateful for his help though but I know I need to figure it out on my own or in therapy.Gigi
May 8, 2016 at 7:27 am #103914AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
I don’t think you attract people with problem. I think it is close to impossible to attract people with no significant problems because there are so few people with no significant problems. There are way more people with significant problems who are not in the process of ongoing healing from their problems than there are people engaged in ongoing healing, so statistically, you are likely to meet the first group.
Good point: you looking to others for fulfilling your needs and instead getting sucked into their problematic lives. More to say/ discuss about this. later.
Regarding the “they love you but just don’t know how to show it” saying, if I could have a nickel for every time I heard it. It is a bull*&%$ statement. It is so because imagine this: you have a young child who looks up to you with love and hope, who needs you to help her with homework. You proceed to tell her: “I have no time for you. Go do your homework alone, you are smart enough.” No blatant abuse. My question: in this example, is the mother loving-but-don’t-know-how-to-show-it or is she simply not feeling like helping the girl with her homework? I suggest the latter.
How did your parents worsened your “feelings of being different”?
anita
May 8, 2016 at 7:54 am #103917GigiParticipantAnita,
Regarding the first paragraph, it makes so much sense now but I truly never thought of it this way. I just figured a miniscule percent of people had mental illness and that was it, and that I had the odds in my favor in finding someone who didnt. I could not have been more wrong and that is troubling.
Yes like my most recent close friend, I wanted to be around her 24/7 because I was having fun, then she started to use me for her personal gain. And me wanting to keep the peace, I did what she wanted. This caused me more pain because I would panic if she didn’t call, constantly wonder if she was mad, and this was just a friend.
I’m with you on that example. My mom does know how to show it because she is so sappy and annoying around babies and small children and she has been like this my whole life to people outside our immediate family. it literally would turn my stomach to hear her baby noises, lol. So what the problem with her children was, I don’t know.
My whole life she has tried to make me feel bad for being different. Whenever I had friends over she would lecture me on not being perky and outgoing. She loved to say “kids your age do this or do that.” She would tell me I needed to be more like my friends because they were doing more activities or going to a better school or had a better job. She was always screaming at me to speak. I didn’t have much to say to her because everything was a criticism. Whenever I got upset or had an argument her response was, “what did you do to piss them off?” So everything was automatically my fault? If a boyfriend broke up with me when I was younger it was, “boys like girls with tight bodies” or “boys like girls who let them take the lead.” She never had “the talk” with me either and started listening to my conversations and she cried when she learned I had had sex. Even my dad who wasn’t half as bad as my mom would make comments like, no wonder so and so dumped your ass, or I wish she was my daughter because she’s so talented.This is all that comes to mind at the moment, wow does this get on my nerves even now haha.
Gigi
May 8, 2016 at 8:20 am #103920AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
The reality that it is not a small percentage of people who are mentally ill is troubling, you wrote. But if we ignore reality, we pay a heavy price. Although it is troubling, if you relax into this knowing, you will function better in your personal life and that will promote your own well being.
So your mother messages to you as a child were (I write them as I read your post):
You are not okay.
Being okay is being perky and outgoing. You are not perky and outgoing, therefore you are not okay.
You are less than your peers who are perky and outgoing.
(I wish I had a daughter as worthy as other people’s daughters who are perky and outgoing).
Your peers are superior to you because they do more activities and go to a better school.
You are not okay because you are not speaking.
You deserve to be screamed at (hence I am screaming at you).
If someone is unhappy/ pissed, it is your fault. You are automatically guilty for anyone’s unhappiness.
You are not okay because you don’t have a tight body.
You are not okay because you don’t take the lead.
I’ll stop here.This is quite overwhelming to me. This is heavy duty verbal/ emotional abuse.
There is the root cause I wrote about.
Notice this: your mother, via her abuse of you, caused you to withdraw from activities and people (to not be perky and outgoing), to not lead, to be all the things she disapproved of. It is like she stabbed you and then blamed you for bleeding. It is the chicken and the egg: her abuse of you is the chicken/ the stabbing. The egg/ the bleeding is the results, the natural consequences of the abuse.
Please, let’s keep talking.
anita
May 8, 2016 at 10:34 am #103949GigiParticipantThank you Anita,
Socially I am relaxed now that I left my last job because of having to constantly engage in gossip and feel condemned if I did not participate. The interaction I have had recently is with a few friends of my boyfriend and their girlfriends, and his family, and my sisters. I feel a cognitive dissonance so much because I don’t want to trust anyone anymore even though I know there are good people out there but it seems too overwhelming to meet new people.
I feel serious anxiety to do a lot of things day to day. I feel like I can only do one errand a day, one phone call a day, it is so exhausting for me.
The worst part is that all the things my parents said did not really motivate me at all. I was so motivated in high school, maybe because they were monitoring me closely. But when I left home they still routinely criticized, but I did not feel like giving them what they wanted. I passed my classes, but I did the absolute bare minimum. I want to be good at something so bad but I have no drive anymore, I break down at the smallest mistakes. I feel like I am mediocre at everything and not great. Maybe it is okay with me though, just not okay with them. I am so confused about my future because they would not let me major in what I wanted. I wanted to major in psychology but my mom told me I didn’t have the ability to talk to others. I wanted to then be an event planner but she said that was a joke of a job. This went on for 2 years of school until I just picked what she wanted. The thing is I never made more than 13 dollars an hour even having this degree, and she tried to tell me certain things were a joke.
She even rubbed off on me in that I tend to have these moments of rage and being critical even though I literally have nothing to show for myself, it really feels like her talking.May 8, 2016 at 10:37 am #103950GigiParticipantAlso with the friendships and relationships, I could not change myself for her. I joined a sorority, but it was so forced and fake I could not stand it and dropped out. She was extremely disappointed even though she wanted me to do it. She had seen firsthand that my relationships were abusive, but she would just mock me for not being able to get out of it.
May 8, 2016 at 11:34 am #103956AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
Away from computer, will read your latest posts and reply when I am back.
Take care!
anita
May 8, 2016 at 12:24 pm #103957GigiParticipantThanks Anita!
May 8, 2016 at 2:15 pm #103964AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
Your mother has been clearly abusive, heavy duty abusive and your father, at least at times joined in on her abuse of you, and otherwise, he did not protect you.
You wrote: “The worst part is that all the things my parents said did not really motivate me at all”- abuse can motivate only in extreme circumstances and for a short time only. For example if you ran a long distance and you collapse and feel like you can’t go on, but then someone points a gun at you and threatens to use it if you don’t get up and run, you will get up and run if you are left with an ounce of ability. But that will be only for a while until you collapse again and lose consciousness. Game over.
As a child, when you are abused like you have, it drains you. Even presently you are drained because the abuse keeps playing in your brain. It does not motivate, it drains and destroys.
Your mother injured you and then criticized you and mocked you for showing the consequences of her abuse of you. The interesting thing is that at the very beginning, before you showed consequences, she abused you for some reason. She criticized you for something deeper than the later consequences.
This is not a mother that loves you and doesn’t know how to show her love. She was likely, at times she may have been loving-like (almost all, if not all abusive parents are sometimes loving-like), but she was not loving. A parent who repeatedly hurts an innocent, dependent, trusting, loving child is not loving. And she hurt you from your beginning and never stopped.
She was/ is not loving to you. It is hate that brings about this behavior on her part. Made her feel better to put you down; relieving her from distress, temporarily, so she kept doing it, again and again.
It is a shame, a great shame. And mind boggling. I am so sorry, Gigi.
anita
May 8, 2016 at 6:21 pm #103970GigiParticipantThand you Anita. I appreciate all your help. I am going to work through it. I really hope I can save my relationship as well. He said he understands me but asks why I don’t sit down and go through my feelings with them. I just don’t think this would work. We finally agreed also that his mom living here would be a very rare scenario but have been disagreeing more on his relationship with her now. He still does a lot for her like cooking, cleaning, and being her punching bag for a lot of her own issues. She basically takes and never gives, is basically how I feel. His sister too, he gives her generous gifts and tries to hang out with her and she is pretty rude and unappreciative. Maybe I am projecting my own issues but it kills me to see this go on as well. I don’t want to lose him and I’m so torn up but his family can also be so triggering.
May 8, 2016 at 7:04 pm #103977AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
Your boyfriend behavior is common: the more inadequate the mother, the MORE the boy and boy-turned-man is attached to his mother. He chases his mother for a bit more, and a tiny bit more of the very little she gave him before.Same with girls and their mothers.
If a child is given the love and attention, he/ she more easily separated and moves on. That’s how it works.
I can understand, as it would be for me, how frustrating it is for you to observe this.
The thing with men who are so attached to their inadequate mothers, they are also attached, most often, to their girlfriend/ wife. So you probably have more power than you think over him (not that you should misuse it, of course, but you can use it for his and your benefit).
Your boyfriend being a “punching bag” for her issues, you mean she is venting to him or is she verbally abusive to him???
anita
May 8, 2016 at 7:35 pm #103989GigiParticipantThis makes so much sense! I knew things were bad before, but he says he has repaired the relationship because it makes him feel good about himself. I told him it must be exhausting to continuously give with nother much given back, but he said we will agree to disagree. We settled on that if it got worse he would pull back, like if she ended up asking for money or something. I do believe he attaches to partners too and has in the past. He was very open to what I had to say even though we disagreed. I know some men who would dump a girl over this. I think we have a strong bond but our backgrounds are so different.
We were able to separate the issue of bringing food and helping around the house, and not enabling the other issue which is the possible abusive relationship she is in with her husband, my boyfriends stepdad. His mom does not verbally abuse my boyfriend, but does a lot of complaining about her husband, the neighbors, money, her job, life in general. It might not be so bad except she shows no interest in anyone else. She is also not a loving mom, just stoic and monotone speech with an occasional outburst at a younger sibling, but nothing to us. I just don’t see how it’s a healthy relationship to put this much pressure on my bf to help her with her problems. I definitely wouldn’t take advantage of him and im glad we can discuss this. However, I would want him to agree with me more if it got worse. Hopefully things will smooth over with us.Gigi
May 8, 2016 at 8:01 pm #103990AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
I do hope this relationship works out and it can work out. Your boyfriend said he repaired his relationship with his mother and yet the relationship is what you described. I guess it was worse before and what you are witnessing now is an improvement. He needs this relationship with his mother, as it is now, to feel better about himself.
here is an idea: make a list for yourself of his behaviors with his mother that you aim to accept without making comments to him about those. List them 1, 2, 3… Then look at the list and breathe in every item, slow deep breath. Visualize him doing that behavior and breathe in slowly. When in reality you see him doing a behavior on the list, say nothing to him, and breathe in. I am not kidding, this may help.
Behaviors you cannot accept, that will be another list and something that will require talking to him.
Regarding being assertive with your boyfriend, exercising your power responsibly, please do that. To influence him, best if you talk to him with a calm and confident voice and tone.
Early bed time for me. Take care and it’s been a pleasure communicating with you. Let’s continue- I like it!
anita
May 9, 2016 at 9:15 am #104035GigiParticipantAnita,
Thank you it has been a pleasure for me too! We did talk about it and I already got a little emotional about it but I am now going to make a list about the other things that bother me. I’m trying to stay as calm as I can, I am still in this cycle of rage, depression, and guilt and being over-apologetic. I hope I can get to a better state of mind .
Thanks again!
GigiMay 9, 2016 at 9:38 am #104037AnonymousGuestDear Gigi:
From my personal experience having been in that pattern, when I built a record, and an appreciation for my building a record of not automatically reacting to my distress by saying things to my husband that were harmful to him and to me, but talking to myself instead, I developed a trust in myself that improved my worth in my own mind.
It was tough, still tough at times, but not as tough and way less frequent. it used to be very tough: I felt the distress and it was hard to keep it in, very hard. I don’t know how I made it. I did use skills I learned in therapy but it was tough. I endured. Over time, the distress got weaker.
And over time I learned to trust myself and he learned to trust me, and that makes life so much easier and better.
anita
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