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June 27, 2017 at 9:30 am #155260ChauParticipant
Hi Eliana
Thanks for reading and replying, I didn’t expect anyone would go back to posts dated back so long ago to understand my story, just for that I would like to say thank you =)
I did think of meeting, as you probably have seen it from time to time my struggle. Yet I don’t want anything to disturb my peace of mind, or to be more precise, I think there is a very high risk that I would be very disturbed after seeing her. and I don’t want that, I want to let the feelings die down a bit before I really meet her, if i ever would.
I guess you have mentioned a key point too, that you said I could tell her that I have moved on. Which from the fact that I still dreamed of her when my real life was in distress, might actually mean that I haven’t really moved on. and that’s where my fear comes in.
Dear Anita
I am sorry to know that you have hurt your feet! I also had a small injury since I jogged a bit too much some time ago, and that three weeks was a torture indeed.
I wish you a speedy recovery.
You are very right, I want to lose that hope. and the only way to do it is to withdraw from her. and I don’t want any drama, since she has made it clear i probably should do something to make my boundary clear too. and you are spot on with my longing for love too. and since this hope for love with this friend is lost, I began to imagine previous scenarios where they were closest to my idea of loving relationship, which is my ex.
I guess as time passes by i feel that it is very hard to find someone whom i truly love, and love me in return too. It’s been a year since i broke up, and i haven’t been single for so long for a long time. I guess that’s where the insecurity for uncertainty kicks in
Thanks for all the reply
Take very good care.
Chau
June 27, 2017 at 10:46 am #155292PearceHawkParticipantChau I hope that by the time you read this, you are embracing the peace, love, and happiness that you deserve. When we look into, what I call the rear view mirror of out life, a metaphor I use for memories, we see events that remind us of so many things. Some of those things seem to be more clear than others. Some more sad than happy, some more happy than sad. But as you take your eyes off that rear view mirror and look forward again, we see a new road where we have chosen to go. Sometimes we make a u-turn, or reflect on what is in our rear view mirror, and try to revisit a place we once were, only to learn that hurtful moments served you well in that they enabled you to make what I call a correction in direction. It seems clear to me that you are well on the way down a road you have chosen to go. There is infinite wisdom in what Anita and Eliana have offered. Embrace not only what Anita and Eliana has to offer, but embrace the strength and wisdom that you obviously have inside you. It will always serve you well.
Pearce Hawk
June 27, 2017 at 11:06 am #155294AnonymousGuestDear Chau:
Thanks for your healing wishes. Icing my foot as I type this.
Reads to me that ending the casual communication with this younger woman is a good idea because the benefit of this communication to you is small and the price to pay, hoping and getting disappointed is too great of a price for the casual communication that is taking place.
You worked very hard for your peace of mind, better protect it.
I wish it wasn’t so difficult to love-and-be-loved-in-return, to find the person for such mutual love. I will be very excited for you when it does happen!
anita
June 27, 2017 at 7:34 pm #155348ChauParticipantDear Pearce Hawk
Thanks for such a beautiful metaphor. I think, and hope that i am on the right path. But I guess there are ups and downs along the way. relationship and emotions have always been my archille’s heels, it can drag me to a space where i find it hard to stay sane.
But I guess i always try to stop and think a bit before i act in general, it’s hard for someone who is very sentimental and full of feelings, yet i think i am practicing it.
Dear Anita
Icing helps, and rest more! you can also stay with us and talk with us =)
Indeed it is just a very causal communication. we just talked about each other’s life in general, ocassionally something about our value etc. i think it’s mainly because we talk consistently for half a year, it’s just like habit, that i feel comfortable with. and talking to this person, for some reason even on the first time that we met, i felt very very at ease, which is quite unusual. I guess she was not someone on my to-date list, so much younger and i don’t often get attracted to people with her outlook, she did help me break some boundaries, in terms of who to look for in a romantic relationship.
But in any case, I can keep on fantasizing, you are right too, my peace of mind is so hard to attain that I need to safeguard.
she can be a good friend, just not now, not when I would fantasize a romantic relationship could happen while she stated that she treated me as good friend.
I look forward to having such mutual love too, hope i can tell you at some point of my life
Take very good care
Chau
June 28, 2017 at 8:06 am #155388AnonymousGuestDear Chau:
I can hardly wait to walk again the way I did before! I can hardly imagine it but I sure am looking forward to it!
Yes, protect your peace of mind. For as long as you keep hoping, or repeatedly hoping while in communication with her, that means you will be disappointed most likely, because she stated her disinterest in a romantic relationship. So, like you wrote, not now.
Hoping that soon enough you will be in a mutual love relationship… (and that I will be walking by then!)
Thank you for the good wishes.
anita
September 18, 2017 at 1:35 am #169068ChauParticipantHi Anita and all
Can’t believe it’s almost 3 months since I last dropped a message!
I hope by now Anita’s walking fast and healthy like before
I have always wanted to come back to leave a message, just want to say hi or just simply to update my life to you a bit
I have been actively engaged in my marathon training, been quite nervous and unsure if I can finish it by the time limit, but well, it’s in 2 week’s time so i guess whatever that I can do, I have done it already. (having said that i still feel nervous thinking of the race)
and as for the new person, I think we are still friends and I still enjoy talking to her, but minus the feelings or hope for romantic relationship, which i feel proud to have adjusted well =)
Yesterday I had a nightmare dreaming of my ex and my ex-fd, both of them seemed to be very friendly and kind towards me, but it is exactly how they look from the outside that scared the hell out of me. I remember having this feeling of trying to be normal and nice to them yet when i see their seemingly friendly face, I can’t help but asked ‘what do you two want from me?” I guess if they acted evil i would have thought otherwise. And I cried in the dream and realized i woke up crying heavily too.
I think I am so traumatized by the incongruity between the outlook and the inside of a person, thinking if i might have trust issue later on.
But once I get up, and back to my conscious self, it feels like nothing have happened, just an episode that quickly subsidized.
Anyways, I hope all is well with everyone, will share again if I can successfully complete my very first marathon.
All the best
Chau
September 18, 2017 at 4:39 am #169080AnonymousGuestDear Chau:
I thought about you only a few days ago, wondering how you were. Yes, I am walking again as before, thank you. I walked again way faster than I thought. (When I experience a problem and feel fear, I am inclined to think it will last forever).
Regarding the incongruence between how a person looks on the outside and who she is on the inside, specifically your ex girlfriend and her girlfriend who “seemed to be very friendly and kind towards (you)”, in your dream and in reality, and their “seemingly friendly face” leading you to ask, in your mind: “what do you two want from me?” –
Good question. I am offering an answer, a possibility of an answer: we betrayed you and hurt you but let’s pretend that didn’t happen. We are nice and friendly people, no harm done, and so, if you have a problem with us, the problem is you!
Directly answering your question: we want you to not see us as a problem (and if you have a problem with us, we want you to see you as the problem).
This is why it is better not to have contact with them, there is no reason for you to expose yourself to what I believe is likely to be dishonest manipulation.
I hope you handle your fears regarding the finishing the marathon within the time limit well. Prepare not only by running but by what you say to yourself, your thoughts, as these carry our fears around and around on the motorways of our brain. Fear takes our energy away, exhausting us and it causes us to react in dysfunctional ways, rushing. For example, it may stimulate you to run faster than you should, instead of pacing yourself, so pay attention.
Looking forward to your next post!
anita
October 2, 2017 at 1:12 am #171219ChauParticipanthi anita!
coming back to tell that i have finished the marathon yesterday!
the course was a bit more difficult than i had thought, but i just kept telling myself to run forward regardless. in fact, i felt quite alright the entire way, all the preparation, both mental and physical ones, allowed me to keep going despite some ups and downs. its hard to imagine that i am leas to here a year ago!
regarding your explanation, it may be right, but i think these exist only in my mind and i cant really figure whether this is true or not, may be its me having this idea that they want to treat if as if no harm done( which after you said it, i do have this impression that this is what they are trying to make me think)
anyways, i am so happy that i have done it, and am thinkng to keep this running habit, it calms my mind
hope things are good on your side. all the best
chau
October 2, 2017 at 7:05 am #171241AnonymousGuestDear Chai:
Congratulations for completing the marathon yesterday, for bringing to fruition your mental and physical preparations.
Regarding you not being sure about your ex girlfriend and ex friend being manipulative or not, there are ways to find out, if you were so inclined, but if you are sure that you feel uncomfortable around them and there is no benefit to you in interacting with them, why interact; why be in contact…
You spelled out the way to succeed: “to keep going despite some ups and downs”. Most people most of the time stop when facing those “downs”. The key to success is to keep going when facing those downs, when facing doubts and distress.
I am fine, thank you for your good wishes. Looking forward, as always, to your next post!
anita
December 29, 2017 at 7:43 am #184323ChauParticipantHi Anita and all
I just wanted to come back and wish you all a lovely Christmas and a wonderful new year 🙂
I am undergoing the training for my second marathon. It is true, marathon is indeed quite addictive.
Family dispute happened recently , and i realized i have reacted very differently to the previous me. Previously I might just accept whatever was presented to me, even though that might has crossed my boundary, i would ask myself to be empathetic and understanding and just accept things as how it is. But this time, i refused and i stood strong.
Regarding whether i was right or wrong in that particular subject matter I am not 100% sure, I guess afterall it’s just a matter of perspective. But i think, I refuse to let that negativity to get inside me, which i believe is something that caused my depressed mood while i broke up with my ex, and turned outward instead.
I find it quite hard to draw that line on when you should let go of what you think is right, so that you don’t hurt someone whom you care. Vs when to stand firm and protect your own well being, particularly when what you want conflict with what the other person wants.
reviewing on what i have done in 2017, i feel that this is a great year of growth. Last year i was shattered by the betrayal. This year I have backpack and travelled around for months, which is definitely in my wish list. and that i have done the marathon which is really out of my expectation. I was told by one runner before that it would be too hard for me to run marathon, yet i have done it and is going another one very soon.
Hopefully the coming year we all have enough difficult and blissful time to make it a fruitful year of growth.
Take very good care and have a lovely holdiay
Chau
December 29, 2017 at 8:52 am #184335AnonymousGuestDear Chau:
Good to read from you again and Happy New Year to you too!
I wish you well on your next marathon and glad you had a good 2017, and two more days of it. Good to read you stood strong in your last family dispute situation, taking a stand.
Regarding “when you should let go of what you think is right, so that you don’t hurt someone whom you care vs. when to stand firm and protect your own well being, particularly when what you want conflict with what the other person wants”-
My input: protecting your own well being is your first responsibility, not at the expense of another just as another person’s well being should not be at your expense. Win-Win resolutions of conflicts is the way to go.
I thought about you recently and am glad that you came back to your thread. Looking forward to read from you again, read about your marathon and your New Page of life 2018.
anita
December 30, 2017 at 7:02 am #184423ChauParticipantDear Anita
Thanks so much for your prompt reply, as always. Thanks for remembering me too 🙂
I think that makes perfect sense, to attain a win win situation.But I think it takes a lot of wisdom, on both sides, to attain that.Probably still needs some time to figure it out.
I had an experience recently that I want to share, about my ex. The other day i used an essential oil that i brought from Croatia, where i had my very last trip with my ex and that’s where i found out she was cheating on me. i was aware that this particular one was from Croatia but I didn’t realize how it could trigger my memory. I think i had been quite consciously avoiding to use it, but somehow it has been in my drawer long enough for me to forget that i was avoiding it.
I was doing yoga at home with it and suddenly an image popped up which is a scene on the day, i was picking up a flower for my ex. That’s exactly the day when i bought the essential oil and basically that’s the day when everything unfolded. Eventually i went through a mental journey on the things that we did on that day, and the days onwards.
i couldn’t recall much about that day previously. I think it’s too traumatic that i had mentally blocked everything out. And when this particular aroma elicited the images of that day, i couldn’t help but cried for quite a while. and as i was crying i thought ‘finally i could remember things that happened on that day’.
Heart felt quite heavy initially, but eventually it subsided.
I was still able to see my ex and my ex-friend together in social media once in a while, we still have common friends. Sometime i can’t really figure out what i feel when i saw her/ them together, but i know the emotions that i have is a lot milder, which i can easily put aside and focus back on the day.
and i guess from time to time i feel i am unsure of whether i could find someone i could really love and get along? that adds to the feeling of a lot of ‘what if’. What if i didnt’ have those tantrums, would i be with her and would she be the one. always been someone who is quite insure, sounds silly but from time to time, i do think ‘may be being with someone can solve the insecurity’
of course there is another voice and for now I am still on my own(actually quite happily) , just that there are ups and downs and things like these happen
But overall, i can’t complain, came back from the lowest afterall.
I hope life treats you well and that everything is fine on your side too
And yes, just another few days to go and it’s another brand new year
Cheers
Chau
December 30, 2017 at 8:13 am #184425AnonymousGuestDear Chau:
You are welcome and of course, I do remember you and a lot of our communication so far. I am well, thank you.
Regarding “maybe being with someone can solve the insecurity”- often the two people coming together have to go through healing, as partners, as a team of two, so to get to that security. There definitely is security, or safety in a loving, functional relationship. But got to get there… You are quite happy as you are, you wrote. There is an advantage in not going through that healing with another, because there are struggles in the process: hurts and anger from past that are triggered and will need to be resolved. None of that to deal with when you are single.
Just like the essential oil triggered memories in you, and emotions leading you to crying, so it is that in a relationship, lots is being triggered and much of it is distressing, when one or two of the partners carry unresolved hurt and anger from the past.
And so, Win-Win comes to helping each other heal, helping each other get to that security inherent in a loving relationship, one of trust and predictability, as in trusting it will still be there when you wake up the next day, and it will be as solid as it was before.
anita
April 18, 2018 at 6:47 am #202973ChauParticipantHi Anita and all
Can’t believe i haven’t written anything in 3 months time! hope things are going on well!
I completed my second marathon as planned, and have gone further to go some trail running. I realized these really helped me a lot. While previously i relied more on travelling and seeing new things to give me comfort. Exercising helps me to be in a general state of calmness for most of the time. It’s summer time and i am cutting down to rest my feet as well,
How have you been?
Regarding relationship(well this forum is on relationship), I do have someone who i am interested in, but for some reason i don’t make a very big effort in approaching. and am taking things very lightly. I think one of the things that i have definitely changed after the betrayal, was to take things slower. It’s a lot more obvious at this point, when everything already sunk in.
I don’t know if it’s good or not, well i guess there is no good or not in relationship as long as I am not in a toxic relationship. It’s all about what suits you
While i think the relationship with my parents are a lot more of my highlight now. They still treat me as a little child who needs to call if i am out late(i guess every parents treat their grown up daughters children anyways). While i want to break free of them, I do know they need me and it’s doing everything out of care. Tension still exists, but well, I guess it happens everywhere and I am still seeing the bright side of it.
Anyways, just a short update this time
Hope everything is well
Chau
April 18, 2018 at 7:28 am #202983AnonymousGuestDear Chau:
It is always good to read from you.
Congratulations for completing your second marathon, running. It makes me think of one thing to run away from, and that is “a toxic relationship” which is not a part of your life.
Your relationship with your parents, well, that may be something to run away from as well, jog maybe, slowly move away from, creating more distance. Although it may not be toxic to you, it may be keeping you stuck somehow.
“I want to break free of them”, you wrote. Clearly, it means you are held hostage in some way, not free.
anita
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