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June 4, 2017 at 9:11 am #151844TannhauserBlocked
This weekend I finally lost interest in a major hobby of mine which I used to have a very keen interest in. I tried to keep it going, but it was utterly futile and I have abandoned it. I am now extremely concerned that I will lose all interest in my music. I am already halfway there. I have lost interest in composition and I don’t practice as much as I used to. These are the things by which I identified myself. By that yardstick then, my whole persona is dying. I am rotting from the inside, and it is this horrific Kundalini shit which has been the corrosive element in all this.
There is no support for all this.
Tannhauser
June 4, 2017 at 10:21 am #151848AnonymousGuestDear Tannhauser:
It is a shame that there is no help available for the very distress involved in a fairly known concept, the Kundalini concept (a readily available, googlable long entry is available on Wikipedia, listing all the symptoms you listed on your posts of many months).
You wrote: “There is no support for all this”. I do not believe in Kundalini being real. But I respect the fact that you do.
Wikipedia mentions Kundalini- teachers but none is available: I googled a website offering such teaching but it is no longer active and I don’t know if it was of any help to anyone when it was available. None of the people who posted on your threads about Kundalini, people who believe wholeheartedly in it being true and real, none of them was able to help you and much of what they expressed was not agreeable to you.
As you stated time and time again, you are alone in this experience. I wish you had help, I wish someone was able to help you.
I wonder what kind of music you composed and played and what music you can still play.
anita
June 4, 2017 at 10:51 am #151852TannhauserBlockedIt doesn’t matter Anita,
I can’t go on living like this. I have to accept that my life is over. You are probably right about Kundalini. I certainly don’t believe that God exists, or he would have to be the biggest arsehole in the Universe, and unspeakably cruel with it.
I just keep having these episodes of intense emptiness inside me, and they are growing more prolonged. The person I used to be has died. There is just this zombie shell in his place.
Best wishes,
Tannhauser
June 5, 2017 at 6:46 am #151948FingeristParticipantTannhauser,
I do not know what kind of philosophies or thought and emotion patterns you have sunken yourself into but seems that they have not been worthwhile.
You probably have been dwelling too much doing same things and now you are totally bored with them.
You are transforming to something else as a being and your state is just a passing phase in transformation.
Do not stay in the agony, start doing things you may have completely overlooked.
I do believe that “God” or the source of everything (GO-O-OD) exists but as we are limited beings in many ways we are not always able to perceive the bliss of existence, only partial “showers” of it. I do not belong to any church but I have experienced many “mystical” revelations while reading sacred texts of multiple religions leaving me weeping under the depth of the feeling.
I really cannot blame the Provider for not fullfilling my every wish.
There are many things that we just have to do ourselves.
The simple law is that on what you concentrate your actions will grow within you.
So if you feed any angst or depression it will get bigger and bigger.
Turn your focus on delightful things and actions and you will feel better.
I have found many helpful tips on the YouTube videos by Sadhguru, he is a guy with a genuine no-bullshit type of attitude on all things of spirituality and beyond. Highly recommended.
Wishing wellness,
Fingerist
June 5, 2017 at 11:51 am #152014AnonymousGuestDear Tannhauser:
You wrote “It doesn’t matter”- I think you mean whether Kundalini is true or not?
But you, Tannhauser, you matter. And it saddens me that you’ve been in such great distress for so very long. I so wish you experience a great relief, a peace of mind and body, and soon. I do hope so.
Kundalini or not, the very departure from your Catholic beliefs, upbringing and involvement in churches you attended until not long ago, volunteering your music; the isolation this has caused for you, in your relationship with your parents, their rejection… these are unsettling, to say the least. More like, in my experience, an earthquake that shakes the brain. A person needs emotional support to survive such core shaking.
anita
June 6, 2017 at 3:08 am #152074TannhauserBlockedThanks for your input, Anita.
I think the answers to all my problems are going to come from Buddhism/self-mastery and not Christianity. I have been shaken by my experience of the latter, because I have come to realise that some priests simply don’t fully believe in it. Being a priest seems to be more of a career choice than anything else. Yesterday I spoke to an exorcist about my experiences. He told me to see my GP. To be honest, I don’t think he could really be bothered dealing with the problem because it was his day off. It took a LOT of bravery on my part for me to do that because I knew they wouldn’t believe me. But I had to try, I had to satisfy myself that I had done everything in my power to address the situation. If this ‘thing’ ends up driving me to commit suicide I at least fought it as hard as I could. And no God will dare judge me for it.
That will be the last time I EVER look to the Catholic Church for help. I wonder to myself what use is such an institution if it merely plays at being spiritual. I think that in the end it will be overtaken by scientific argument, rationality and reason, because it has already accepted them.
You are quite correct. A person needs a support system for this. But there is none. This is why Lord Buddha struck out on his own. He had to. It seems I am being encouraged to create an entirely new belief system free from religious dogma, which is why my experiences often included Pagan and even Norse Heathen gods. (It seems God/Universe is all inclusive, but religions want to stick a label on Him/Her and claim Him/Her as being peculiarly theirs). Please do not equate God(s) with religion and doctrine. God(s) does NOT issue threats or demands. God is a liberator not a punisher. God is life, not death.
You don’t need a religion. Everything you need is inside you.
Best wishes, and thank you for your help,
Tannhauser
June 6, 2017 at 4:57 am #152078AnonymousGuestDear tannhauser:
You are welcome.
You wrote: “It took a LOT of bravery on my part….I at least fought it as hard as I could”- as I wrote to you previously, you are a fighter, all through your posts here you were a fighter and I admire you for it. And as I wrote to you before, your courage, all through your communications here, is clear and evident, courage and bravery.
You wrote: “I am being encouraged to create an entirely new belief system”- changing core beliefs, abandoning the old and creating new core beliefs, very different from the old, involves what I referred to in my last post “an earthquake that shakes the brain.”
There is nothing more difficult to do than to change one’s core beliefs. These beliefs about who you are, who your family members are, god, afterlife and so on, these beliefs are “glued” to the brain with the strong glue of emotions. When that glue is removed, that earthquake is created, a great unsettling.
It just occurred to me as I wrote the last sentence: your old belief is the Catholic beliefs. You now believe that those beliefs are untrue. If you didn’t look for Substitute Beliefs, beliefs to fill in the vacuum created by evacuating the old beliefs, and let the dust settle on disbelieving the old, maybe that will bring you peace.
Maybe if you took a long, long pause in between abandoning the old beliefs and creating new beliefs. If you could be satisfied with the first…
anita
June 6, 2017 at 5:53 am #152082TannhauserBlockedOh certainly, my Catholic beliefs are dead. And they are dead because God/Universe perhaps wanted me to see a bigger picture.
You mentioned a ‘shaking’. Here’s what Taoism says:
Tao means a road, path, way; and hence, the way in which one does something; method, doctrine, principle. The Way of Heaven, for example, is ruthless; when autumn comes ‘no leaf is spared because of its beauty, no flower because of its fragrance’
This has certainly been ruthless.
Best wishes,
Tannhauser
June 6, 2017 at 7:09 am #152094AnonymousGuestDear Tannhauser:
Your Catholic beliefs are dead, you wrote. Brings me to the title of your thread: “My persona is dying”-
I often look again at definitions of words to get more out of them. First definition of persona I came across this morning: “the aspect of someone’s character that is presented to or perceived by others”-
understandably then, you presented yourself as a Catholic in the past, and you were perceived as Catholic by others, and you are no longer presenting that or perceived as that, then indeed, your person is dying or is dead.
I like your tao/ nature quote. I see a lot of truth in nature. “‘no leaf is spared because of its beauty, no flower because of its fragrance”- true, thing is, there is no one to do the sparing, I am thinking.
anita
June 6, 2017 at 7:18 am #152096TannhauserBlockedYes, my persona, my very essence, is dying.
I just tried to practice my harp for an hour. I didn’t enjoy it, it felt forced. I used to love my music but I don’t think I can do it anymore. I think I am finished because there is nothing I can identify with. I am empty inside and it scares me.
Best wishes,
Tannhauser
June 6, 2017 at 8:35 am #152106AnonymousGuestDear Tannhauser:
I read that “the playing of the wire-strung harp has been described as extremely difficult. Because of the long-lasting resonance, the performer had to dampen strings which had just been played while new strings were being plucked”-
makes me think of dampening the strings of fear before producing joyful sounds of new strings (and dampening the strings of Catholicism before seeing the bigger picture you mentioned in the post before last).
anita
June 6, 2017 at 10:26 am #152140FingeristParticipantTannhauser,
It seems that you are taking this too seriously.
You really need to take a break from all the things that are raising anxiety.
You probably have been contemplating too much on the buddhist concept of “no-thingness” or “no-mindness” which is not healthy. Personally I think that the whole concept is somewhat misunderstood (lost in translation). And buddhism could be understood as a branch of Hinduism or something like that.
Ego cannot be removed, the practical way is to soften it with compassion for oneself and others.
Spending too much with yourself in your mindspace and with lifeless things is taking its toll.
And playing such type of music and instrument that requires “perfection” adds to it.
In a word, perfectionism is the problem you are suffering from.
Go outdoors, meet people, do playful things, interact with LIVING beings. Do little helpful things to others. It will refresh your perspectives on life. You are a human after all, aren’t you?
Personally I think that Catholicism has very poisonous belief-system construct of all christianity, all that guilt, guilt, guilt.
I have a short background with Evangelical Lutheran church, they have a little more flexible way of doing things. But I have not been a member of any church for many years. All major churches are still doing good work for people but I prefer to support humanitary work without organized religions. They tend to add their own agenda on things and that is really not necessary.
While people as spiritual beings are evolving the churches with their old dogmas are lacking heavily behind.
Now is the time for people to really open their hearts and start doing things in practical ways. In ways that are really working and binding us together. We all are pieces of one common life. Separate beings but heavily dependant on each other.
You should consider meeting some therapist who has a history of handling people with religious backgrounds.
Or if you still like to try with some Catholic priest who has a more practical and wider view on handling spiritual issues it might be easier to you. Depends on how bad your “allergy” with Catholics are.
I wish you find your inner clarity. Hope you do not get any pimples or spots when I say this but God really works through people. He/She works through you and if your light gets dim then go and borrow from someone else. The light will not be diminished from that.
June 7, 2017 at 3:15 am #152248TannhauserBlockedFingerist, I desperately want my life to return to normal. I want happiness and contentment. I have had enough of chasing after God and spiritual things and I just want to be like I used to be prior to 2013.
Unfortunately, I can’t do these things. I am in the middle of something strange and frightening. Energies keep coming into my head and they pass through my body. These energies have caused me terrible mental anxiety in the past 6 months, but what they are doing now is even worse: they are causing a deep emptiness inside me, particularly in the stomach area. It is as if there is a void there, and it causes me to fill it up with food and drink. It really is horrible and it is consuming everything.
The Catholic Church is a fraud and a joke, it’s priests merely play-actors. They aren’t spiritual in the slightest. In fact, I think for many of them the priesthood was simply a career choice. I have personally come across too many poor or bad priests in my time. Priests who were exorcists but who don’t wish to be bothered on their day off. Priests who viewed child pornography on their computers in their spare time. Priests who openly admitted in the pulpit at Mass that they didn’t know why they had become a priest in the first place and wondered if they had made the right decision. These are the last people anyone should be going to for help, especially the vulnerable.
I personally don’t believe in the Christian God archetype anymore. I think it is a childish concept. I have gone through such unprecedented levels of anguish and suffering in the past few years that I think the idea of a ‘loving Father’ is plainly ridiculous and an insult to one’s intelligence. There is no God out there. There is NOTHING except the Universe. That’s the one thing these energies bring with them: nothingness. And it is very scary. The more these energies come into me, the more empty I feel. The energies often make me feel like self-harming.
And in all these four years, not one person has offered ANY explanation for what I have experienced and how I might alleviate it. No one has helped in the slightest.
Thanks a lot.
Tannhauser
June 7, 2017 at 10:37 am #152286PearceHawkParticipantTannehauser I hope that today you discover that the negative things you are attached to serve no purpose to you, and that you are embraced my endless possibilities of love and happiness. As I read your posts, I see many people such as Fingerist and Anita, among others, who offer you solid advise and strong hope to hold on to so that you can nurture that hope and advice and incorporate it into your life. What I also see is that your communication with these people offering you help is that your responses seem to be a lot of, “yes but” type of reactions. The “yes but” approach diminishes the help people offer you and elevates the “yes but” to a level of most important than what is being offered. You said, ” The more these energies come into me, the more empty I feel.” What does the energies that Anita and Fingerist and others make you feel? Speaking to your comment of “I want happiness and contentment. I have had enough of chasing after God and spiritual things and I just want to be like I used to be prior to 2013. Unfortunately, I can’t do these things.” To say you can’t do these things is a choice. If you can’t do “these things” who can? You said, “And in all these four years, not one person has offered ANY explanation for what I have experienced and how I might alleviate it. No one has helped in the slightest.” The only explanation I can see, given what you say, is that your anger is a viable explanation that I think will help you much if you should choose to explore that. For you to say “No one has helped in the slightest” is only because you do not open your heart and mind and soul of the help offered to you. I think you want other people to change you. Only you can change you. Doing this opens your life to so many amazing things that you are missing. Please let go of your anger. It is harming you in ways that you do not deserve. But to do this, you must have unconditional love for yourself. And you can do this because you are worth it. Let go Tannehauser. Throw out the trash. There is much waiting for you that will bring you so much love and happiness.
June 7, 2017 at 11:31 am #152296FingeristParticipantTannhauser,
As PearceHawk mentioned you are holding on to your anger and disappointments with your history of past experiences of not getting any help. I am going through a similar phase where I am experiencing physical pain with my upper back and neck. Recently I visited an osteopathic physician who gave me good treatment so I could relax myself a bit. Then I was able to see that those pains were mostly caused by me as I was doing too much static work without taking breaks away from these damn computers. Too much sitting breaks your body. But you know the effects of unknown poison only after taking it. I was blaming my employer for causing this but it was my choice to let my back and neck stiffen. Now I am going trough a phase of forgiving myself being so stupid and learning new more ergonomic ways how to manage my job. A practical answer is that I need to change my position a lot. And most of all, stop blaming others for the choices (concious or non-concious) in my life. Done is done, leave the past, learned a lot, thanks and bye.
So, let go of the anger you are holding, it will harm you only. Throw away that huge mental rock that you are holding.
When you are cleansing your spirit it is easier when you do some physical actions along with it. Take a shower and think that water is rinsing away that specific grudge and worry.
Or go for a walk and when you are in a calmer state of mind you might consider writing a letter to all parties who you are holding grudge against. Feel free to use any foul words you can imagine. You do not need to send the letter, instead you just might want to rip it to pieces and burn the pieces.
Or if you like you can make a real-sized straw doll with your arch-enemy’s face glued on it and smack it with a baseball bat…your choice. Or scream out your despair. Just do anything that will get the rage out of your system. Suppressed negative feelings are stored within our body and if they are not “returned to the sender” they will pop up when a similar situation happens. Then somebody else have to see your rage and that is not good for you or that other innocent person.
So if you are not sure what to do then seek another live person who could help you.
And there are a lot of self-help books available on self-transformation, personal growth, acceptance and forgiving.
All the best!
-Fingerist
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