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October 4, 2018 at 3:22 am #228951AnonymousInactive
Hi guys,
I don’t really have any friends and I really need to speak about what’s going on because I am so overwhelmed.
I have just given my notice into my workplace because my depression is so bad that I can’t perform at work. Usually in the past with other employers, they have been supportive and understanding of my mental health issues, but my current employer is not understanding or supportive and I feel like over time it’s made it worse. I don’t think I’ll be fit to work for a long time and I don’t see how I will recover since I no longer will be able to afford my therapist.
I am afraid I’ll lose my house and my cat, I feel like I’m losing everything I have, and I am seriously preparing to live on the streets. I don’t understand how my life has come to this, when at one point I thought I had everything I could ever wish for. My mental health has deteriorated so much that I don’t know if I will ever recover. Suicide is a real option for me now. The nhs have not provided me with long term support and without that and lack of family and friends, I have become so isolated that I can feel my thoughts turning exponentially distorted. I feel like I am quicksand and there is nothing I can do, nobody to talk to and nobody to relate to. The only place I feel at home is in this forum. Thanks for listening to my thoughts and I hope it didn’t depress you.
Best wishes,
afrin
October 4, 2018 at 9:00 am #228987AnonymousGuestDear Afrin:
I will combine the information from your posts in your three threads July-October this year, so to tell your story best I can. Following that I will give you my input.
You were born, a middle child, into a strict Muslim family in London, your parents having immigrated to London a few years before you were born. In school you were ambitious, studied hard, got best grades, but you were also “an outcast, bullied for being a nerd etc.”
After graduating university, you worked for “a huge corporate company with a comfortable salary for 6 years”. You were still living with your family at 22. At about that age, you rejected Islam, became an atheist, moved out and got your own flat, “started to go out, partying, drinking, living life, meeting people”, and you had “a healthy relationship of almost two years”, at least in August you did.
Having left your family, at 22 or so, “to live alone was forbidden, and doing so made me an outcast of the family and the entire community. I lost all my friends and my parents disowned me. They said I was the child of Satan, that I was a whore, I brought shame to the family and that I am the cause of all the pain and suffering they are going through. My mum threatens to kill herself all the time unless I come back home and live a quiet Muslim girl life”.
“Nevertheless”, you wrote, “I have never felt freer, I feel happy, confident with my choices and I am proud of standing up for my own beliefs”.
Recently you reached out to your younger sister and “got a lecture back.. saying she can’t respect me for what I have put my family through… I think we are strangers to each other now, and they all blame me… I am sad and angry that my parents did this to my innocent younger sister”.
After about six years of work at the big corporation, dissatisfied, you returned to academia as a researcher, but felt dissatisfied there as well. “I have no passion to work hard for my career… I am not ambitious anymore”, you wrote July. You wished you didn’t work at all but having to pay bills, you wish you had an easy job just so to pay the bills.
Most recently, it might have been this very day, after about six months at the new job, you gave your notice in your workplace because “my depression is so bad that I can’t perform at work.
“I don’t think I’ll be fit to work for a long time and I don’t see how I will recover since I no longer will be able to afford my therapist. I am afraid I’ll lose my house and my cat… I am seriously preparing to live on the streets. I don’t understand how my life has come to this…My mental health has deteriorated so much that I don’t know if I will ever recover. Suicide is a real option for me now”.
“I have become so isolated that I can feel my thoughts turning exponentially distorted. I feel like I am quicksand and there is nothing I can do, nobody to talk to and nobody to relate to”.
And now my input: you wrote in your previous thread that your parents indoctrinated your sister, “I am sad and angry that my parents did this to my innocent younger sister”. Your parents indoctrinated you too, the innocent younger you.
When you moved out of your childhood home, courageously as you did, feeling free, happy, confident and proud (“I have never felt freer.. happy, confident.. proud of standing up for my own beliefs”), a big part of your brain still contained that indoctrination. The freedom you felt was interrupted by the great distress involved in acting so opposite to the indoctrination you received and the resulting shunning. That led to depression, lack of ambition, lack of motivation, leaving and losing employment.
You were amazingly courageous, had the ambition to not only get best grades in school, get a high paying job, but to move out, get your own flat, endure being an outcast to your family and community, but then the indoctrination kicked in.
It is extremely difficult to be shunned by one’s parents, siblings, community. What your mother told you directly and through your sister was too heavy for you to endure.
I suppose your mother’s/family’s/community’s plan has worked, shunning you as they did, your mother threatening suicide, all of it aimed at making your new life too difficult. You wrote earlier that it is your mother’s way or the highway. Well, if you are homeless, it will literally be the highway.
I would like to read about your thoughts/ feelings at this point. We can continue to communicate, if you’d like.
anita
October 4, 2018 at 11:52 am #229049AnonymousInactiveHi Anita,
As always you’ve hit the nail on the head. I know that sometimes we repeat our childhood behaviours again and again throughout adulthood but I didn’t make that connection. I guess feeling happy makes me feel guilty… and I’m not sure how to overcome that.
And now I don’t really care about anything because I know that I can never be truly happy, or that I don’t deserve it. I self- sabotage a lot.
I feel controlled and trapped at work, and that may be a reflection of how I felt as a child – controlled and trapped. I don’t know how to have a healthy relationship with employment and dealing with answering to a boss. I hate answering to anybody now and I find it so demeaning and patronising in having to do as I’m told.
Lately it’s been too much and I can’t seem to find joy in anything I use to enjoy. I don’t see the point in doing or trying anything.
I feel like I used to be such a strong person but now I am so sensitive and weak. Maybe ever since I have been in a relationship I feel more vulnerable to external factors.
Thanks for your response Anita. Always appreciated. You are a beautiful soul.
October 4, 2018 at 12:02 pm #229061AnonymousGuestDear Afrin:
You are welcome and thank you for your kind words!
You wrote, “I used to be such a strong person”, but you are still strong. Strong people do feel “so sensitive and weak” sometimes. What you did takes lots of strength, to move out, to live your own life, thing is it is very, very difficult to do what you did and it cannot be done without lots and lots of help and support, I believe.
I will be away from the computer for about sixteen hours. I would like to re-read your recent post and any other you may add when I return. Please take good care of yourself, I would very much like it if you were very gentle and kind to yourself at this difficult time.
anita
October 5, 2018 at 4:56 am #229151AnonymousGuestDear Afrin:
You wrote: “feeling happy makes me feel guilty… I don’t deserve it”-
No wonder, after all your parents told you that “I am the cause of all the pain and suffering they are going through“. And then, your younger sister told you that “she can’t respect me for what I have put my family through“.
You believe what you were told, that indeed you have been the cause of “pain and suffering”, but it is not true, it is you who is experiencing pain and suffering, not your parents.
I will explain: I am sure they are and have been inconvenienced and unhappy about your decision to leave the home and community, but they didn’t feel close to you before you left, they didn’t feel empathy and respect for you before you left. Therefore when you left, they didn’t lose intimacy or someone whom they respected.
“I feel controlled and trapped at work… controlled and trapped… I find it so demeaning and patronizing in having to do as I am told”- I agree, this was your experience as a child. Your parents demeaned you and patronized you, it was your mother’s way or the highway- this is not intimacy, nor was it respect.
Their expressions of misery, that which they expressed to you and to your younger sister (which she repeated to you) is dishonestly manipulative. Their aim is to break you so that you return defeated to the family and community as well as to make sure your younger sister doesn’t follow your footsteps.
Their aim is also to express what the community expects them to express. If they didn’t express all that emotion, what would people say about them…that they are okay with a young woman leaving the family and community?
When you finally left, it was after a couple of decades of frustrated efforts to make them love you and respect you. Maybe you forgot how much you loved and respected them early in life, but this very love and respect is still there. Therefore it is you who suffers. Not them.
anita
October 5, 2018 at 6:17 am #229169AnonymousInactiveAnita,
Thank you for your insightful message. It really made me think! Wow, I never considered that my parents were only just inconvenienced, whereas I am suffering with the guilt. This perspective makes me feel less guilty since I know that they are being manipulative and selfish.
I think I need to stop beating myself up about what I have done. I am so used to blaming myself for everything, I always focus on my past mistakes and I never forgive myself. Do you have any idea on how to forgive myself, forgive my parents and move on? I just want to start living my life and being happy, for myself and for my boyfriend. He is being supportive but putting up with a depressed person is not easy and I want to get better for both of us.
Thank you.
October 5, 2018 at 6:57 am #229177AnonymousGuestDear Afrin:
As an atheist you no longer believe in god, correct? I don’t. Since you no longer believe in god, better be okay with you not being god, that is, you are human, have made mistakes and will make mistakes. You weren’t always good to others and sometimes you will again be impatient with others. A god maybe would always feel love for others, you on the other hand will have other feelings that are not as.. pretty, such as anger. Unlike god, you are not all knowing, you don’t know everything. Keep learning, be curious. What do you think about this point I am making?
Also, I don’t know what you mean by forgiving your parents, what does it mean to you?
anita
October 5, 2018 at 7:01 am #229179AnonymousInactiveThanks,
I realise I still have a lot to learn and I am trying to make peace with my past mistakes.
Forgiving my parents means being able to forgive them for not loving me, for treating me poorly and for trying to manipulate me. I still hold so much resentment towards them for not giving me the love I deserved.
Is there any way to justify their behaviour, maybe then it would make me understand their motivations which will allow me to close this chapter of my life.
October 5, 2018 at 7:37 am #229183AnonymousGuestDear Afrin:
No, there is no way to justify their behavior. If you get to a point that you justify their behavior, you are in greater trouble than before. And so will the people in your life, your boyfriend, future children.
There are ways to understand their behavior, that is different from justifying. Think of the most evil person in history, be it Hitler, be it someone else. We can understand why they behaved the way they did, but justify it?
No, there is no way to justify unloving, abusive behavior, especially toward children, one own children. There is a purpose for your anger at your parents, it tells you to not put yourself in their mercy, to not go back there. So to protect yourself. There is no requirement that you no longer feel angry at them. If it happens that one day you no longer feel angry, fine. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t.
I stopped feeling angry at my mother when I finally trusted myself that I will not have contact with her anymore. I made that promise to myself, that no matter what, I will never have any contact with her. At that point, the anger had no purpose so it is now gone.
anita
October 5, 2018 at 7:40 am #229189AnonymousGuestAnd you are very welcome.
October 5, 2018 at 7:41 am #229191AnonymousInactiveAnita,
That is very interesting what you said about your mother. I am sorry to hear that you no longer have a relationship with her. But closing the door is something I have tried to do many tines, but deep down I keep thinking that she’s going to come back into my life somehow. I constantly fear the threat. Maybe because once she turned up to my house unannounced and starting to verbally abuse me.
I live only 20 minutes away and so many the close proximity is making me harder to move away mentally as well. What do you think? Is moving away maybe going to help me mentally to close that door?
Your thoughts are always appreciated <3
afrin
October 5, 2018 at 8:19 am #229203AnonymousGuestDear Afrin:
Moving far away can help if you stay away, not visiting her and if you don’t have her visit you.
It is very, very difficult for a daughter to leave her mother. The attachment from early childhood is too intense to make it easy. We keep hoping, keep wanting. The price for this hope, when you deal with a mother/ parent that is unloving and abusive, is a heavy price. And what do you get for that heavy price? More hope, more waiting… waiting forever more. And while you wait, you deteriorate.
So, from very personal experience, I say better save yourself. As difficult as it is, and it is, move away from the people who disrespected you for so long, no matter who they are.
anita
October 7, 2018 at 1:09 am #229477giaParticipantHi Afrin,
I may not be able to give you any sage advice, but I thought I’d respond if only to let you know that you are not alone — at the very least you have Anita and me to empathise with you, and I’m sure there are more who read this thread who haven’t posted in response for any reason. Mostly, I feel you about your cat. I love mine dearly and in the past, when I hit a low and my thoughts whirled at the bottom of the pit, I am worried about him, losing him, most.
I am sending love to you, wherever in the U.K. (your mention of NHS) you are, right now.
Blessings and peace.
October 7, 2018 at 1:49 am #229483AnonymousInactiveGia,
Thank you for such a warm message. It’s so nice to hear I am not alone. I feel really connected to this forum and I feel really safe here to talk about my problems so thank you so much for taking the time to read and reply.
I love my cat too, I really hope I don’t ever lose her, but I am prepared to rehome her to someone I know if things get bad, only temporarily if possible. I hope you never have to lose your cat either – my little kitty brings me so much peace and comfort.
Anita,
I apologise for not responding sooner, I wanted to take a few days to think things over and get back to you after some reflection.
You were definitely on the money about keeping the door open with my mother. I had written off the relationship but very deep down I kept hoping… there were other emotions like guilt and shame attached to it so I realise I’m still not over it.
Another thing I have noticed is that I am highly emotional lately… not sure why but I even asked my boyfriend for some space which I don’t do often enough. I read a few things about building resilience and I feel I’ve lost a lot of resilience while being in a relationship with him. Allowing myself to be vulnerable has opened up too many emotions from my past and things I can’t deal with. What are your thoughts?
Best wishes,
Afrin
October 7, 2018 at 9:06 am #229537AnonymousGuestDear Afrin:
I think that your first priority must be your well-being. Don’t underestimate the challenge you have taken on, to separate from your mother and the rest of your family. It takes a whole lot to do so, to survive and to thrive/ succeed in a life on your own, a life of your own. If your boyfriend helps you, be with him, if he doesn’t, don’t. Engage with him in the ways and to the extent that is helpful to you and not beyond.
You have to protect and preserve yourself first,
anita
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