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July 11, 2017 at 12:12 pm #157514KatieParticipant
Hi All,
Looking for some perspectives to help me out here. I’ve always struggled with relationship anxiety…feeling like I need constant reassurance and communication otherwise my mind starts wandering and I find it really hard to bring it back to reality. I’ve been able to control it some as I’ve gotten older…or should I say I’ve learned to sit with it and wait it out, but sometimes this feels a lot like I’m just hiding it and it will eventually all spill out. I’ve finally started trying to get to the bottom of it…reading a book about relationship insecurity, *considering* seeing a counselor, looking back on where I might have picked up this feeling that I’m not good enough and any partner I have will eventually lose interest (or if they don’t, I will).
Anyway, I recently started dating someone I met online. We’ve been seeing each other for about a month and a half. I like him a lot but in the beginning I think he was more into me than I him. Things moved physically faster than they should have, but it doesn’t seem to have created any issues (why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free was a lesson I grew up with). In my past relationships, it seems that when I try to be open with my feelings (expressing love) and try to figure out what the relationship is, it’s the kiss of death. So I’ve created this front of not really caring or being too invested, just trying to be happy go lucky and carefree. In the moment, it’s real…I do like to have fun and enjoy life and time with this person. But when we are apart, I feel obsessive. And it doesn’t help that it seems like I’m usually the one to initiate contact or hanging out. Granted, I don’t think I give him much chance to initiate because I’m so quick to do so but I doubt my ability to handle my anxiety and the bad feelings that will come up *IF* he doesn’t ever pick up the phone. This is what I fear…that if I stop contacting, he won’t reach out to me either. It sucks. It’s hard to focus on work and anything else really, just constantly worrying and looking at my phone and ugh. I should add that when I initiate he’s very receptive, quick to text back and a conversation ensues. He just doesn’t reach out much. Logically I know this is probably just his style…I get that some people don’t need connection as much as others. He’s also told me he doesn’t really like texting.
I guess I’m just looking for a conversation to help me get some perspective, also wondering if anyone else deals with this and HOW and really curious what’s normal in the beginning stages of relationships – like is it really ok to go a whole day without any communication? This kinda blows my mind. Googling this junk is usually less than helpful. I also know that he and I probably should have a conversation at some point soon because I don’t even know if we’re seeing other people (I know I’m not and he’s not either but I don’t know if that’s out of intent or just circumstance) and that doesn’t help. I’ve had bad experiences with “relationship talks” so I guess I don’t really trust myself in this area.
Also, I AM TOO OLD FOR THIS CRAP!
Thank you to all you thoughtful souls for reading and sharing any insight đ
July 11, 2017 at 2:09 pm #157534WendyParticipantOh my goodness Katie! Â I literally am at work talking to the ladies I work with going through this exact same thing. Â I just came to sit down and read some Tiny Buddha to hopefully take my mind off things and get it to stop going in a million different directions. Â Does he like me? Has he lost interest? Â Did I do or say something wrong? Â I want some attention! ha! It seems when feelings start getting involved and we risk getting hurt is when this stuff starts to come up.
I’m not good not knowing when the next time I’m going to see him is. Â I feel like if I know when I’m going to see him again, then I feel better not communicating everyday (he is also not much of a texter). Â It feels like a long time has past since we’ve last talked, but really, we saw eachother on the weekend and then didn’t talk much yesterday. Â He has let me know that he has a busy week this week, so I just have to trust (and believe him) when he says that he likes me! And just stay calm. Â Because I tend to sabotage relationships by starting to put my happiness in their hands. Â I don’t think it’s so much about having ‘the talk’ and then this is what ruins it, I think we tend to put too much pressure on it.
I see a therapist myself as I have attachment and bonding issues as well as some abandon issues that I’m working through. Â I tell myself that I’m worth it and I’m good enough and that I deserve love!
It is nice to know that I’m not the only one that does this however, and you re not alone Katie! Â If he’s worth it, he will put the effort in and you will feel the love. Â Just don’t let the stories you make up in your head become reality, because it’s probably is not even close to the truth. Â Trust your instincts and your gut and know that everything will be ok!
Also, what books have you read and did they help at all? Â Always looking for something to make me understand things about myself!
July 11, 2017 at 3:06 pm #157548ElianaParticipantHi Katie,
I too, have the same difficulty. If it is okay, can you tell me a little about your early childhood and what it was like? If you don’t feel comfortable, talking about it, it is okay. I know many of my insecurity came from severe trauma, abandonment and neglect by an Alcoholic mother. I also was very emotionally and verbally abused by her. My father, although he loved me very much, had to travel alot for business, so he was always “leaving” me too. I’m my early years, I remember crying, hanging on to his leg begging him not to leave me (and my siblings) and he would say “now Eliana, Annabelle (Nanny he employed that loved us) will play with you and take you to kindergarten and take good care of you!” little did he know my mother would come home drunk on one of her drinking binges and fire Annabelle leaving my siblings and I alone in a large home or in a flea bag model room. We were taken away from her by the courts, but the damage had been done.
SI have never been able to maintain a healthy, long term relationship. I always do something to sabatoge it. Luckily, I have done aalit of work in long term intense inpatient and outpatient therapy as I also have several mental health diagnosis. I was in REMT for awhile for severe childhood trauma, then I was in long term Psychotherapy, and now I get help from a social worker with DBT and CBT therapy. I am finally getting healthier, choosing healthier relationships, starting to live myself and am in 2 12 step anonymous support programs, one is Co-dependents Anonymous, the others is emotions Anonymous. I have also read several books that I bought on Amazon dot com on sabatoging relationships and how to end the cycle, rejection and abandonment issues. Feel free to e-mail me and I can give you the name of the books. But in my case alot of my issues and neediness came from early childhood unresolved issues. Some people had a great childhood but just have insecurity, many people do in the beginning of relationships because they feel unsure and unsafe. They don’t know where they stand. I would have a talk with him to see what he is wanting such as a relationship, and where he sees you in his future. Keep us posted.
July 11, 2017 at 8:29 pm #157586ConnieParticipantHello Katie
I was like you. When I started dating my current ex (I still don’t want to  acknowledge the break-up), I was constantly thinking If I made myself too available or questioned myself whether he was really into me, how much he loved me, or stuff like that.
We eventually broke apart because of my anxiety. Because no matter how much he tried or how many times he reassured me everything’s good, I just felt it was never enough. I had to constantly break up with him and push him away for him to come back and tell me he truly wanted to be with me.
I regret it everyday for being so immature but I have also learned that this kind of anxiety was too overwhelming that got out of my control.
I have started practicing mindfulness and it helps me realize that thoughts are only thoughts, fears are a form of thoughts, too. Oftentimes they are not how things are or will develop to be. The more you fear the more you push things away. Please keep in mind that you have to find your own happiness, meaning that you are happy with or without him. Find your happiness and peace within, then the person you spend life with is just another one to share things with. Do not get caught in your thought. Live in the moment, with or without his presence. Thats the only way this relationship can keep going. I know you can’t help but feel anxious. Try to find your own happiness! Thats what I would do if I were you! I lost the man I really love and I am speaking from my experience. Hope this helps.
July 12, 2017 at 5:37 am #157594KatieParticipantThanks for your feedback ladies!! It’s nice to know I’m not alone as I think this is what panics me most…feeling alone and like I will *always* be alone. Even though that’s never been the case and it’s not currently the case…it’s just crazy how we can make these things up.
Wendy – I hear you!! Definitely on the same page about feeling better when we have plans. Dunno why this is. I think ultimately my fear is that he’s just going to completely blank me at any point because he realizes he doesn’t actually like me but if we have plans together then hey, he has to follow through with that right? Typing it out it seems so silly. For the most part I know I’m a cool and desirable person with a lot to offer and love to share but like you said – when feelings get involved, it just becomes scary and so hard for me not to worry about the bottom falling out. I was going to hold off and not text him first yesterday just because I needed to see that he would in fact reach out to me after some time. But then I decided I should just be authentic (sometimes hard to know what that even is) and since I was wondering how a project he’s working on was going, just decided to ask about it. Within 2 mins he called and we talked for about an hour, and he even wanted to know if I wanted company. It’s stuff like this that shows me we just have different communication needs and I can’t put these expectations on him that he’s not even aware of. Still makes me wonder if he was eager to talk to me why he didn’t reach out first?!
The book I’m reading is “Insecure in Love” by Leslie Becker-Phelps. I’m going through it really slowly and I do think it will be helpful! I’ve never really been able to trace where all this insecurity and fear of abandonment came from because for the most part I think I had a happy childhood. No one instance of major trauma anyway. But this book is helping me see that there probably are some pretty clear factors from my past coming in to play. I think it will be a good one to go back to from time to time too. It’s got lots of exercises that get you thinking, and helps you identify your attachment style.
Eliana – thank you for sharing your story! It’s great you’re becoming healthier and good on you for taking steps to get there!! My parents divorced when I was a baby and I stayed mostly with my mom who I love to death and have always been close to but she has bipolar disorder and for as long as I can remember will swing (on a monthly or so basis) from being SUPER involved and energetic but also extremely sensitive and easily offended to being cold, withdrawn and removed. As much as I love her, I know this has had a big impact on my trust of people. I always feel like there’s something bubbling underneath the surface. Add to this the fact that when I was 6 she remarried a jealous and controlling man with three kids of his own (I’m an only child) who would not let me and my mom have any time by ourselves or ever do anything together, including visit my grandparents. She stayed married to him for TEN YEARS. Also my step-siblings were super attractive and popular and I always felt less than. ALWAYS. So I’m not sure if this is what’s contributing to my insecurity, or if it is like you said just the newness of the relationship and the fact that I really do not know where I stand.
Connie – I understand this frustrating need to push away just so he can prove that he wants to be with you. I used to do this with an ex of mine all the time. I’m glad I have finally let this behavior go, but I know how easy it is to beat yourself up over it. It sounds like you’re doing really well trying to deal with it. Agreed that mindfulness is probably key! Sometimes it is just so overwhelming and hard to stay the course. And I definitely agree that I have to find my own happiness. I think this is a major problem. Once I enter a relationship, that seems to become my main focus in my life! I’ve never been one to have a lot of hobbies or things going on, so when I start dating someone it’s so easy to just get wrapped up in them. But as I’ve gotten older and more responsibilities, I can see that there are SO many things I can get into that will take my focus from obsessing on a guy to just be able to enjoy time with him. I think you’re spot on.
Thanks again, hope to hear back from you guys! đ
July 12, 2017 at 7:21 am #157604AnonymousGuestDear Katie:
I enjoyed reading your posts, I like the way you express yourself.
You wrote: “I think I had a happy childhood. No one instance of major trauma anyway”
And then you elaborated: your mother has a bipolar disorder and would swing on a monthly basis or so, for as long as you remember, from being “SUPER involved and energetic” with you to being  “easily offended to being cold, withdrawn and removed”-
That by itself is trauma enough to explain your “fear is that heâs just going to completely blank me at any point”, that is, you are afraid that he will do what your mother did (turn “cold, withdrawn and removed).
Don’t you think?
anita
July 12, 2017 at 8:24 am #157628KatieParticipantAnita,
Thank you for your kind words! That means a lot to me. đ
Tears immediately welled in my eyes as I read your observation. Yea, it’s pretty clear when you look at it from the outside. Only in the last couple months have I been able to look at the role my mom’s issues have played in what I’m dealing with today. It’s hard to separate the love (and gratitude!) I have for her from all of this stuff. I’ve tried to bring it up with her but probably not in the most direct ways, which always results in her becoming very defensive and it never gets anywhere. Not that a conversation with her about it would change anything. Or would it? What do you do when you recognize why you are the way you are? What’s the next step?
At the beginning of this year after lots of pleading from me she finally sought help and was put on meds again and started seeing a counselor (she hadn’t taken meds for probably 15 yrs because of side effects). She seems to be a lot more evened out because of this, but it’s still hard for me to trust her reactions. We are very close but I have definitely started limiting the details I share with her about my life. Some of this has to do with advice that you have given me before, Anita. That she is my primary role model and so her opinions are huge to me and shape me more than I realize even today at 33. I don’t need her negativity clouding my already confused and anxious thoughts.
July 12, 2017 at 9:11 am #157632AnonymousGuestDear Katie:
You are welcome!
You wrote: “Not that a conversation with her about it would change anything. Or would it? What do you do when you recognize why you are the way you are? Whatâs the next step?”
I don’t think a conversation with her will change anything except keep you stuck. You already had enough of a conversation and she reacted by being defensive. More conversation is likely to bring more of the same reaction.
As to your second question, when you recognize where your anxiety is coming from (your mother’s closeness/withdrawal pattern of behaviors with you during your formative years), what you do next is not to look for the solution in your mother and in a relationship with her. This is where the problem comes from, and where the defensiveness is still the reaction.
You look for a solution not in your relationship with your mother (I can’t stress this enough), but in your relationships with other people, be it a psychotherapist (may be necessary), or any other person in your life, including the guy you are seeing. The next step is to weaken the connection formed in your brain between relationships and fear of abandonment/ withdrawal.
You can’t will this connection to be weaker. It takes courage and support from another (therapist perhaps) to open yourself to a different relationship experience than the one that formed you, a relationship where you can trust the other person to be reasonably consistent. Once you experience this, the connection I mentioned will weaken.
You mentioned that when you talked about your feelings with other men, when you discussed the status of a relationship, that caused the ending of those. If you share what you discussed with other men, paraphrase your wordings to them, it may help me see if there is a problem with your input and how to better communicate so to create that different experience that you need (with the right man, one who is indeed consistent).
anita
July 12, 2017 at 11:04 am #157688KatieParticipantAnita,
Yes that makes a lot of sense that the solution won’t be found in a conversation with her! This is in line with the book I’ve been reading too…that it will take a relationship (even with a therapist as you said) that’s consistently supportive to strengthen those connections in my brain.
It’s hard to recall these conversations with other men to be honest. It’s more of a feeling that I got that things went downhill after opening up and becoming vulnerable. I remember telling one guy for the first time that I loved him and his response was to kind of laugh and tell me that I didn’t really. And before I told him I felt pretty sure that he felt the same and would’ve reciprocated. But after I told him that, I understandably felt like I had given something up and probably became more insecure because of that. I have just always wanted to know where a relationship is going (lock it down!) rather than just enjoy the ride and see where it leads. I’ve been told by more than one partner that I can’t “force it” and need to just let it develop naturally. I never really understood this until the last few months and having a (ex)partner who I felt like was trying to do this forcing and hammering out the future. Â I also had a short relationship that ended after I expressed some insecurity and jealousy over his past relationships. Me wanting him to compare his feelings for exes with his feelings for me. This is behavior that I don’t do anymore as I’ve grown enough to realize it does nothing but feed my anxiety. Everyone is allowed their past loves, I know this.
I wonder if the relationships ended not because of the reaction of the guy to the “talk” but my own reaction. Like I didn’t get the reassurance I wanted so it sent me on a downward spiral of doubt and neediness and desperation. Even now I think I’m scared to talk to the man I’m currently seeing because I don’t know what his answers will be and I’m nervous how I will respond to this. If I don’t know, I can just assume that we’re on the same page, you know? But I feel like the more I do this in relationships, the further I get away from feeling a genuine connection with someone even though that’s what I want so badly!
Really appreciating your feedback Anita!
July 14, 2017 at 5:11 am #158016KatieParticipantReposting this as I’m not sure it’s showing up :/
Anita,
Yes that makes a lot of sense that the solution wonât be found in a conversation with her! This is in line with the book Iâve been reading tooâŚthat it will take a relationship (even with a therapist as you said) thatâs consistently supportive to strengthen those connections in my brain.
Itâs hard to recall these conversations with other men to be honest. Itâs more of a feeling that I got that things went downhill after opening up and becoming vulnerable. I remember telling one guy for the first time that I loved him and his response was to kind of laugh and tell me that I didnât really. And before I told him I felt pretty sure that he felt the same and wouldâve reciprocated. But after I told him that, I understandably felt like I had given something up and probably became more insecure because of that. I have just always wanted to know where a relationship is going (lock it down!) rather than just enjoy the ride and see where it leads. Iâve been told by more than one partner that I canât âforce itâ and need to just let it develop naturally. I never really understood this until the last few months and having a (ex)partner who I felt like was trying to do this forcing and hammering out the future. Â I also had a short relationship that ended after I expressed some insecurity and jealousy over his past relationships. Me wanting him to compare his feelings for exes with his feelings for me. This is behavior that I donât do anymore as Iâve grown enough to realize it does nothing but feed my anxiety. Everyone is allowed their past loves, I know this.
I wonder if the relationships ended not because of the reaction of the guy to the âtalkâ but my own reaction. Like I didnât get the reassurance I wanted so it sent me on a downward spiral of doubt and neediness and desperation. Even now I think Iâm scared to talk to the man Iâm currently seeing because I donât know what his answers will be and Iâm nervous how I will respond to this. If I donât know, I can just assume that weâre on the same page, you know? But I feel like the more I do this in relationships, the further I get away from feeling a genuine connection with someone even though thatâs what I want so badly!
Really appreciating your feedback Anita!
July 14, 2017 at 7:22 am #158048AnonymousGuestDear Katie:
You are welcome. (I didn’t notice your reply dated 7/12 until this morning, maybe it didn’t show before, like you suggested).
In your original post you wrote: “In my past relationships, it seems that when I try to be open with my feelings (expressing love) and try to figure out what the relationship is, itâs the kiss of death.”
In your last post you wrote: “Itâs more of a feeling that I got that things went downhill after opening up and becoming vulnerable”- that is probably the feeling of the child that you were reaching out to your mother who did not respond to you and kept her distance during her “cold, withdrawn and removed” times.
You wrote: “I remember telling one guy for the first time that I loved him and his response was to kind of laugh and tell me that I didnât really”- what did his reaction mean to you (what did you think he meant by what he said) at the time and what does it mean now?
anita
July 14, 2017 at 8:52 am #158074coconutParticipantHi Katie.
I somehow relate to what you wrote about having relationship anxiety. I have it too and when I’m in a relationship that is my main focus cause just like you I don’t have many hobbies and I’m not a sociable person who enjoys going out often and keep in touch with people, except for a partner with whom I’d spend every minute with.
You asked if it’s okay to go a day without talking when you’re in a relationship. I think it depends on the person. I wouldn’t like it. For me it’s not normal and I would not want to be with someone like that (just my opinion). I think you need to communicate your thoughts more in a kind, nice manner.
You said you two met online… So I guess you saw how he is like from the beginning, right? And then it didn’t bother you. If someone reaaally likes you and is invested in you, you’ll just know.
It’s a good thing you have learnt from your past mistakes (for example not to ask again a man to compare the feelings for you with the feelings for someone else in the past – that sounds like something I did sometime ago, and just like you finally understood it makes no sense to do that).July 14, 2017 at 12:51 pm #158146KatieParticipantThanks for weighing in, Coconut. I’m learning this is probably just his communication style and the fact that he’s quick to respond when I text him makes me feel good about it. This is one of the problems I have though – I rarely “just know”. My default is to assume the worst and interpret things in the most negative light, to validate my bad self image and low feelings of worth. Trying and making progress to change this, but it’s definitely a slow process with a lot of steps backward along the way.
Anita, thanks for responding. Figured it probably just wasn’t showing up. Even though I could see it, when looking at the page of all the threads, it continued to say you were the last one to post. Weird! Anyway, about the real issue lol and to answer your question…when I expressed my love and was met with “no you don’t”, I heard “don’t develop such strong feelings for me because that isn’t what this is and I don’t feel the same”. That was only about three years ago and I’m not sure I feel much differently about it now, although being removed from it I can see that maybe it was his own defenses at play.
July 14, 2017 at 1:04 pm #158148AnonymousGuestDear Katie:
When he told you that you didn’t really (love him), after you told him that you did, my first interpretation to it was that he was saying something like: you wouldn’t love me if you knew me. I am not worthy of your love, of anyone’s love. How we interpret things has to do with what we already believe. And so, your interpretation might have been wrong. Maybe you didn’t even consider that it could be wrong and so you didn’t ask him what he meant by it.
Our pre-existing core beliefs which are attached to anxiety influence a lot of our reasoning. Soon I will be away from the computer for hours. Would like to continue to communicate later.
anita
July 14, 2017 at 1:28 pm #158152KatieParticipantAnita,
This is what I’m coming to see – that my interpretations are just that – interpretations! But they’re so deeply rooted and it’s exactly like you said – I didn’t even think to question it because I didn’t consider it could be wrong.
Today I’m not feeling a lot of anxiety and am just trying to be mindful and present and not worry and draw on the positive experiences I’ve had lately…the proof that the guy I’m dating is interested in me rather than seeing everything as evidence that he’s not. I wish I could always feel calm and confident and positive and not descend into spirals of anxiety and negativity. I guess that is bound to happen but the trick is to gather tools to be able to deal with it when it does?
I’m grateful for this conversation and would like to talk more too. I don’t do much internet-ing on the weekends but am looking forward to hearing more from you.
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