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May 10, 2022 at 3:48 pm #399892
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GuestDear Helcat:
Based on your replies to two of the three dormant 2015 threads that I revived today, I think that there is a misunderstanding: it looks like you read the original post of each one of these two threads and responded to them as if they were written today. These original posts were posted more than six and a half years ago, not today.
When you wrote in your reply today, “things can get easier to bear. And one day you may even find yourself going through your day without thinking about those experiences”, you are talking to the anita of many years ago.Ā You are welcome to post on my old threads, but please read the recent, current post in each old thread. Otherwise, reading your replies makes me feel uncomfortable, it feels like taking a walk in the twilight zone. Thank you.
anita
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May 10, 2022 at 4:12 pm #399895Anonymous
InactiveI have only read one of the threads in full. I have responded to your current posts. You frequently reference themes from earlier in the threads. Ā I do not assume that you need to hear these words specifically, I was sharing my thoughts and experiences. This is a public forum, many people may read them. If someone can find any comfort or use in my thoughts, great. I apologise, it was not my intent to make you feel uncomfortable. If you prefer, I could not reply to these threads you resurrected.
Perhaps it is important to consider why you feel uncomfortable?
āYouā can be used in general or plural. The last reply on this thread wasnāt addressed to you personally.
I simply felt that the thread contained a lot of voices that believed itās impossible to heal from trauma. I believe the opposite, so I thought it important to share that perspective since it wasnāt present.
May 10, 2022 at 4:25 pm #399897Anonymous
Inactive*wasnāt abused because of who I am
May 10, 2022 at 8:49 pm #399902Anonymous
GuestDear Helcat:
“If you prefer, I could not reply to these threads you resurrected“- yes, I prefer that you don’t. I read only a little from your recent posts addressed to me and will not read the rest. I do not wish to hurt your feelings, I really don’t, but I don’t want to communicate with you anymore. I will not post to you following the submission of this post, whether you address me or not (please don’t). Goodbye Helcat and I wish you well!
anita
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May 11, 2022 at 2:55 am #399905Anonymous
InactiveI respect your decision. Please feel free to resume contact if you ever change your mind.
May 17, 2022 at 11:55 am #400454Anonymous
InactiveFor people who may wish to view the disagreement.
May 18, 2022 at 5:02 pm #400635Anonymous
InactiveHi, Reader:
I found this topic very interesting. I wanted to create a reply. Thank you Anita for resurrecting this thread!
Anita mentioned:āwe need to accept that we were victims when we were victimized as children, to thoroughly understand that we were innocent, blameless, and that the much older/ adult victimizer was the guilty party. We have to accept that we were truly powerlessness at the time, that there was nothing we could have done to prevent what was done to us.ā
I saw this and a mix of emotions ran through me. Throughout my whole life I was called āvictimā and it was a negative thing. āOh look lea is having a pity party againā etc. I fought against and still kind of do fight against the label. I was bullied throughout school, physically and emotionally. All of that pain I felt was always minimized by the teachers and adults in my life. āItās normal kids squabble all the timeā but looking back Iām certain that what I experienced was not a āsquabbleā.
I will say with honesty that acknowledging what I experienced as bullying or abuse is difficult for me. Because I know many people have had much worse experiences than I have. If you feel this way I want you as the reader to remember: āyou can drown in one foot of water and in ten feet of water. It doesnāt make the pain/consequences any less.ā your pain is valid, and things still hurt regardless of what caused the hurt.
I agree with Anita. I think that accepting that you were innocent when you were victimized Ā is important to heal. But I also think it easier said then done. Just as with many things in healing, accepting such ideas, (especially when the opposite of what you want to believe has been drilled into you since you were a kid) can be really difficult. Healing in general is so hard. They say itās much easier to break a cup than fix it. Just to clarify, Iām not suggesting youāre broken or anyone is broken, Iām using this quote as a metaphor for ā pain is easily caused but healing that pain is much harderā healing from trauma/pain is a journey, one that I believe lasts a lifetime.
to conclude and remind you, I believe in you. Iām so proud of how far youāve come in your healing. Iām so proud. What you, dear reader have experienced is valid. What youāre feeling is valid. You are enough as you are. You are whole right now as you read this. I wish you love on your healing journey,
Lea
May 18, 2022 at 7:39 pm #400655Anonymous
GuestDear Lea:
You made my evening as well (not only my day, earlier), now that I found out that you posted here as well. I will read and reply in about 12 hours from now.
anita
May 18, 2022 at 7:51 pm #400657Anonymous
InactiveIām glad Anita. Have a wonderful evening.
May 19, 2022 at 10:51 am #400692Anonymous
GuestDear Lea:
“I was bullied throughout school… All that pain I felt was always minimized by the adults and teachers in my life” – as long as the adults close their eyes to your pain, they don’t have to do anything about it, it’s easier that way (easier for the adults, that is).
The biological purpose of pain is to get the individual’s attention to an injury that needs to be attended to, example: your ankle gets injured=> you feel pain in the area of your ankle=> the pain gets your attention => you stop walking on your ankle so to prevent further injury and give your ankle time to heal.
Let’s expand on this: you expect your parents to protect their child (you) because that’s their biological role.
You getĀ bullied in school, suffering a physical &/ or emotional injury=> you feel pain => the pain motivates you to stop further injury and to heal, but you can’t make it happen all by yourself =>Ā you express your pain to your parents, so that they will stop further injury from happening to you, and in so doing, make it possible for you to heal=> they ignore and/ or MINIMIZE your pain=> your biological instinct directs your body to MAXIMIZE the expression of your pain so that your parents will notice and help you=> your parents mock you, saying “Oh look Lea has a pity party again” => You wrongly believe that you are purposefully exaggerating the expression of your pain (“playing a victim”), not realizing it’s a biological instinct that maximized the expression of your pain.
* Teachers take the role of substitute parents in the context of school, so you can insert them as well to the above diagram.
Please take some time to think about it.
anita
May 19, 2022 at 10:56 am #400693Anonymous
InactiveWow Anita. Yeah I will definitely think about it. I never thought about it that way. Thank you.
May 19, 2022 at 11:23 am #400696Anonymous
GuestYou are welcome. It’s a good thing, to think about things in new (and true!) ways.
anita
May 27, 2022 at 7:33 am #401260Anonymous
InactiveGood morning Ā Anita,
Itās Lea, again. Iām back on this thread.
I have been really thinking about this reply for a long time. I think Iām ready to reply.Just as you mentioned that my pain is being ignored by others, any my natural instinct is to amplify it. It sounds absolutely horrible but Iām going to be completely honest here: when I was in 5th and 6th grade there was a girl in my class who had cancer. Everyone doted on her, people brought her cupcakes and sweet treats, They cheered her on, They talked to her checked in with her, they helped her to her seat, people said hi to her in the hallway, the teachers brought her stuff, she was given teddy bears and the whole likes of it. For a little while I thought that maybe if I had cancer people would finally love me and have sympathy for me. I remember wishing I was sick with something. Looking back I realize that I was wishing for more pain and hurt (that maximization) so that maybe finally someone would understand and help me.
Another example is, one time a long long long time ago I purposely cut my finger. Nothing major, but enough to have my parents worried about me. I wanted them to be concerned about my pain I wanted sympathy, I wanted to be cared for in the way that a hurt individual would. In everyoneās minds- except for yours here Anita and a few other members- my bullying isnāt considered trauma or pain. Itās considered normal.
I have also begun to notice that I still express pain or look to express pain so that other may understand or sympathize with me. Which is exactly what a āvictimā does. This is part of the very reason I chase people away- because Iām often too open about myself and experiences- some examples of this are: recently I slipped in the mud but instead of changing I decided to get my pants covered in mud on the fronts and put some mud on my face so that when I went back to my parents theyād want to ātake care of meā, another example is when I went to camp way
back, I remember complaining about how horribly I was treated at school. Even though I was kinda āover itā I still cried and was upset about the whole situation so that others would sympathize with me and/or take care of me. For the first time- they did. But eventually everyone was tired of me and annoyed with me and stopped talking to me- with good reason.
In conclusion Iād like to thank you again Anita for all of the replies, kindness and information youāve given me. I now, I was wondering how do I stop the response, how do I get rid of this seeking. Because if I know anything about myself itās that the sympathy and the āloveā will never be enough for me and Iāll keep seeking this kind of support for stupid little mistakes all my life hoping to make up for the complete lack of support I received when I was bullied. I remember my parents saying: āwhen the boys tease you it means they like you think of it as a complimentā I hated that phrase. How do I overcome this learned behavior.
Anyway. Thanks again Anita, I appreciate it.
thank you,lea signing off
May 27, 2022 at 9:22 am #401265Anonymous
GuestDear Lea:
I am very impressed with you, Lea, your courage is evident in this post to which I am replying. It is the courage to look into yourself, into your motivations and behaviors, whatever they may be, and to explore them, for the purpose of a better mental health and a better life experience.
“I purposefully cut my finger… I wanted sympathy…
“I slipped in the mud, but instead of changing, I decided to get my pants covered in mud on the fronts and put some mud on my face so that when I went back to my parents they’d want to ‘take care of me’…Ā
“I remember I complained about how horribly I was treated in school. Even though I was kinda ‘over it’, I still cried… so that others would sympathize with me and/or take care of me” –
These behaviors are the direct result of the LACK of empathy and care in your life as a child.
“If I know anything about myself, it’s that the sympathy and the ‘love’ will never be enough for me and I’ll keep seeking this kind of support… all my life hoping to make up for the complete lack of support I received when I was bullied” –
The huge LACK of love and support when you were a child created a huge THIRST for love and support. This huge thirst is driving the behaviors I quoted above.
“In everyone’s mind- except for yours here Anita and a few other members- my bullying isn’t considered trauma or pain. It’s considered normal” – “everyone” includes your parents who knew about the bullying and accepted it as normal. In having done so, your parents have been your co-bullies.
“I remember my parents saying: ‘when the boys tease you, it means they like you, think of it as a compliment” – when the parents defend their daughter’s bullies, it means they are their daughter’s co-bullies. Think of it as a bad situation.
“How do I overcome this learned behavior“? –
– First, this learned behavior is keeping potential friends and potential friendly co-workers and associatges away from you. It turns people off to you and it keeps you alone and lonely, as you suggested yourself: “I chase people away… eventually, everyone was tired of me and annoyed with me and stopped talking with me- with good reason“.
To overcome this learned behavior, unlearn it: every time you notice (and you need to notice) that you are about to do something like any of the examples you listed, for the purpose of gaining sympathy, or you already started doing it- take a mental pause and stop yourself. The more you practice this Notice-Pause-Stop strategy, the easier it will become for you to do this.
How to quench your huge thirst for empathy, love and support?Ā After you no longer try to quench it in ways that leave you as thirsty as always (keeping you alone and lonely), you will find different ways of quenching your thirst, ways that will leave you hydrated (having healthy enough casual and deeper friendships, as well as a romantic relationship). But it will take time, work and patience.
anita
May 27, 2022 at 12:34 pm #401347Anonymous
InactiveAnita, wow.
I screen captured this whole post to save for later- Wow. I will definitely continue to watch myself and my behavior.I have tried to stop myself before and I have successfully succeeded a few times. Iāve talked myself through how what Iām doing wonāt help and such. Itās really hard- if Iām being honest. I have this little voice in my head thatās like- but ātemporary fix!! Who cares about long term- long term means that I have to work for for a long time to get the same thing!!ā as Ā I mentioned I have overcome the urge a few times- but itās like an addiction.
see someone walking down the street? I have to go walk by with my dog, maybe Iāll be noticed maybe theyāll want to pet my Ā dog etc. and in my head itās worse. The other day I thought: āIf I died I wonder if anyone would miss me? Would (insert name here) care? Would someone feel bad that they left me? Would anyone wish they did stuff different etc.ā
the two worst things I ever did was: one, I told everyone in grade five I was going to make an attempt on my life- because I was so angry and upset that no one was listening to me when I was being bullied, I told the teachers and they didnāt care- until I said that.
2- I stabbed myself with a pencil in the hand when I was in 5th grade. After the first incident. It was horrible. I bled everywhere. Ā The graphite broke off and I still have a big piece in my hand- itās under the skin but very visible.
I now an old enough where I haven’t Ā harmed myself for āattentionā since I was at least in high school. But I have definitely gone out of my way to get attention. Itās an addictive act that Iām slowly working on. But it feels like Iām working on 100 things- it seems like I have endless issues that affect me daily. Including my focus- I havenāt been able to work in school since last Friday- when I wrote a post about my hyper focus session. I could write a ten page list of all my issues and what I need to work on- itās a bit discouraging.
have a great day Anita.sincerely, Lea
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