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April 8, 2018 at 2:32 am #201267AnonymousGuest
Dear Derek:
I hope you do “breathe and relax and not beat (yourself) up over anything”- more and more often. The part of us that beats ourselves, that self aggression, it doesn’t just go away because we want it to.
This part believes we deserve a beating.
I have had the core belief that I was guilty, specifically, of my mother’s misery. Had that belief from a very early age, single digit age. Through life I felt guilty for anything and everything, whether I was in reality guilty or not. I couldn’t differentiate, felt guilty so often, so much, that I didn’t know when I was in reality guilty of something and when I was not. I tried to correct what I was not guilty of and did not correct what I was guilty of. The guilt was overwhelming and so was the anxiety involved in it and my life was a mess.
The incident we’ve been communicating about here, the way I see it, you did something wrong, being in a somewhat sexual situation with people who are not your partner. I am glad you corrected it at the time (your original account). Problem is your guilt is bigger than the incident calls for because of that guilty core belief.
I wish you could differentiate between the true-to-reality guilt of this incident (which should be resolved after the correction you already made and decisions made for the future regarding alcohol and perhaps seeing certain friends only in a public setting) and the untrue-to-reality guilt (originated early in childhood).
These days when I correct my thinking regarding guilt, to fit my thinking to reality, for example saying to myself: I feel sad about a certain situation but I didn’t cause it, not responsible for it, my anxiety resolves at that moment.
Did we discuss your guilty core belief? I don’t remember at the moment…
anita
April 8, 2018 at 3:40 am #201273AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
I read a bit through the thread looking for a guilt-core belief. I came across the little you shared about your relationship with your mother, Feb 28: “her love for me was very conditional.. if we ever did something wrong at home, it was quite common for her to pointblank ignore us as punishment.” Later you shared how you worked as a teenager because she told you, I suppose, that she can’t pay for everything you need. But then she… punished you for working by selling your dog without you having a chance to say goodbye.
Sometime later she came to your work and told you to never come home again. Why did she do that, do you know… tell you to not come back home?
anita
April 14, 2018 at 10:18 am #202385DerekParticipantDear Anita,
How are you? I hope this message finds you well. As always thank you for your kind and thought provoking messages.
The delay is down to the simple fact that I have been taking time to be as kind as possible to myself. And yes, the ego has tried to beat me down quite a few times, and I have tried to let it go with love and focusing on more positive aspects, which I actually have done and I have noticed myself feeling more positive in general. This is nice because this week alone I have been enjoying life more, seeing my partner and myself in more positive lights and just feeling calmer. It means that when some thoughts do creep in on me I kind of just let go and know they well pass as hard as they may be.
I’m really sorry to read about the guilt and anxiety that you experienced. It can’t have been easy and definitely resonates with me. Over the years has it improved for you? If so, what has helped you get to a more comfortable place? How do you cope with anxiety now??
I do understand more what you mean by the guilt now. This too came up in therapy, ‘when will you stop cutting yourself short and beating yourself up’ was what was said to me. For anyone I have told, they feel that I was drunk (lost any inhibitions) and still managed to be conscious enough to remove myself from the situation. So now I feel more proud of myself than anything.
Unfortunately I never knew why she did it, and if I do try and find out I get answers that don’t answer it. It was a tough time for definite. But I had been put out from home for maybe 1 or 2 years and often would have to wait in the garden and eventually she would let me in. So on and off for 2 years these threats were happening. They only stopped this final time when after it happened, I decided not to go back. and I guess that was a very important and wise decision for a 17 year old to make.
April 15, 2018 at 4:01 am #202443AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
I am fine, thank you. Regarding your questions about my anxiety: I share about it quite a bit, throughout the months and years of my posting here. There is so much I shared, and I don’t want to make it long here, and go into a lot of that. I will say this: being mindful, this very morning, more and more mindful is the way to go. Mindfulness is a skill that develops over time, with practice. I am able to be this mindful today because I was mindful yesterday, and tomorrow I will be able to be yet… more mindful.
I am glad you have been kinder to yourself, focusing more on the positive and “feeling more positive in general”.
You are proud of you and I am proud of you too, for the fact that you removed yourself from that situation. You wrote: “..still managed to be conscious enough to remove myself from the situation”. Another word for conscious would be mindful.
Being more conscious or mindful of what is happening outside of you and inside of you is the vehicle to mental health.
I am glad you didn’t go back at 17, definitely a wise decision!
anita
April 17, 2018 at 2:52 am #202775DerekParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for sharing. It has been quite a relief to know that someone who has such insightful and helpful answers can also have their own fears and insecurities.
I am definitely trying to be more mindful. I have been feeling some relationship anxiety surfacing again and rather than allow myself to judge and criticise my partner, or look for WHY these thoughts are happening I am leeting them go. Or, I am looking at the bigger picture. For example, I can see triggers such as the future (studies, money, job) and how they are impacting on my mood and how this may escalate into criticism of my partner.
To being more mindful and living in the present 🙂
Derek
April 17, 2018 at 3:29 am #202779AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
To being more mindful and living in the present!
Healing is possible only when mindful. Insight about the past, early relationships in childhood is very important. But the greatest insight is gained through the moment by moment mindfulness of the present moment. A lot of what we think and feel here and now is what we thought and felt there-and-then, activated in the present. Once we are mindful, more and more, about what we think and feel now, the more insight we have about what we thought and felt in the past.
anita
May 22, 2018 at 2:52 am #208633DerekParticipantHi Anita,
I hope you’re well?
I am posting today as I can feel the relationship anxiety rising so want to name it for what it is as a way of helping me cope.
I haven’t been journalling as much and I believe that now I must try and do it even when feeling good. In general since the last time I have written I have not felt anxious about the relationship. In fact, my anxiety has focused on other areas of life: studies, future, money etc.
Since we last spoke I took my partner to meet some family. That was a big trigger for me indeed. Estranged family and difficult past coming together with a beautiful loving present.
I have also been quite self critical recently particularly with my physical appearance. I have found that I often project this onto my partner now and he is not ‘strong enough’ or his belly is getting ‘too fat’. Moreover, I find myself more critical of his appearance. Particularly when I look at photos of us. I feel horrible as I am starting to see the similarity I share with my Father and that upsets me. I then look at my partner and can see his supposed flaws.
Apart from this my dreams have been quite intrusive. I have had nightmares that he has left me and I am often in the dream screaming begging him not to go. Or in some dreams he has passed away and I am searching for him and wondering about ‘how I will ever survive’. This weekend when I felt myself entering anxious mode I had horrible sensations that ?I just don’t love him anymore’. This was very upsetting and confusing because it was not the usual harsh tone of thought but a gentle one. I imagine this is anxiety at its worst, the ego and fear based thoughts trying to convince us.
The other usual questions have popped up ‘Am I in love enough?’. Will we ‘earn enough to buy a house?’. Is he ‘too quiet in social situations?’ and if so ‘what will people think of him?’.
The list is growing as I feel myself getting more anxious, so I am trying to acknowledge the feelings but not allow them to influence me or panic.
Very upsetting.
May 22, 2018 at 3:58 am #208641AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
Welcome back to your thread, more than a month after your last post.
The thought: I don’t love my boyfriend is supposed to protect you from the fear of losing him (your nightmares), but it ends up scaring you, the very same thought that came about to protect you.
Anxiety is such that when it doesn’t focus on this one thing (your relationship), it focuses on other things (“studies, future, money etc.”)
And then it comes back to the relationship issue. It is a dance of sorts, like fire that spreads here, then retreats and then spreads elsewhere.
The fear, the fire itself, is the same fear you experienced as a child, before you ever had a boyfriend, before you attended a university or had your own bank account. The fire started early on and it is the same fire raging here and there now, calming down then getting strong again.
Putting down the fire is a long, long process that requires a growing awareness of the origin of the fear, of the fire, relaxation skills to incorporate during the day, every day, lots of patience.
I wonder if it will help you to share about the origin of your fear, if that will calm the fear/ anxiety for a bit. Would you like to try that?
anita
May 22, 2018 at 4:19 am #208657DerekParticipantHi Anita,
Thank you for that post. It is quite tough today. A whole month since I had last posted, trying to focus on the positive feelings I was having then.
I had never thought about the dream in that sense. I am never sure how much importance to put on dreams. I like how you describe it as a dance, as fire. That is certainly how it feels.
It is true about the child thing because just this weekend we were chatting about if I would ever like to learn to drive. He asked ‘When you turned 18 were you not so excited to do it?´and I had to respond ‘When I was 18 the years of emotional abuse was coming to an end as it was the last time my Mother had forced me out of my home, and from there I never went back.’. There was an odd moment of sadness shared between us, and I could see he was sad for me, and I felt bad for making it uncomfortable but that was the truth. We both laughed a little and moved on. Then less than an hour later there it was ‘Are we talking enough at lunch?’. ‘Are the people around us talking more, are their relationships better, is this a bad sign?’….
As for the origin, I can’t even begin to think where it comes from…but I would love to udnerstand and explore further.
May 22, 2018 at 4:33 am #208663AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
The origin may be right there, your mother repeatedly forcing you out of your home. Wasn’t it scary? I wonder how old you were when it first happened.
anita
May 22, 2018 at 8:53 am #208747DerekParticipantHi Anita,
Yes maybe you are right. I can’t help but wonder how young I was when I was emotionally locked out.
It’s hard because the anxiety is passing today. Today I left a note at home for my partner, who has been worried he is not learning English well enough. I knew he would be home before me so I wanted to know that I love him for being him, not because he does or doesn’t do English…that even if he stopped tomorrow I would love him the same.
He just wrote me a message and I smiled with happiness, followed by the ever so common and awful flinch of doubt and fear in the stomach 🙁
May 22, 2018 at 9:02 am #208753AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
As unpleasant as it will be, in the context of quality psychotherapy, it will help to explore the origin of the anxiety, the primal fear, that of early childhood. I don’t see any other way to not have that “ever so common and awful flinch of doubt and fear in the stomach”, accompanied by that sad face.
anita
May 22, 2018 at 9:05 am #208755DerekParticipantHi Anita,
I am not quite sure I understand. Do you mean that psychotherapy will help understand where that comes from and help me understand the flinch?
Because, I don’t believe the flinch is a sign of a bad relationship or one that should be left.
May 22, 2018 at 9:27 am #208759AnonymousGuestDear Derek:
By “the flinch” I didn’t mean your doubt about your relationship, that is, your relationship anxiety. I meant the anxiety.
It is the anxiety nesting in your relationship with your wonderful partner (from all your descriptions and sharing). At other times your anxiety nests in other things, but the origin is way before you ever met your partner. It is in your childhood.
If you got in touch with the origin, the anxiety will weaken and life will be more comfortable for you.
Do you understand what I mean?
anita
May 23, 2018 at 2:28 am #208907DerekParticipantHi Anita,
Sorry for the delay. To add to my low mood, I had a stomach bug all night and have not been very well. The bonus of that is that there has been less relationship anxiety as my body has worried about the physical symptoms of sickness.
I think I do understand. This would mean the flinch signals the relationship anxiety, but the origins of this flinch are rooted in the past, rather than the relationship itself. I am seeing my therapist on Monday, and can suggest that I have ben thinking to try psychotherapy again.
I really want to keep working towards improving, at least to feel less panicked. I went on a date with a guy more than 5 years ago, t was the second guy I had ever dated. We kind of kept in contact over the years, but the dates were always a bit strange, and a bit immature I suppose. I was always very nervous saying I was bisexual and didn’t know what I wanted, and he would say he was ‘playing the game too.’ I wasn’t playing games.
Fast forward 5 years and I see him constantly posting on social media about his work (he works a lot in the LGBT community) and often with his boyfriend (who I find myself criticising). This morning as I lie in bed feeling sick I have seen some more of their posts and it makes me feel bad. One I feel bad for criticising their image. Two I feel bad because I try and work out if they are ‘better looking’. Three I felt bad because for a split second I thought he may be ‘more manly’ than my partner, who actually today I really wish would come home because I feel quite sick and emotional.
Are these normal things in life? Why do we compare and put down…
Derek
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