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October 4, 2019 at 6:53 pm #316157AnonymousGuest
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October 5, 2019 at 5:44 am #316199cali sisterParticipantGood morning Anita!
I hope you had some good red wine. It is getting chillier here which makes me happy – makes me feel romantic! (One day .. Iāll meet a man. I hope!!)
I had interesting dreams which is expected. But none of the chest pounding in pain types. Which is a good feeling.
Im glad I did not go see my sister last night. I ended up watching a movie that made me laugh a lot. And I cuddled with my pup. We are supposed to celebrate her birthday all weekend. Iām not sure what she wants to do. deep breaths going into the weekend. She tends to blame agony on me, even if Iām literally sitting in silence. So letās see. She has not done that in a while. So Iām hoping it wonāt happen now.
Next. Letās discuss my world. Iāll copy and paste some journal entries I have written. I think itāll be interesting for both of us. So I wrote this on sept 1. Sept 3 I came back home and my therapist and I decided no contact will have to be my next step. And oct 3. I did it. So here is what I wrote on Sept 1 when I went to my parents home-
āThis is the place of my depression. A place so beautiful. But so horrid. Filled with dark memories. A feeling of sadness and anger and confusion. A place with so much potential. But only decay and death.Ā
This place: no motivation. Doom. Constant fatigue. Thirst. The urge to escape. Wanting time to pass. Wanting it to go, wanting it to end. Restless leg syndrome. A feeling of falseness. A fake life. A life of checklists. So many things. For no reason. So many different types of foods. So much decor. So many enjoyable activities. All for what. Literally nothing. Itās a delusion. I close my eyes. And I hear the same birds as I did when I was young. Feel the same air. The same sounds. I see and feel the young me. I see the memories. Of school. Of life. I truly feel all of it. But now things are so different. It is all different. It is all transformed. And this is the new reality of it all. This is the present.Ā
Itās like an evil joke. Itās a delusional world. They plant things in you – so you have trouble doing the thing they fear most. Itās rather confusing to have this relationship with them. Itās toxic. Half in half not.
It makes sense I had no ability to explore happiness or interests. To do enjoyable things. Hobbies. Thoughts. None of my own is (or was rather) allowed.Ā
It is stagnant here. Nothing changes. Itās the same for years and years. Thatās why when I come back- it is so clear to see how I was when I lived here. Not them. Not the people around them. Not my cousin. Itās crazy how itās like an alternate universe. That stays the same while youāre not here. And when you come back, you can almost see yourself also return. I think I have frustration that when I return to New York, I put on another face that doesnāt have to do with this universe. Itās not fake but it is … in a way. I donāt like how I have to act like this part isnāt part of my life. I want it to all come together. Not to be two separate entities. Or is it ok that itās separated. I guess what Iām trying to say is Iām sick of going back and then acting like this whole experience here never happened. I donāt purposely hide it. Iām not faking it. Itās just how I survive. Experience this horrible thing. Then go back to work and smile and Iām all bubbly again. Itās exhausting. Again, itās weird bc Iām not faking it. I imagine it right now. Iāll be wearing nice clothes. Perhaps heels. Itāll be Tuesday. And Iāll be composed. Iāll be fine. Iāll be smiley. Iāll do all my work. But inside I will be burning. Anxious. But my outside is so deceiving. No more of this. It is exhausting. Living two lives.Ā
I guess it is my human nature that I feel sorry for them? How it is sad that humans live this way when there is so much beautiful in the world. I know I canāt change it. I donāt intend to either. But it is a very sad thing. To watch my mother. Be the way that she is. And my father. Be the way that he is.ā
And now here I am. Oct 5.
October 5, 2019 at 7:23 am #316203AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
“I’m sick of going back and then acting like this whole experience here never happened”- this is what disassociation is about: To go back to/ visit your childhood home, you have to pretend that what happened there didn’t happen. Because if you kept in awareness what did happen there- you wouldn’t go there.
In other words, take a random person from the streets and implant in him your two decades of painful experience in that home, that person wouldn’t want to go there, to spend any time there.
October 3, 2019 you established No Contact with your parents- a historic day.
September 3, 2019, exactly a month before you “came back home and my therapist and I decided no contact will have to be my next step”. A month later, you made it happen.
Sept 1, while visiting your childhood home, your parents,Ā two days before the decision, you wrote the following (a selection):
“This is the place of my depression. A place so beautiful. But so horrid.. dark memories.. sadness and anger and confusion. A place with so much potential. But only decay and death.. Constant fatigue. Thirst. The urge to escape. Wanting time to pass.. wanting it to end.. A feeling of falseness. A fake life. A life of checklists. So many things. For no reason… So many enjoyable activities… I close my eyes. And I hear the same birds.. Feel the same air. The same sounds. I see and feel the young me… It is stagnant here. Nothing changes. It’s the same for years and years.. it’s like an alternative universe. That stays the same while you’re not here. And when you come back, you can almost see yourself also return.. when I return to New York, I put on another face.. I want it to all come together. Not to be two separate entities… I’m sick of going back and then acting like this whole experience here never happened.. It’s just how I survive. Experience this horrible thing. Then go back to work and smile and I’m all bubbly again. It’s exhausting… It’ll be Tuesday. And I’ll be composed. I’ll be fine.. smiley.. doĀ all my work. But inside I will be burning. Anxious… No more of this.. Living two lives”.
– As a child you had noĀ choice, you had to be there, even if you were away, you had to go back. And so, disassociation was a necessary physiological adjustment that had to be made. Now that you live independently, an adult, employed and living in your own (very expensive, I understand) apartment, you don’t have to go back to your childhood home. It is now a choice.
As long as you spent time in your childhood home, and as long as you communicated with your parents, the disassociation had to be maintained. It didn’t have a chance to be gone, or reversed. Now you have that chance.
Experiencing a disassociated life (“two separate entities.. living two lives”) is distressing and exhausting. This is why you were exhausted as a child (“Constant fatigue”) and why you have been exhausted as an adult.
Your childhood home is “like an alternative universe. That stays the same while you’re not there. And when you come back, you.. return” to that universe. Stay away from that childhood home, stay away from your parents, NC, and you have a chance to no longer re-experience that universe anywhere you are, wherever you go. That alternative universe can become a universe of the past.
Notice- in that alternative universe, for some time, you were very young, full of hopes and dreams, an enjoyable fantasy life, strong motivation for life (before it was sqaushed). As you move on in life, at times you will remember how it felt then and you may miss that childhood home because of that experience of youth. When that happens, remember that this youthful experience, intense hopes and dreams and fantasy and desire.. those you were born with, those were not brought about by your parents- they squashed thoseĀ things.
Again, some of your childhood memories are about the beauty of a child’s mind, that magical experience, and you may be confused, thinking there was something in that home that was magical- no, the magic was in you, an inborn, natural part of every child.
Another point, for the child that you were, hope was with your parents, however horrid they were, your hope for life itself, and a better life, was with them. Therefore you were inclined to see them, at least your father, as better than he was, as someone promising. As you go on, remind yourself of that inclination. Even though your father was not as bad as your mother, he was and is plenty bad on his own right.
Clearly it was a good choice to not socialize last night, and find comfort with your puppy.
That alternative reality you wanted to escape (“The urge to escape.. wanting it to end”)- you made the necessary huge step in that escape only a couple of days ago. There are more steps in the escape, in the ending of that childhood experience- you are on your way!
Let me know if and when you are ready for me to comply the quotes from your previous posts.
-And good Saturday morning. Do you have plans for today (and should you have plans)?
anita
October 5, 2019 at 7:37 am #316205cali sisterParticipantAnita –
Can you elaborate on this – Another point, for the child that you were, hope was with your parents, however horrid they were, your hope for life itself, and a better life, was with them. Therefore you were inclined to see them, at least your father, as better than he was, as someone promising. As you go on, remind yourself of that inclination. Even though your father was not as bad as your mother, he was and is plenty bad on his own right.
Iām not sure I completely understood it.
Iāve been in bed all morning. A bit fearful to go outside. In about two hours, I will head to my sisters place. We will be hanging out all day for her birthday. Not sure of specific plans.
October 5, 2019 at 8:24 am #316211AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
Since I last posted to you I was busy going over quotes of your sharing in previous threads, got them ready for your reading, if and when you want them.
Take the day easy, best you can. Because this is your sister’s birthday weekend, let the day be about her. If you get tired and not feeling up to it, excuse yourself at any one point in the day and go back home or to the movies or wherever you can have alone time.
As I pointed yesterday, my primary concern as I communicate with you, is your well being. So it is not that I am thinking: cali sister is bad and she will hurt cali chica. Not at all. I am thinking: I want cali sister to be okay today, and if she doesn’t share about her struggles with CC on CC’s birthday weekend, it will be better for cali sister!
Regarding what you asked me to elaborate about- I have no doubt that from time to time you will think and feel fondly toward your father and I don’t want those moments of affection to cause you to contact him/ them (your parents, a unit).
So I brought up the reality, that a child has to have some sense of safety or hope for safety, so to not be in a state of unbearable dread. Unbearable as in- impossible to endure. So a child makes believe things- anywhere from daydreaming about a different kind of life to .. daydreaming, in a way, fantasizing about a parent being good. So a child magnifies in her mind any evidence of goodness and sees it as a whole lot.
When you think of your father, I want you to remind yourself about that magnification of childhood as well as put in that bigger picture of who your father was to you, the abuses as well.
Did I explain myself clearly?
anita
October 5, 2019 at 9:29 am #316219cali sisterParticipantYes I understand completely now. Makes sense. And I will continue to remind myself.
Iām in a cab on my way to my sisters! Iām rather excited. And proud for stepping outside! I had to much anxiety to walk the pup around the block so I got a dog walker to walk him. Technology makes things so easy nowadays.
I feel excited. And happy. The weather is just beautiful today. When I stepped out – I felt scared at first. Then saw all the people. And I smiled. It was freeing.
October 5, 2019 at 9:43 am #316225AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
Excellent idea to have a dog walker do the walk today. Good to read your most recent post and I hope to read from you later, how the day goes. I wish you a good Saturday. I will be out and about myself in the early afternoon.
anita
October 5, 2019 at 7:14 pm #316263AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
I am back home. I hope you had a good day and evening. It is soon 10:25 pm your time. I will turn off the computer and hope to read from you in the morning.
Good night, cali sister.
anita
October 6, 2019 at 5:55 am #316293cali sisterParticipantGood morning anita.
Yesterday was great – I think my sister had a good time. The only reason some parts were stressful was because their own relationship issues – which doesn’t have anything to do with me. It of course bothers me because I care about them. But I know they are working on it.
Remember how I told you B and M were really there for me on Oct 3rd and it made me so happy? Let me tell you about something that is bothering me…I am embarassed to type what I am typing by the way because it is trivial and I will sound like a child. But that is why I am typing it – so I can change my thought process and learn the reality behind my thoughts.
So I have a group of close girlfriends here. B, J, and P. The girl M is from work. So BJP and me hang out all the time, its great.
P knows what happened – and she checked in on me Thursday. But hasn’t texted me since. And B obviously was there thursday. B and P hung out yesterday (I was of course invited but I was busy with my sister) – and I feel a little weird that they didn’t text me at all. I mean I feel that if I knew this happened to my friend – I would have sent a text or something. Especially if they are together, they could send a pic and say they hope I’m doing better. B hardly responded to my messages yesterday. Anita, I don’t even know what I’m typing. It all sounds crazy to me as I type it. What is this! Help me out here! I know you will!
October 6, 2019 at 7:07 am #316297AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
I was away for an hour, figuring you are probably sleeping late after celebrating yesterday. But see- my focus these days is you, because of this very new NC- so I think of you, keep the computer on longer, and when I see that you posted, I reply right away. Unfortunately, this kind of attention from one human being toward another is not common. I wish it was- I wish your friends checked on you. I would if I was any one of them.
Commonly people are limited in their ability and/ or willingness to invest in another person.Ā I guess this is why there are so many people who are homeless, way before they became homeless- noĀ one really cared to ask how they were doing, no one checked on them.
I’ll give you an example here on tb- it happens and it is notĀ uncommon that a member will reply to an original poster (one who starts a thread, asking for some kind of help), offering to be a listening ear, even a friend, then the OP says: thank you etc. But the member is gone, no second post.
When you do find a person in your life who notices you and checks with you- you found someone special.
You wrote that this is trivial, as if it shouldn’t bother you- well, it is bothersome because we do naturally expect more support when we get some. We need more, so we hope for more.
Tell me more, your thoughts, your plans for today if any, anything.
anita
October 6, 2019 at 7:31 am #316299cali sisterParticipantI see what you are saying. So then – I guess my question is more so – something else.
So when this happens my immediate thought is – hostility, hatred. To go to the extreme of āthey arenāt good friends. They donāt even care about me.ā It becomes very negative for me. So how do I keep this in perspective. As in whatās the reality of the situation.
Im headed to my sisters place at the moment. In the cab. Her husbands parents are surprising her today and we will go to a broadway show. It should be fun. It will be nice to be around parents who are …. normal. !
October 6, 2019 at 7:38 am #316303AnonymousGuestDear cali sister:
I am so glad you will be around ā¦ normal parents today. Someone else’s parents but still.
Regarding the hostility and hatred for friends who didn’t check on you- there is the understandable disappointment in your friends in this reaction, but added to it is all your childhood hurt and understandable anger at the way you were mistreated for so long.
So the childhood, decades long hurt and anger added to the current disappointing event.
anita
October 6, 2019 at 3:15 pm #316373cali sisterParticipantHi Anita –
i see what you are saying. But I would like to work on not thinking they arenāt good friends because of certain behaviors that I may not understand or do myself
today while I spent the day with my sisters husbands parents – I realized I would never see my father again . Ā I guess it is time to mourn him
October 6, 2019 at 5:03 pm #316381cali sisterParticipantAlso – I would love to see what you have compiled whenever you get the chance
October 7, 2019 at 5:47 am #316447cali sisterParticipantGood morning anita,
There are some other things I would like to discuss with you today. I will outline them so I do not forget –
1. celebration
2. sister is moving.
Will write soon – after we discuss the above!
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