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May 23, 2018 at 4:24 am #208913AnonymousGuest
Dear Derek:
I remember before, most of my life, I was embarrassed by my own thoughts. Somehow I imagined other people have.. proper thoughts all day long and I was the strange one, having these unacceptable thoughts. I didn’t realize that everyone has lots of thoughts that are proper, improper and all in between.
I used to be alarmed by my own thoughts: what does this thought say about me? was the question, kind of.
You wrote: “I feel bad for criticizing their image”. I think you will not feel bad about thinking critical thoughts of these two men if you understand that they too think critical thoughts about their image and the image of others. Everyone does.
What makes you a good or bad person is what you do. This is all that matters. If you don’t post to these people your critical thoughts of them, then you did not criticize them. Same regarding your thoughts about your partner, whether he is attractive or not and so forth.
If you understand, take in and understand on a deeper level this reality, that no one thinks proper thoughts all day long (maybe not for a whole hour within a day), that there is therefore no praise nor shame in thoughts. This will take away a lot from your anxiety.
anita
May 23, 2018 at 4:32 am #208915DerekParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for this. This has opened my eyes.
I never thought that actually this can happen to anyone and of course at varying levels.
I really appreciate you taking the time to respond and help.
May 23, 2018 at 4:36 am #208919AnonymousGuestYou are welcome, Derek. Anytime, and get well soon!
anita
May 23, 2018 at 6:03 am #208929DerekParticipantAnother thing I worry about is finances.
So I am interviewing for a job that will pay less than my current but potentially is more in line with where I want to take future studies etc. Basically my current employer pays badly too, and the job is quite boring. The new one pays less but should give me more appropriate experience.
Obviously this is something that has come up at home, and he believes the other job if it will make me happier it is worth the pay cut because happiness is more important. Then we discussed salaries and I realised that he earns as little as the new job and I feel nervous. I feel scared about money, like maybe I need someone who earns more, but then think well money can’t build a happy relationship. We are not homeless and live off what we have, so that’s the critic again? Or projection? Or is it black and white, pass or fail thinking, taking someone at the financial level instead of level of the soul? So annoying when this stuff happens.
May 23, 2018 at 6:43 am #208933AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
“So annoying when this stuff happens”, when these thoughts come about. Again and again, we anxious people, have to insert realistic thoughts into the ongoing commentary of your brain. It is annoying to do so, wish didn’t have to… but we have no choice but pay attention, notice and insert true-to-reality thoughts. Do so again and again.
Don’t be alarmed every time you notice a thought that comes from anxiety and promotes further anxiety. This has been happening for so long and will keep happening. Try to relax into this reality and it will get easier for you. Be surprised every time the expectable happens, and you get distressed each time anew.
If you take the lower paying job over the low paying job and your partner keeps his lower paying job, the two of you can still survive and pursue your individual career goal, correct? If correct, then this is indeed your true-to-reality thought. Replace and then, disengage from the other thoughts.
Again and again… and yet again.
anita
May 24, 2018 at 3:23 am #209075DerekParticipantHi Anita,
I guess I find it hard to know what the realistic thoughts are at times. For example, if I feel a sense of dread in my stomach that maybe ‘I am no longer attracted to him’ or ‘in love with him’ I don’t feel that this is realistic as it feels fearful and riddled with panic. When I am criticising, again I don’t feel like it’s real becuase it feels nasty and just irrational.
So today I am still sick and back in the office. I see the hot straight coworker, or see people on social media and panic ‘is it normal to look at these people’. Or ‘maybe the UK will provide better work opportunities and I should leave Spain’. Which got me thinking about tyhe origins of my anxious nature. I couldn’t help wonder, when I was younger, my Mother constantly changed jobs, as well as moved me twice in different schools and houses. There was always an argument with someone be it neighbours or family (usually both) and nothing was ever stable. I suppose I learned that the way out was to move away. I think that now I am in a stable healthy relationship, a NORMAL relationship, it’s like I am grieving. Perhaps my whole life I waited for this kind of love, but my brain was so wired that this kind of love and stability will cause hurt, so we look to external sources like the hot man at the office, or the people online who have it so together etc, changing country, university, job…CHANGE that’s the origin. So the deepening of the relationship frightens me. I had myself so convinced that we ‘didn’t kiss good enough’ that everytime he kissed me yesterday I flinched beforehand, but every time we kissed I felt fine. I think I am uncovering origins.
May 24, 2018 at 4:01 am #209081AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
Yes, you are uncovering origins:
You wrote, “when I was younger, my Mother constantly changed jobs, as well as moved.. There was always an argument with someone… and nothing was ever stable”.
A child is not a separate mental entity from his mother. Notice, you typed Mother, capital M. A young boy and his mother are One Unit, mentally.
What happens is that her anxiety and her arguments with others were at the time part of that one unit. When you grew up and moved away, her anxiety and her arguments are in you, never left. It is still her arguing in your brain as you see the hot straight man in the office (saying something like: You are looking at him, aren’t you? Aha! this means you are not in love with your partner, told you before!)
She keeps arguing, raining on your parade of life.
anita
May 24, 2018 at 4:07 am #209083DerekParticipantAnita,
I never had thought of it like that. So it is her voice that has been adopted by my harsh inner critic….which is oh so harsh.
Yes that’s exactly what it sounds like. If I find anyone attractive I find myself with a pit in my stomach and thoughts very similar to the ones you mention.
Why then, when it does happen from time to time, that I look at my partner and feel unsure, or feel I can’t describe like he’s ‘not attractive enough’ etc and i feel panic and scared. Is it possible this is the same kind of thing happening? Because I don’0t like feeling doubt and unattraction or worried I am falling out of love.
May 24, 2018 at 4:12 am #209087AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
Our inner critic is the mental representative of our parent, the most present dominant parent in our early life. When she argues with you, it may help to visualize her face having just argued with you, see her in your mind’s eye saying what she says to you.
You asked why you feel unsure about your partner- because part of you believes the inner critic aka your mother. A young child believes the parent and part of you still does. It is a strong part.
So she argues, you believe her and doubt yourself.
anita
May 24, 2018 at 4:26 am #209091DerekParticipantI see.
I guess that makes sense to me. Because when i feel happy and calm I don’t usually have fearful or scary thoughts. Nor do I criticise or doubt. I accept more and realise my relationship is MINE.
But I suppose decision making and stability have been such great issues that it is almost normal for me to question because my mind has been trained to be on high alert.
May 24, 2018 at 4:30 am #209093AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
(I like your comment on the other thread, by the way)
You wrote that “it is almost normal for me to question..”- what we experienced as young children, within that one unit with the parent, is what is .. almost normal for us. Often not effective, not desirable and unhealthy, but normal.
Got to question that Normal and operate in effective ways, healthy, best you can.
anita
May 24, 2018 at 12:07 pm #209239DerekParticipantHi Anita,
That is all very true.
Just when I feel like I am advancing I go 10 steps back.
Today I was excited to see him, I wanted to. Of course when I was entering I was worried ‘What if I don’t find him handsome?’ or if I ‘flinch when we kiss’. None of that happened. In fact, when he was leaving I felt calm and tingled when we kissed.
Then when he was off at English class, thoughts entered my head. For example, I was thinking recently that I never seem to know when or what to read online. I just look at Masters or jobs and thats all I seem to do. Then I read an article about Bill Gates and the books he reads. I started looking at different things and a thought entered my head ‘he doesn’t read this stuff, he doesn’t look to grow with knowledge’. I told myself stop, thats not true.
Then he was coming home, and I feel like I am not attracted to him a bit, like I am disappointed or something awful. I imagine related to the projection just mentioned.
I just want it to stop.
May 24, 2018 at 1:52 pm #209265AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
I need to be away from the computer for about thirteen hours. Will read and reply to you when I am back. I hope you feel better soon, regarding that food poisoning, and otherwise. If you would like to post more before I return, please do.
anita
May 25, 2018 at 1:55 am #209307AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
I re-read your yesterday posts. A few things:
1. About anxiety- it is fear, unsettled, ongoing, you get a break from feeling it here and there and then it is back. There is a relationship between the feeling of fear and thoughts. You wrote: I feel a sense of dread in my stomach (this is the feeling) that maybe ‘I am no longer attracted to him’ (this is the thought)”- first there is the fear, then there is the thought. The fear is first, there always, ongoing, unsettled, thoughts follow.
You wrote: “Today I was excited to see him, I wanted to. Of course when I was entering I was worried ‘What if I don’t find him handsome?'”- you were excited to see him but the fear is always there, and a thought followed: what if…
2. Your effort to uncover the origin of your fear: “my Mother constantly changed jobs… There was always an argument with someone… and nothing was ever stable… now I am in a stable healthy relationship… my brain is so wired that this kind of love and stability will cause hurt, so we look to… CHANGE”-
Notice this: you expressed that you think that you are afraid of “this kind of love and stability”- I disagree. What is happening, I believe, is that you get glimpses of this kind of love and stability here and there, but not on an ongoing basis. Ongoing, you keep experiencing what you experienced as a child: instability, particularly the arguments. The arguments keep happening in your brain (that inner critic, the mental rep of the parent still arguing).
I suggest that you take on the attitude of expecting this to continue because it will. When you get a break from the fear and the thoughts that follow the fear, don’t expect the break to continue indefinitely. The fear will return. When you expect it to be gone for good, you get surprised every time you feel it again, every time the thoughts return, and that very surprise is alarming.
The healing from childhood anxiety is a long, long process. Take the surprise element out and you will be a step forward in that healing.
anita
May 25, 2018 at 3:39 am #209323DerekParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you very much for the response. It has been very helpful.
Today the anxiety is quiet, and I am not worrying (I am still with a stomach bug!!) so I am at home on Doctor’s orders and trying to relax.
I feel very determined to work with the childhood anxiety, very very determined.
Derek
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