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March 15, 2016 at 11:50 am #99070AnonymousGuest
Dear anxiousangel:
I can tell, this is what I see, that you are very emotional about this topic, and I am not surprised. I asked you how you feel about the … it is called the social caste system, in India, isn’t it? Being born into a social class and being esteemed lifetime for that social class…
Again, this is not only in India. Only more pronounced there, I believe.
I think it makes you feel enraged, very angry. And understandably so.
It is the lack of justice in it, and that is what it is: injustice.
Anxiousangel, please take a break (if you are not already taking it), from this communication so you can calm down. The anger can be overwhelming.
When you are calm enough, come back and we can talk some more. There is a way to accept such injustice with some peace. There are things you can change and things you can’t change. Better accept the latter so you have the energy to change the former.
Please come back to this later and take good care of yourself:
anita
March 15, 2016 at 4:10 pm #99094barberiParticipantHi again,
At first, I am sorry but I could not understant every thing you have tried to pass through. Any way, I would like to say that you feel too excitement about negative things.. events… people…
Stop doing that rightnow and start to fill your time with working.. going out.. practicing s thing… you r strong.. you do not need any one to help u. If you lose appreciation your self, no one will appreciate or accept u.
An entire water of the sea can’t sink a ship unless it gets inside the ship.
Forget your past.. u live right now ,If you thik that what I say is impossible, you will ever never develop your life .
Do not be vulnerable..
Regard to your important test I think you should work so hard firstly, then try once more.
I guess u could pass it .
There is no borders. no limits. no obstacles in life.. they just live in our mind
CheersMarch 16, 2016 at 12:25 am #99129anxiousangelParticipantAnita..
A..I m in tht stage of life whr backround doesnt matter much but once achievements do.. So i hav made my peace wid tht..it was a problem in childhood which shaped my behaviour into the habit of ego projection and info management..and thats the problem.
B.. Because of ths habit..i crave fr appreciation and projext an image of self..which is unblemished..at times i myself start believing tht i m this only… Ths produces misalignment in my goals and yhe required efforts and i miss them.
I miss the goal as my focus always goes to being declared as the worth aspirant pf the goal by ppl..and not the goal itself. I love hearing he has a lot of potential arguement.
C.. I think my goals they are itself determined by my image or ego needs. They invaraibly point to recognition status prestige appreciation socially… So i want to confirm is it qat i really want frm inside.. Is ther a way.
Lastly. I hav taken 3 days out to figure out ths stuff..thts why the desperation and detailed info in the post. Please dont mind.
I m an analyzer .. I like this.
March 16, 2016 at 8:32 am #99139AnonymousGuestDear anxiousangel:
I am having difficulty understanding your post above. Can you re-write your post above with more attention to spelling and sentence construction? Also, some of the language is too … sophisticated (is that the word, I wonder) for me to understand the meaning. For example, you wrote: “They (image and ego) invariably point to recognition status prestige appreciation socially..”- too many variables in this sentence and it is lost on me.
I am very interested in communicating with you more and more and hope you will make it easier for me to understand the above post.
anita
March 16, 2016 at 9:42 am #99151anxiousangelParticipantAnita..
A..I m in that stage of life where backround doesnt matter much but ones achievements do.. So i hav made my peace wid that..it was a problem in childhood which shaped my behaviour into the habit of ego projection and info management..and thats the problem.the habit is the problem.
B.. Because of ths habit..i crave fr appreciation and project an image of self.ehich evryone does to fit in society.but i do it more conciously and project one image tht is unblemished..at times i myself start believing the chatacter…and forget the real issues. Ths produces misalignment in my goals and the required efforts and i miss them.
I miss the goals as my focus always goes to being declared as the worthy aspirant of the goal by ppl..and not the goal itself. I love hearing he has a lot of potential arguement.if tht happens a powerful projection had been achieved.
C.. I think my goals they are itself determined by my image or ego needs. They invaraibly point to recognition,status,prestige and appreciation socially… So i want to confirm is it wat i really want frm inside..or My goals are my needs to furthur my social identity.
Lastly. I hav taken 3 days out to figure out ths stuff..thts why the desperation and detailed info in the post. Please dont mind.
I m an analyzer .. I like this.
I kno its complicated but is my way f life .
March 16, 2016 at 9:53 am #99154AnonymousGuestDear anxiousangel:
Thank you for making it a bit easier for me to understand. So, I will check with you if I understand, is the following correct? If not correct me:
You no longer care about your background, that is, your father’s profession, the social status you were born into. What you care about is the social status you achieve. In other words, social status is still what you care about most.
“Social status” means what other people are thinking about you, who they think you are. It is important to you that other people think you are worthy and in your communications with other people you, now habitually, focus on managing information so to achieve your desired result: being thought worthy by others.
In your pursuit of being thought very well of, you divorced yourself from your authenticity, put it aside as not important, and you say and behave in any which way so to be thought well of. Your social identity (how other people see you) suffocated your personal identity (your authenticity).
Regardless of the success- or lack of success- of these efforts, you are miserable without your authenticity.
Is that correct?
anita
March 16, 2016 at 10:13 am #99156anxiousangelParticipantVery correct anita..not only it is choking my authenticity..it is affecting my goals and my perception of life.
Also i wnat to get out if it as it is consuming. But here ur point f me being my authentic self in doing so(which u made in 1 st reply)…made sense..
Are these social needs…needs of my authentic self. Is its deep desire to b loved and appreciated making me do all these things..and eventually choking me.
I m willing to consider all viewpoints to rewire my life.
Talking to u is revealing anita.
I m trying to make it simple..forgive mistakes.March 16, 2016 at 10:20 am #99157anxiousangelParticipantWhen ppl come close to me..they kno i possess qualities which they respecr i get the love and appreciation… Personality is an adaptaion..a live presentation..and all my life i hav been busy in it…to fulfill my desires..and considered good enuf for things.
But nw i want my energies not to fear the world s perception ..find peace within..and do things in allignment wid my authentic self. I hav strong spiritual inclination ..and i m different i kno tht. But i want to b peaceful and engrossed in my uniqueness now.
March 16, 2016 at 10:47 am #99164AnonymousGuestDear anxiousangel:
Yes, I do believe that your need to be loved, to be thought of as worthy by others is an authentic need, very much so.
Every human being living in a society of humans, cannot be perfectly authentic. For example, it is a social taboo to go to the bathroom in front of other people… to speak with your mouth open while eating. Going to the bathroom and eating with one’s mouth open are authentic to a baby but soon we are told that these are not appropriate to do and we should adapt to social rules.
What you are describing is taking the adaptation to society too far.
So, over time (and this process of you becoming more and more authentic is going to take time and an amazing amount of patience and gentleness that you will have to practice toward yourself!), you decide what social adaptations to keep practicing and which to no longer practice.
Like breaking any habit, it will take practice of behaving differently. It will fell uncomfortable until your new habit will far ongoing. You develop a new habit.
Thinking to yourself (and writing here, if you’d like), you can come up with specifically with what adaptations to keep practicing and what to no longer practice. As you come up with what to no longer practice, you can practice what to say and do in place of what you used to say and do. You can practice new answers to questions you are asked, and new openings to a conversation.
It is and will be a process, a learning process. Commitment, patience and genteelness with yourself will make it possible.
anita
March 16, 2016 at 11:26 am #99169anxiousangelParticipantAnita
Stay with it.
I got wat u r pointing to.
Let me process it further. I m an overthinking being..and lack patience.U cn comment furthur what i need to do.
But do u think my problem is too big to solve.
I want it to go bfore i m married…else i wud judge my spouse and will never hav intimacy and honesty wid her in relationship. Also i want to accomplish sumthing in life. I kno i m different ans a performer..want to use it to develop the art8st within in a presebtation industry. Buy dont kno hw to. My pife has alaways been full f promise but lacking in tangible results which build up ur credibility.Thanx a lot.
March 16, 2016 at 11:42 am #99171AnonymousGuestDear anxiousangel:
No, I don’t think your problem is too big to solve. I think it would be impossible to solve without you practicing patience with yourself. And it is also required that your understanding is not limited to intellect, bare intellect. You need to understand yourself as a rational and an emotional being. Without your understanding of your emotions, motivations, needs… all the bare intellectual understanding will be of no use.
You can gain intellectual understanding very quickly. But emotional understanding, that takes time and …(that word again) patience.
Your problem is not too big to solve if you have patience and if you… patiently attend to your emotional being.
You mentioned potential vs tangible results. “Tangible” is what we can touch, the word itself. If something is tangible, it means we can touch it. Emotional understanding is like that, tangible, meaning we can feel it. Bare intellectual understanding is intangible.
Much easier and faster to think. Difficult and slow, to feel. So patience. Whatever you want tangible results with, start small. Authenticity? Start small, nothing is too small to exercise if it promotes authenticity. Once you do something small, the next thing will not look as impossible as it looks like now. One small step at a time, and over time, with persistence, gentleness with yourself and that … other word you need more of.
anita
March 16, 2016 at 12:01 pm #99174anxiousangelParticipantproblem has ben..all ths has turned out to b an exercise of intellectual understanding.
i hav understood the process for a long time now.
but i need broken down advise on what to change and where,as i mentioned i m overthinking overanalyzing brred,i get caught up in this cycle f analysis and dont make those valuable changes,
u r right i kno. wat to do now. shud i see a therapist. i m thinking f seeing one.
March 16, 2016 at 12:05 pm #99175anxiousangelParticipantalso nver really explored too much of the emotional needs u mentioned…help me wid dat.
March 16, 2016 at 12:26 pm #99178AnonymousGuestDear anxiousangel:
A competent, caring and hard working psychotherapist is the best way to go. Not too many of those though. But yes, one like that, definitely. When you wrote “help me with that”- did you mean you want me to help you with it?
If so, there is a way to start. It is called Mindfulness and that is the first thing my competent, caring and hard working psychotherapist taught me: mindfulness. It is a practice that takes time, where you … I’ll put it my way:
I used to be this huge “floating head” thinking, analyzing so much, that my head was like this giant balloon, only heavy. I was hardly aware that this giant, heavy balloon was attached to a body. I was anxious and distressed much of the time, not aware what it was that was distressing me… I was aware of being in pain, but there was so much, so much fear, hurt, rage, it was too much to see into.
To be able to have that emotional understanding takes you being able to shrink that head, and take the elevator down from your huge head to the body. And over time, to distinctly recognize a particular emotion in all that mess of distress.
So, to start with mindfulness, outside psychotherapy where you will learn that, there are the guided meditation, yoga (slow, mindful movements), Tai Chi (again, slow, mindful movements)… deep, slow breathing- very important. What would be the easiest for you of these options (or another that comes to mind?)
* Here is an exercise: stand up, take a few slow, deep breaths, look at your hands and slowly close your hands into gentle fists, then spread your fingers, opening your hands. Breathe and look at your hands, closing and opening very slowly.
Tell me how that went.
anita
March 16, 2016 at 12:36 pm #99180anxiousangelParticipanti went to a 10 day meditation course vipassana if u are aware of it.
i got the technique and felt good too. i kno and understand the theory intellectully,its my hobby. living inthe present,being equanimous to circumstances,not identifying with the ego, feeling sensations of emotions and let them pass,judgement is the trap etc.but i m this compulsive thinker who isstuck wid his habits directing him, and not able to do things inspite f understanding them on a level. if u had similar experiences u cn help a lot.
but u need to b patient wid me, coz my instinctive tendency will always b to counter ur arguements.i m seeking ur help but i m difficult, so will u..
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