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    Bluesses
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    I’m going to try to keep this as short and precise as I can, however, I’m seeking clarity for a complicated situation so I apologize if this is tedious to read.

    1. I’m a 27 year old young professional who lives in the city by herself. I don’t have family here and I know all my friends through my ex. I’ve been in two relationships prior to this and I’d like to think I’ve handled them both fairly maturely.

    2. Over a year ago, my (now ex) boyfriend (lets call him R) asked me out and pursued me very aggressively. I had got out of a relationship not 3 months ago and didn’t want to jump into another relationship with R. Not only did I not have feelings for R, he also has a situation (lets call it ‘Blackbox’) because of which I couldn’t quite consider him as a potential boyfriend. We remained friends but over time I grew attracted to him and developed feelings for him. We started dating, but due to ‘BlackBox’ I could never quite picture a future with him (house, marriage, kids, family support etc.). We’re both young professionals who are financially independent, active, like to stay fit and have a good social circle.

    3. Since R and I started living together we have been through a lot of major life experiences together. R has always wanted a future with me but I have always held back for the fear of judgement, fear of not fulfilling parents’ expectations, fear of being an outcast, fear of societal pressures and fear of not getting people’s approval. Because of this our relationship has always been closeted. No one knew we were seeing each other for the entire year. This was often a point of argument for us because he wanted me to be proud of him and our relationship. Nonetheless, he gave me my space and put up with the secrecy in front of other people.

    4. To be honest, as much as I love him, I always felt that there could be something better out there for me. I say this for the same reasons why I didn’t fall for him in the first place. Something has always been missing for me. R isn’t very polished or well read, his language is fairly crass and he lacks the worldliness I’ve always expected my partner to have.

    5. Due to R’s Blackbox, he has been fighting his entire life to live the way he wants to. He has a lot of pressures from his parents and family in general and he has become self-involved/ protective of himself as a person because this life is precious to him. It doesn’t mean he’s not loyal or patient, he is… extremely. It just means that he didn’t have time to become a suave, polished, cultured man. He’s insensitive sometimes and would say things that could be interpreted to be mean, cruel and plain insensitive.

    6. I come from a very different background where my parents have sacrificed everything to make me who I am. They would never accept R because of his ‘BlackBox’. MY mom recently visited me and I introduced her to R. We didn’t tell her about ‘BlackBox’ and she ended up asking R if he’s interested in me and would someday like to see this go somewhere permanent. R and I told my mother together that we’d work on it and for him it was almost like a semi-engagement.

    7. About a week later, I told him I wasn’t ready for that commitment, and ended up breaking up with him. It didn’t feel right. I didn’t think he was ‘the one’. I didn’t want to lie to my parents my whole life and our future, if we have one, will be singularly different from most “normal” couples.

    8. We’ve been going back and forth for the past few months, mostly because I cannot make up my mind. We’ve been through a lot together and I am struggling from detaching myself from him. I cannot picture him with anyone else. I struggle with day to day activities like going to work, eating, sleeping etc. I’m in mourning and I grieve this loss like no other. I accept that I am going through a pretty significant emotional stress but the crying and the breakdowns are pretty scary and extremely intense.

    9. Recently, he sat me down and told me that he was over me. He has made his peace with our situation and even if I figure out all the logistics and want to commit to him, he no longer has the same feelings for me and would like to just stay friends. He has fought hard for this life and it is not meant to be spent as a doormat to someone else’s wishes. This he says in the most kind way, because I had been going back and forth with him. He wants to focus on this life and build it the way he has always wanted to and he wants someone who is strong as a pillar next to him who can stand by his side and support him and fight the world for him.
    He has completely detached himself from me and now treats me like he would any other friend.

    10. I burn with regret and guilt everyday. Watching him detach from me and finally tell me he no longer cares to wait for me to make my decision knocked the wind out of my life. He has been a strong, kind, patient and loyal boyfriend. One I don’t think I’ll be able to get over easily. He no longer cares for me like he used to and this transition has been maddening for me. He’s ready to start the rest of his life full force and is probably not averse to hooking up with someone else again. He has not allowed me to disappear from his life. He wants to be friends because in this city we (and our friends) are each other’s support system and we have been through enough to care for each other and not abandon/cut the cord from each other. We don’t hang out as much as we used to, but we talk/text often and meet every once in a while.

    11. I on the other hand struggle with his thoughts every waking moment. Yoga, friends, time away at my sister’s, gym, activities (like photography, painting, dance classes) haven’t helped. I’ve tried talking to some of our friends post break up but it hasn’t helped. He also doesn’t have qualms with keeping in touch with or being friends with his other exes since they have all been meaningful people in his life and he appreciates those who have stuck around for him. I don’t get it.
    His relationship with women is different from the conventional and I’m jealous (always have been) of the other women.

    12. I now want him back in my life. For good. I’ve decided I will come out to my parents about him, maybe even part of his situation and let them know. I want to do everything I can to fight for him and win his trust. He has made it abundantly clear that because I broke his trust once already, he has lost faith in me and my credibility has been shot. He no longer believes things I say and has also told me that even if I tell my parents and the world about us now and be willing to spend the rest of my life with him, he is past all that and would want me to be happy and not go through the trouble for him. His decision is seemingly final.

    Help.

    • This topic was modified 10 years, 6 months ago by Bluesses.
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    #52395
    belove
    Participant

    Dear Blusses,
    I can relate that this journey is not an easy one. To feel better about ourselves will take some change in our thoughts. Somehow, we need to start to think that there are so much more to us and to life than our relationships. Start searching for topics like “what every happy person know”, “how to be single and happy”, … Also, you had been with this person for a long time, you’ve built attachments, there are certain routines, certain comfort, … And that loss will take a little time to detach from. There are no magic. To not be stuck forever in this feeling, you need to set the right attitude; and start reading & researching toward that goal will help one little bit at the time. You will be alright. Most of us felt in love, had our heart broken, felt like we can’t get over certain someone. And we all eventually got pass that state. Emotions are temporary. It will pass. You have it within you to become a better you – all by yourself and not needing another person to define who you feel. Insights will come to you if you keep believing that you can do it and keep making small steps to get there. Much love to you. Namaste!

    #52401
    Chad
    Participant

    OKAY I know this is supposed to be a support site for enlightenment and encouragement, finding self etc….After reading your whole thing, you will have to forgive me in advance for some of my feedback is going to seem extremely judgmental and blunt. I only have your words and how you have portrayed your situation to go off of, I will give you my honest perceptions. I dont know what “black box” is or could even possible refer to, I really dont see how any issue it might refer to has any real bearing as it didnt seem to come up as something the source of your dilemma revolves around. What I noticed the source of your dilemma revolves around is simply…….. you.

    1: I always wondered what a “young professional” title means exactly. How is it different from a young person or just simply a professional? Why combine the two? Is there an old professional? if so what does that mean? what would be the difference be? When I hear young professional and from my experience with people who use that term, its simply some sort of “status.”

    2: You made a choice, to date someone you weren’t interest in, I think you need to ask yourself why? be really honest with yourself… going into something with a poor attitude and ending up with what you have….. are you surprised? I think there is something to be said about being an adult and not being shallow and giving someone a chance. The fact you make mention of it, tells me you think you should have enforced your boundaries earlier. Sometimes we should cut the cords to dating before starting a relationship with someone. The reasons we do it, are for you to find and will be what keeps you clear of something like this again. You list off things like, being fit, having money, being professional and having friends….. these are really your priorities? This is what common traits you look for in a partner? or how you gauge success of your life? What about, is emotionally balanced, respectful, responsible, honest……. I see those mentioned no where in your laundry list of demands from a man. I only see shallow surface things that have little or nothing to do with WHO a person is, but simply WHAT they are. Just Q’s to consider.

    3: You say the word FEAR 4 times….. I will give you enormous kudos that you are willing to admit this being one of your obstacles. FEAR lives in your head and poisons your heart. Most of the time what we fear is not a reality however a figment of our insecurities. Why would you be in a relationship with someone for an entire year you kept secret? This guy must have a steel sense of self or no self esteem at all to be someones secret for an entire year.

    4: “R isn’t very polished or well read, his language is fairly crass and he lacks the worldliness I’ve always expected my partner to have.” ………Are you serious?

    5: “he didn’t have time to become a suave, polished, cultured man” Sounds like you’re too good for him then

    6: You’re mom probably knew the entire time what was up. If she has sacrificed to give you what you have, hopefully you’re appreciative of her. At the end of the day however, your life is yours to live. Im sure the sacrifices they made weren’t done for you to make bad choice too. That is apart of learning and growing. I’m sure mom understands that and would be supportive of you no matter what, that’s just the way moms are.

    7: So its his fault you cant stand up for what you want? or that you cant be honest with yourself or your parents? “normal” couple? what does normal look like anyway…? look around two men, two women, white black, transgender, single parents, normal is taking on a completely new meaning, what meaning or normal are you stuck on?

    8:They say breakups light up the same areas in the brain as someone getting clean off cocaine. We think its a “hearbreak” but its really a withdrawal from a chemical addiction, from the hormones in our system that are generated when we feel “love.” Give it a couple months, and see if you still feel the same way.

    9: Im liking this guy more and more, good for him. He needs to find someone who wont try and change him into some James Bond CEO fantasy partner that you are looking for. Just because you dont have your stuff together emotionally, its not fair to make it his problem. You broke up with him, he doesnt owe you anything anymore.

    10: Regret and guilt is a good thing to a certain extent, it means you arent a complete sociopath. But why do you feel these things? because you hurt him? or because you had him, gave him up, want him again, and he’s smart enough to steer clear? Something tells me the latter. For his sake and for your own healing, you need to leave him alone. Not forever….. just until you can get yourself back into the mold of a semi healthy and emotionally stable person again.

    11: Rumination is a tough one, the only way Ive found to really stop them, is to change your attitude about the break up, one from pain and despair to freedom and life lesson. When you can look back and smile appreciating the good times and knowing the bad were necessary for growth. You wont have these pangs of remorse and frustration.

    12: The only way you’ll ever get him back, is to get over him. Break ups happen because its broken. Something about the way he is, and the way you are simply do not work together. So to assume that you can remain the same people and try again is against logic. Ever heard, “doing the same thing the same way and expecting different results?” You’ll either have to accept its over, learn what you needed to learn and move on. Or try to address your problems and be a better person. You’re going to have to do all these things anyway. Otherwise any future relationship you have you will simply drag the same negative manifestations of your personality into the next one. Once someone has put you outside of their defensive walls, there is absolutely nothing you can do to get back in. They are the keepers of the gate and will only be the ones who decide when and for who it opens again. This guy let you inside once, you ran am-muck, and like the barbarians into china he’s built a big ass wall to keep you out. While he attempts to rebuild in the aftermath.

    Sister, Im telling you, I wish I could swoop in and sprinkle magic dust to make your pain go away. It sucks and I know it so much. I hope you approached my feedback from a position of humility. I honestly see in your writing a lot of extremely typical problems with young people these days. The confusion, fear of commitment, the unrealistic expectations, the misplaced priorities. The only freedom from all this is not going to come from him, or your friends, or us. Its going to come from yourself. You need to commit to intense reflection and own the things you find. This is about YOU, whatever part he had in it and he does, they always do. It doesn’t matter as he is gone and you’re only left with yourself now…..

    I hope you find the peace it is you seek, its all begins and ends within us!

    #52424
    Kline
    Participant

    Chad (and Bluesses),
    I have appreciated your posts on this thread and others. I needed the same advice that you gave Bluesses. I think when someone is gone as a partner, it is for a good reason. When we open up to someone so much that we move in, and are intimate we are basically saying – I accept you for who you are unconditionally. If you go back on that, it is really a breach of trust. Someone like this guy who is willing to be friends afterwards is someone special. Most people cannot do that. I would try to accept his friendship as a gift when he reaches out to you, but not reach out to him as much. Give yourself some time and space to ask questions about who you really are. C.S. Lewis said, pain is God’s wake-up call. Whether we cause ourselves pain or others cause us pain, there is the great opportunity, to take a long pause, reflect on what life is really asking of us, in the truest sense. I am learning similar lessons, Bluesses, – we are all so fragile in our desire to be loved that we look for it without being fully “awake” – but now is always the time – a saying from Buddha – the best time to awake is now.

    • This reply was modified 10 years, 6 months ago by Kline.
    #52434
    E. Buddha
    Participant

    So, from reading your post, it sounds as if R is working class or poor and you are not, and you are ashamed to be with him, and he broke up with you.
    His response to you seems completely reasonable.

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