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June 8, 2018 at 8:20 am #211661
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GuestDear Robbi1992:
I read your whole post and it is indeed a very long one, but not boring, not to me.
Somewhere at the beginning of your post you wrote, “I am not doing anything at all in general and I guess I’ve been pretty much always like this”. Toward the end of your post you wrote: “nothing really changed. I’m stuck in a loop”.
This is my understanding: as a child nothing much was happening between you and your parents. They provided for your physical existence and later on, for your education, spending and sending lots of money your way, but nothing much was going on between you and them. There was emptiness between, a vacuum of sorts, no connection.
But not because you didn’t try. A young child naturally reaches out for connection, again and again. They didn’t respond. Didn’t reject you in violent or memorable ways, but rejected you nonetheless.
After so many subtle, non memorable rejections, you gave up and kept to yourself.
All through your life you wanted to connect on one hand, but was fearful of the rejection you experienced, fearing trying and being turned away, rejected. You spent a lot of time in front of the computer, safer that way, comfortable. Least anxiety not connecting, not trying to connect.
We as adults pretty much keep re-living our childhoods, keep feeling the way we felt then. The emptiness you felt all along is the same emptiness you felt as a child. Your childhood experience, I believe, is that loop in which you are stuck.
What do you think about what I wrote so far?
anita
June 8, 2018 at 9:11 am #211669Robi1992
ParticipantDear anita
Thank you so much for your reply! I was sure I won’t get any becaube of my long post.
I read your insight a few times now and it feels like you got this right. It is true.. It did feel like I’ve been rejected. It felt like I was never been able to be myself around them and I didn’t really develop. I taught about this scenario before but I taught about so many others. I was never able to focus on any of them because they where to many.
I still feel uncomfortable around them and I still don’t feel connection. Knowing this now, makes me feel a little hopeless to be honest. Feels big and hard to deal with.
In this moment I really don’t know what to do. I feel like I should just leave and restart somewhere else. Maybe even back to Spain.
Thank you so much for this!
June 8, 2018 at 2:10 pm #211699Anonymous
GuestDear Robi1992:
There is hope. A way to start over, which is what you want, is psychotherapy with a capable, empathetic, trustworthy therapist with whom you can connect in a way you still need to connect with another. It will be a place to get in touch with strong feelings that are there to bring to look at.
To “just leave and restart somewhere else”, Spain or elsewhere is not going to work without some therapy, I believe.
I will be away from the computer for about 12 hours or so. I hope you post again with your thoughts and feelings.
anita
June 9, 2018 at 4:35 am #211749Robi1992
ParticipantDear anita
I still have hope. I’ve never lost my hope and I know some day things are going to be much better. Even If I am not taking much effort towards getting there I am sure I will get much better and stronger on the way. In the last year I felt this urge to get better and dedicate a big part of my life to help others also looking for answers. Since I don’t really function, first I need to get myself back up. Well… just up.
When 2017 started I felt like things got so much better and I somehow forgot about all my struggles. I started being much more social, having much more things to do, doing sports, partying a lot and meeting new people every day and easily connecting with everyone. I also had my great relationship I wanted so much for so long. I was very happy and confident.. I was just walking on the street and smile.. it was like something inside of me changed and I was running a different version of myself. I even cared much less about what other people think of me.. Because I was finally feeling myself. And I was finally happy with who I am. It felt like I couldn’t fall back where I was before.. But I did. This only lasted for around 2 months.. and when I got back from my Erasmus year.. I did fall back.. maybe even lower. It’s like I had a demo of how my life could be.
Therapy
After coming back home in March I started seeing a therapist. I wanted to get back up so much.. Things started to feel really bad and I was sure I am depressed, depersonalized or bipolar. A lot of Google-ing and watching Tedx Talks happened so I kind of labeled the way I felt.
She was nice. She was listening and also talking a lot to me. Felt like a conversation between two friends but I cannot say I was completely comfortable opening myself in some areas. For example, I never told her I was suffering so much from being single and having no physical interaction for about 3 years. That felt like the end of the world for me back then.. and It felt like everyone but me was doing that. I felt like a freak. We never came across that subject.. Maybe I would’ve said it. I don’t really know. I was completely honest with her and I wanted her help.. So I basically did and told her whatever she wanted to know.
However we spoke a lot about my parents and my childhood, my passion for photography and others, my university years, my relationship with my girlfriend and the fact I was looking for a job at the moment and I wasn’t getting anywhere with it. The first two times It felt like we are not on the same page at all.. and it felt like she is not really getting what I’m trying to express. I was surprised later to find out that she did actually get me and she really paid close attention. Right than I regained trust.. and I felt like this is working.
As I told you above, I was waiting for a diagnosis. I expected myself to be either depressed, depersonalized or bipolar. Or all together if that’s even possible. Her diagnosis wasn’t coming and that made me feel like she’s ignorant or she’s not trying at all to help me. So I told her.. I feel like I might be mentally sick.. I told her I was expecting a diagnosis.. I told her I needed something to point my finger at.. because so far, I didn’t know anything.. I was just talking. So she gave me a test which consisted in a sheet of paper filled with questions like: I feel angry / sad / unmotivated / all kinds of feelings … once a week / sometimes / every day.. You get the idea. I filed it and next day went back to her. It felt like she only gave me the test because I asked her what’s wrong with me.. I guess there was no need for the test in her opinion at least.
She said:
” You are not sick. You want to be sick. Sadly for you, you are a healthy person. ”
I felt somehow relieved to hear that but in the same time even more layer of fog added. After she checked the test she gave me she said I tend to be socially anxious and I am not depressed. She did say I have a tendency towards depression but right now there is nothing wrong with me except for not knowing what I want to do with my life and having a direction / a path / a goal.
What I understood from her answer.. I want to be sick. I am stopping myself from taking any kind of action. I want to be sick so I have the reason to do nothing.
I last seen the therapist in December 2017. Since then, I started my first job which ended after one month, I kept going to interviews but nothing really worked out. I didn’t want to do much so basically that was the main reason. Some of them could’ve worked well.. but I always found reasons not to start working. Indeed few times I actually started working, like a few days to try it out but eventually they didn’t take me..
Since then, I still felt anxious, sad, unbalanced, bored and stuck in a loop. My girlfriend kept telling me every day I should start working or at least learning her language so we can both go to her country together. For some reason… I just fail at doing anything.. It’s like I want something but I keep forgetting about it every day.. I cannot keep doing something.
Thank you so much, for reading all this and showing interest in my story. This means a lot to me and I wish I could give back to you in some way. I am very grateful!
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June 9, 2018 at 5:35 am #211761Anonymous
GuestDear Robi1992:
You are welcome. And I do benefit from communicating with you, so you are already “give back to (me” something beneficial.
I agree that in the beginning of 2017, you “had a demo of how (your) life could be”. It is common to experience such demos. Maybe everyone does. When we do, we think this is how life is going to be from now on, but it doesn’t happen that way. The demos do end. The reason they end is because they are not sustainable. The “high” of a demo experience cannot carry us through the anxiety and distress from our childhood. That anxiety, that distress is not undone by that high. It returns to our experience soon enough, too soon, unfortunately.
Regarding the therapist you saw in 2017 who told you that you are not sick. Maybe you don’t fit the diagnosis of psychosis, which is what most people think of as sick, and you are not doomed to be sick lifetime, but of course you were sick when you saw her, this is why you saw her. I think she was wrong, too bad.
You initially felt better hearing her tell you that you are not sick because we don’t like to think that we are sick, or unwell. But convenient, untrue thinking harms us and so it harmed you: you concluded that you want to be sick so to do nothing. Not true.
Lots of therapists are simply not capable enough to be helpful from one point on. At first it feels nice to have someone listen to us, and they have good input but then, many therapists are not capable enough to continue to be helpful and they undo the help they have given by their own misunderstanding of life and people.
anita
June 9, 2018 at 6:50 am #211773Robi1992
ParticipantDear anita
I am happy to get such an honest support from you and feels good to try to ” investigate ” the situation I am going trough.
Next to that I also feel sad. I feel like I was maybe missing the point all these months when I kept myself too busy with finding the answer. It almost felt like I’ve been working a full time job only there was no payment or progress. My main activity these months was simply trying to find out what is missing. I believe that could also be the reason I wasn’t doing anything latelly. It feels like I need to sort things out first in order to get on with my life.
But maybe I kept myself busy with the wrong thing. All of my friends including my girlfriend who know about the way I feel advised me to keep myself busy with something and stop focusing about whatever is wrong here. I should just find a job and do things even if I don’t feel like it. Basically push myself to do it and I might feel better about myself and my life situation.
What do you personally think about this?
Thank you!
June 9, 2018 at 7:34 am #211781Anonymous
GuestDear robi1192:
It is not going to work, to figure it all out in your head and only after you have it figured out intellectually, then do what needs to be done, living your life the way it should be lived.
On the other hand, it will not work for you either to rush into activity without thinking, making long term commitments.
The middle way, the reasonable way to go about it is to do both: to think and to take action, think and do daily.
Life is not a pure intellectual experience, a something to figure out intellectually. Got to experience it while being active in it. No action is too small if it promotes your understanding, if you learn from it.
It is not about taking perfect action according to a perfect plan arrived at following perfect understanding. Understanding is never perfect, never complete. It keeps growing through action and then more thinking, then more action and so forth.
anita
June 9, 2018 at 9:21 am #211829Robi1992
ParticipantOkay! I get it. And I will do exactly that.
I allready established that waiting for my answer while not taking any kind of action is not going to lead me anywhere. What strikes me.. It’s the fact I knew this all along but I still haven’t changed anything.
My plan was to go and live abroad to my girlfriend’s country and find a job there. I said it a lot but in 8 months I didn’t manage to learn her language. I have about 2 months left and I’m not that sure if I should go.
It could be good for me to experience something new and restart some how and finally be financially independent. But I’m also scared things will turn out worse than they are here. Maybe we will take with us all the fights and anger we are having here.
To be honest with you, I also scared of losing her. I’m not sure if it’s because I truly love her or im just scared of being single again. As u allready know it started very special and it meant so much to me. But latelly I’m not so sure anymore. She’s living in one month and the plan is for me to follow. She will go regardless of my decision to stay or go somewhere else.
She came here for a year for us to be together and she didn’t like It here. Also things didn’t really work between us and we’ve been fighting a lot.. But we stayed together. We are living together and maybe that was too much and too early.
A part of me wants to go. Because that part of me feels like it’s just a phase and we are going to work it out together. In the same time I feel like maybe when I will find my personal ballance, our relationship will also feel good again. We both seem to struggle with persobal issues..
On the other hand.. I feel like it’s not really working anymore. And I feel like I am too young for something as serious as this seems to be. And.. Yes.. Sometimes I feel like I should experience more dating.. Maybe its just my ego talking.
Its a very difficult decision for me to take without having much clarity.. Its so hard to focus about so many issues. Its such a huge pressure. And most of the times I’m scared that.. If we break up.. I might regret it later on. Because.. What I had with her.. At least at the beginning doesn’t happen to everyone. I felt really lucky. And maybe I am.
Thank you anita
You made such a big difference!
June 9, 2018 at 9:43 am #211831Anonymous
GuestDear Robie1992:
You are welcome. Lots of fear, the word scared in your recent post appears repeatedly. Fear leads to inaction, afraid to move this way, afraid to move that way, overwhelmed by options, overwhelmed by life.
When so afraid, the thing to do is to see less of the whole picture in front of you. The whole picture, all the options, is simply too much to look at. So you look at this one corner of the picture, at this one square centimeter of it and deal only with that.
Here is a square centimeter: no more fighting with the woman in your life. Talk, don’t fight. Do your part in it. If she insists on fighting while you do your best to talk, honestly, openly, non-aggressively, then she is the wrong woman for you. If she cooperates and talks, then she may be the right one for you.
So you take the simple action of talking (not fighting) and see how that works out, then take it from there. See how that works before she leaves, so you have this piece of information regarding your future planning, this one piece of the picture.
I will soon be away from the computer for about 16 hours. I didn’t respond, I think, to all that you mentioned in your recent post. Feel free to bring up anything I missed, anything you want feedback about and I will read and respond to your next post when I am back.
anita
June 10, 2018 at 5:31 am #211909Robi1992
ParticipantDear anita
” Fear leads to inaction, afraid to move this way, afraid to move that way, overwhelmed by options, overwhelmed by life ”
I couldn’t describe my situation better. Overwhelmed. Overwhelmed by options.. Overwhelmed by life.
I’ve never felt so unsure in my whole life. I’ve been in my home town living with my parents for a few days now.. And now I’m going back to where I live. In a way, I don’t want to go back to live with my girlfriend.. I don’t want to feel mad and unsure around her anymore. I don’t want to listen to her telling me we should go out or go for a walk.. Because I feel irritated.. Because I don’t feel like it. Most of the times I don’t feel like doing s*it. And that… That makes me mad at myself for not being able to funcion in harmony.. For not being able to make her happy and smile the way I used to. I am frustrated. Big time. I Just realised that while writing.
I look around me.. And all the people I know seem to manage. They all have a job and are able to stand on their own feet. They all seem to function and even if they might feel lost aswell they still at least move forward in a way. They do something. I do compare myself to pretty much everyone.. And I know I shouldn’t.
I have to get better. Its been too much. I could be such a great person.. I could be so much more.. But I am not. Why ? Because I am scared. And I don’t even know of what.
Thank you anita for reading all this.. I am sometimes wondering why are u doing all this for a complete stranger.. You must be such a wonderful person.
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June 10, 2018 at 7:29 am #211915Anonymous
GuestDear Robi1992:
“why are u doing all this for a complete stranger”- you are not such a stranger. You are scared and I know scared, you are struggling, and I know what it means, how it feels. You are suffering. I know suffering. Your words on the screen, here, that is you. Not a stranger.
“I have to get better”, you wrote. And you can. You can get better.
Back to the concept of being a stranger. Without a connection with your own parents, all through the years, aren’t they strangers to you and aren’t you a stranger to them? Did you feel seen by them through the years, heard, listened to?
Or did you feel through the years with your parents, invisible, empty, lost in nothingness?
anita
June 10, 2018 at 8:21 am #211921Robi1992
ParticipantDear anita
Well.. I guess I never felt very close to my parents. I was very attached to them as child ( very young barelly remember something) but as I grew up I started liking them less and less to the point of being against them when it comes to pretty much everything.
Most of the times it felt like I hate them and I considered them loosers. I basically considered everyone to be better than my parents and I showed them that. I cannot say I had a specific reason to feel that way about them. I was also against them even when they where right..
About one thing I am sure. They never gave me privacy or the feeling of freedom. As I mentioned in my first and very long post, they used to keep me with them at their workplace after finishing my school. I had to just sit around there for 6..7 hours every day after finishing school. Only after I was going home.. With them. All of my friends used to go home after school and watch TV, play games or just.. Maybe have some time on their own.
I guess I hated them for that.
I also hated them for not having my own room. Well.. I did. But none of the stuff there was mine. It was one of the rooms my parents basically used to keep various stuff in. The appartment I was raised in only had 2 rooms. Except from the living room and kitchen there was only one room left.. The room I was sleeping in. It wasn’t so bad.. Some people make it with much less…
But… It had a door basically made of glass.. U couldn’t see clearelly through it.. But it didn’t give me a feeling of privacy. They used to also come in whenever they needed something from there and that used to happen every time.. They kept stuff they used daily there. I never had my own space. I never had a room full of posters on the walls and personal things around.
I also hated them for that..
I used to minmize whatever was happening on my computer every time they we’re entering the room. I dont know why.. Maybe I was trying to keep something for myself.
I also kept most of my friends as a secret from themt. I never wanted my parents to get to know my friends.
I don’t know if this answered your question..
‘Did you feel seen by them through the years, heard, listened to?<
Or did you feel through the years with your parents, invisible, empty, lost in nothingness?”Well.. I felt controlled not necesarelly seen. Heard.. Maybe. They bought me stuff I wanted occasionally but that’s pretty much where it ended.
Invisible I didn’t. They could almost see me through that glass door. Also hear me. So.. Imagine me taking call. So I was listened to aswell.. But not the way I would’ve preffered.
I don’t know about the empty of lost part.. I wasn’t happy.. I’m sure about that. Being a big part of my childhood trapped in their woworkplace indeed made me feel invisible.. I was always there.. Everyone was coming and going. Except me. I wasn’t. Hmm.. Pretty much like… now.
Well u said it.. Things from childhood do repeat.. S*it.
There was also the lake house. In summers we lived there. I had nothing to do and not much friends. I was living there for the summer. My friends used to come for the weekend and get back to the city. Again I was trapped there waiting for people to come and give me some attention. I guess.. I was very lonely. Well.. Not.
My parents where there every second of my childhood.
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June 10, 2018 at 8:41 am #211927Anonymous
GuestDear Robbie1992:
I will be away from the computer for some time, don’t know how long. I will read your recent post and reply when I am back.
anita
June 11, 2018 at 2:19 am #211979Anonymous
GuestDear Robbi1992:
I re-read some of your original post and all your posts following it. This is what I currently understand: you spent most of your childhood waiting and you are now in the habit of waiting.
You wrote: “I was basically waiting, idling (… not that much changed now)” Your childhood experience was: “I was trapped there waiting” and watching other people doing the living.
Literally you were sitting there at your parents’ workplace for six, seven hours per day, waiting while watching “Everyone ..coming and going. Except me. I wasn’t. Hmm… Pretty much like… now.”
And then, in the summer you were… still waiting, watching your friends doing the living: “My friends used to come for the weekend and get back to the city. Again I was trapped there waiting”.
You wrote: “My parents were there every second of my childhood” and you wrote: “I still feel uncomfortable around them”. This means that almost every second of your childhood you felt uncomfortable. You wrote: “I still felt anxious, sad, unbalanced, and stuck” – this is what uncomfortable meant then and still does.
You “used to minimize whatever was happening on (your) computer every time they were entering the room… kept most of my friends as a secret from them” because you were indeed uncomfortable.
You wrote: “They (your parents) could almost see me through that glass door. Also hear me.” But they didn’t see or hear at all that you were so very uncomfortable, anxious, sad, unbalanced and stuck, not in the storage room where you slept, not as you waited in their workplace, not as you sat there in the lake house.
What happens to a child who spends hours per day waiting and hiding, day in and day out, year after year? He gets in the habit of waiting and doing the least possible, waiting for a better time to start living.
A child waiting is down, sort of lying down, waiting, hardly moving, “I need to get myself back up. Well… just up.”
You wrote: “For some reason… I just fail at doing anything.. it’s like I want something but I keep forgetting about it every day.. I cannot keep doing something”- You are in the habit of waiting, doing nothing or the least doing that is possible.
The.. simple solution that comes to mind is… change this habit and start a new habit, that of doing something, that of living. Stop waiting, Start living.
Only it is not that simple, far from it. Your anger, an understandable anger, is in the way of changing this habit.
The child trapped, waiting, was an angry child, angry at his parents (“Most of the times it felt like I hate them”) and angry at your girlfriend (“I don’t want to feel mad.. around her anymore.. I feel irritated”)
You feel angry for not having been one of those other people coming and going, living life while you were trapped, waiting to live your own life. You are still angry.
This anger needs to be addressed before you can un-trap yourself, free yourself from the habit of waiting. And then, there is the fear, of course, the fear of finally having the freedom you longed for all these years.
In Spain you had the demo of that freedom only it couldn’t be sustained because of the anger and fear being too intense and not yet adequately addressed.
What do you think of my understanding?
anita
June 11, 2018 at 5:01 am #212027Robi1992
ParticipantDear anita
Well… What you just said feels right. It feels like I got much closer to the problem. Indeed I think I am in the habit of waiting.. And its going to be difficult to get out of this. Maybe a job could help.. Or even going abroad with the girlfriend. Maybe if I take a more brutal action like leaving and needing to find a job would make me do things.
Its scary how accurate your feedback is.. I think you are right with what you said to me.
P. S: do you think would be better to gain some distance from my parents? Hopefully to be financially independent and also seing them less..?
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