Home→Forums→Relationships→It's been 4 years, and I still love him.
- This topic has 38 replies, 6 voices, and was last updated 8 years, 5 months ago by Anonymous.
-
AuthorPosts
-
December 18, 2015 at 7:41 am #89875AnonymousGuest
Dear Aislynn:
These are quotes from your first letter, note following it, then second letter and note following it. After that my notes to you
Letter 1: “Dad, Why did you leave us? …I remember crying a lot. It hurts, it hurts very much that you are not here anymore. I feel that you do not love me anymore and that this is why you left us. Did you grow tired of me? Did I do something wrong? I remember loving you very much… I thought you loved us…I feel that I need to be step up. That I need to protect my mom and my sister because you will no longer be able to do so. We had to move back in with grandma because Mom could not afford all the bills on her own. I don’t like grandma… Just the other day I went to the store with mom and it was dark outside. I was scared that something would happen to her. As soon as we got out of the car I told her to hurry because bad people could be anywhere…”
Note: “…I feel as though he (father) stole my childhood away from me… I want to take it a step further and write a letter for him, coming from his now 20 year old daughter:
Letter 2: “Dad, …I’m never going to speak to you again. I have no desire to do so and I don’t need or want you in my life. …You had the choice, 13 years ago, to stay or to leave, and you chose to leave. Now accept my choice to not want to talk to you or have you in my life. You caused me harm, and for many years I blamed myself, thinking I did something to push you away. But I didn’t do anything wrong…You left, and no one was expecting it.. I saw my mom cry when you left, and when she could not afford everything we wanted and even when she struggled to feed us. There is no way in I am letting you back in. I will fight you tooth and nail if I have to, and know this, you will not win. So turn around and go back to where you were hiding, because if you push me any further, you’ll regret it and I will do my damn best to make you regret it.”
Note: “…I already feel better. I’m glad I acknowledged my feelings… I felt the need to protect the child in me from any further pain from him, as well as the rest of my family…I don’t need him to validate my actions anymore.”
My notes to you: I noticed the following points:
1) You were attached to your father before, while and after he left, loved him, that is. You were hurt by him leaving. It was unexpected and it hurt you.
2) You took responsibility for him leaving, thinking you did something wrong to make him not love you anymore.
3) Over the years you became very angry at your father for leaving. The hurt was replaced by anger.
4) You identified with your mother’s hurt and struggles. You carried not only your hurt but hers, seeing her as the victim.
5) You took responsibility over the consequences of him leaving, feeling that you had to step up and do the job he was supposed to do: protect your mother, protect your mother from the consequences of his choices, to “step up”- to become the fixer and protector.
My next note to you will be in a separate post.
anitaDecember 18, 2015 at 7:53 am #89876AnonymousGuestAislynn: do you need to elaborate on any of the points, 1-5? Please do. I am curious about your thoughts on number five. If you agree with it, can you write more about it?
anita
December 18, 2015 at 6:56 pm #89898AislynnParticipantDear Anita,
Thank you for taking the time to read my last post, I know it was quite long. Yeah, I’ll elaborate on some points and write more about them.
1) Yes, I did love my father, and I suppose I did love him even after he left, otherwise I wouldn’t have been so affected by him leaving. Yes, his departure was indeed unexpected. So unexpected that not even my mom knew what was going on. I remember her being as surprised as me.
2) Yes, I did take responsibility for him leaving, as a child I thought perhaps I had misbehaved. That I had disappointed him or angered him in some way. However, I quickly got over that thought, and it was quickly replaced by, “I did nothing wrong, I just wasn’t worth it for him, he loved his parents more.”
3) Indeed, I did become angry. Angry that I was so vulnerable and hurt by his departure. Angry that I felt I had to fill his shoes. Angry that I felt I had to step up and protect my mother and take care of my sister. I felt he robbed me of my childhood because I felt I had to look after my mom and sister.
4) Yes, I did identify with my mother’s struggles and hurt. I saw her as the victim because I saw how my father left us with nothing. He took all our valuables in terms of money and jewelry, and in a sense destroyed our family. I also saw my younger sister as a victim as well. I tried to shield her as much as I could from what was going on.
5) Absolutely. I felt that I needed to protect and take care of my mother and sister. They had already gone through enough, and I being the eldest child felt that it was my job to step up and do all I could. My mother had to take up more hours at work in order to be able to pay the bills after we moved in with my grandmother. I saw how hard she had to work, some days she had to be away from home, traveling for work. I felt that it was my job and responsibility to help her as much as possible in regards to everything else. I took it upon myself to take care of my sister. I felt that my mother was hurt after my father left, I saw her as vulnerable and felt that it was my job to make her feel safe and happy. Anytime we were going out late at night, I always felt the need to tell her to hurry and get in the car, to lock the doors, to be careful, etc. I saw here struggling, and I saw how hard she worked, and it was all to be able to provide for me and my sister. It hurt me that she had to make so many sacrifices. It didn’t help that I knew my uncles were all belittling her after my father left. They took it upon themselves to always tell her and remind her how they had never liked him, how they knew they’d never last. (My mother’s family has always always mistreated her. They’ve belittled her, pushed her around, hit her, etc). I saw how those comments hurt her, thus I felt an even bigger need to be strong for her. To protect her. My way of protecting her was by always pretending everything was fine. Even when I was being bullied in school. I didn’t want to cause her anymore pain. Being strong meant never crying in front of her, even during movies. If I felt like crying I simply excused myself and went to my room, or the bathroom. I just didn’t want her to see me as weak, because I felt that I needed her to see me as strong. I wanted to be strong for her and my sister. Even now I’m still always trying to fix and protect my loved ones. When my mother and step dad are mad at each other I always do my best to make sure my 8 year old brother is not around. I spoil my brother and try to fill in what my mother and step dad cannot provide for him. For example, I’m in college, full time, and I make sure my schedule always falls accordingly to my brother’s needs. I am the one who picks him up from school and take care of him while my parents are at work. Sure, my parents could pay for someone to do that, but I don’t trust anyone else with him. I am very protective of him, and any problems he’s had at school, I’ve made sure that my parents let me take care of the issues. I make sure to always tell him that he needs to come for me if there is ever anything wrong. For Christmas, I go all out for him. I always buy him the most presents, make sure he is happy etc. It’s become a habit for me to hug him and give him lots of kisses, and I tell him how much I love him all the time. (I don’t know maybe this all stems from me feeling like I didn’t get all those things as a child since one parent left, and my mother was always working). I’m old enough to work, to move away from home, but I do not because of my brother. My sister is 18 and she’s old enough to move away as well. Yet, I feel that I need to stay with my family because I do not want my brother to grow up alone. So in a sense, I’m still doing the protecting and fixing.
December 18, 2015 at 7:25 pm #89899AnonymousGuestDear Aislynn:
You were in a tough spot as a child after your father left. Very quickly, you took upon yourself the identity of the Strong One. You saw your mother as the weak one. In reality you were a child, needing a strong mother to take care of you. This is why you feel that you lost your childhood: you didn’t get to be the care free child. Instead you had a JOB, to be the strong one.
This is your challenge, with the next man you meet and get involved: to let him be the strong one. To pick a strong one to start, and let him take care of you in some ways.
You are likely to pick men, to be attracted to men who will need your help, because this is your learned identity, this is how you fit in the world you grew up in. You see your value as the protector and fixer.
Attend to the child IN YOU. The one that needs to be care free. Although this is not possible for you to be a real child again, a minor child and get a childhood again, there are ways for you to attend to that girl in you, the one still needing to feel safe with someone strong.
No matter how strongly you are drawn to a young man who needs help, who struggles, I hope you resist it and consciously choose a man who is strong enough so that you have the opportunity to be a little bit of the care free, taken care of “weak” child, the one that needs the strength of another.
P.S. Good psychotherapy perhaps?
anita
December 19, 2015 at 10:03 pm #89985AislynnParticipantDear Anita,
You are right in that I am likely to be attracted to men who need help or have issues. I’ve been with quite a few, and I always tried to help then fix their problems. I tried to always be there for them. I thought it was me attracting the wrong kind of guys, but now I know it was me who was choosing them. I always saw them as projects and I tried to fix them.
Thanks to your advice I will now do my best to steer clear of men who have problems. I really do need to stop getting in relationships only because I feel the need to fix them.
I like the challenge and I accept it. Although I will admit that I don’t like feeling like the weaker person in a relationship. It makes me feel vulnerable and I hate that. However, you’re right, I do need to pick a stronger man than the ones I’ve been with. It’ll be a nice change. I was once with a stronger guy, and I accepted that I was weaker. He was a really nice guy who helped me out a lot, he helped me with many problems and always listened to me. He made me feel safe, like nothing could hurt me (he was the one that my ex always wanted to fight). He was a real gentleman, and while he loved me, I didn’t feel the same way. The only reason I kept going to him was because he made me feel safe and secure,while no one else did. I know that was wrong of me, to keep him around for those reasons, but I liked feeling protected.
I can’t afford psychotherapy right now, as I don’t have a job and am in school full time. However, it is something I plan to do within the next two years or so. I’m sure talking to a therapist will do me much good. However, for now, you’ve been a great help to me and I really value that. So for now, I’ll make sure to always keep our conversation in mind when I’m feeling vulnerable, or like I need to be strong for others. Thank you Anita for all of your help. Blessings.
December 20, 2015 at 9:48 am #90005AnonymousGuestDear Aislynn:
You are welcome and as long as this website is on and running and I am on it, please post again and I will respond to you again and again. You wrote you found our exchange helpful… well, come back to it then!
This is what I was referring to: you were involved with a stronger guy and felt safe in that context, but the loving, longing feelings were not there BECAUSE your brain is wired that way, that it is a weak guy that needs help that triggers the loving, longing feelings. In the future, when you meet another weak, needing of help guy you are likely to have these feelings again. And in the future when you meet a stronger man, you are likely to not have these loving feelings. You are already invested in the temporarily GOOD feeling of rescuing someone- that seems like heaven to you, doesn’t it- the idea that you will rescue a person?..
Ever since you took on the role of helping your weak mother, weakened by your father’s departure.
You are AWARE then, remain aware, become more aware as times goes by. Post anytime, and best to you!
anita
December 20, 2015 at 10:32 pm #90112AislynnParticipantDear Anita,
I will most definitely come back to this thread. I’m sure I’ll be looking at if often as a way of further analyzing my actions and thought rationale.
I will definitely do my best to remain aware, so as to become more aware as time goes on. For now, I am aware that I choose the weak guys who need fixing because it is my understood place in the world, that I need to fix and protect, but that this is not so. I am also aware that I need a stronger guy.
Now that I understand why I am drawn to guys with issues, I think and believe I am fully capable of staying away from them. Sure, it will be hard because I’ll be drawn to help them, but I can do it. However, my question is, how would I develop feelings for a stronger guy when I meet him? After all, as you state, I’m naturally wired to not be attracted to them. I’m obviously not going to go after every single strong guy I meet. What I’m referring to is, say I become friends with a strong guy, who has good qualities and is attracted to me. How do I develop feelings for them or know that I should give it a chance. Because obviously I don’t want to get into a relationship only for me to never develop feelings for them. Will I naturally develop feelings for them over time, or is it something I will have to consciously work on for some time? As in telling myself that they are a great person, that I should love them and be happy?
Yes, you’re right the idea of rescuing someone does seem like heaven to me. It makes me feel good to know that I an helping them feel better, do better, be better, etc. It’s a great feeling for me because it makes me feel needed. I like feeling like i am needed. Even with friends, I am always trying to help.
December 21, 2015 at 7:19 am #90124AnonymousGuestDear Aislynn:
You are aware.
The brain is forming during your formative years but some of it keeps forming even now. When you learn a new physical task, new connections are made as you learn the new task. In the same ways, new connections are made otherwise when you become more and more aware. It is called neuroplasticity, this ongoing forming of the brain.
As you become more aware, as there is more and more to see into you and outside of you, there will be changes in the brain and over time you can feel attraction and love for a stronger guy. The way it is now is not a life sentence.
That sadness you have for having your childhood stolen, the feelings about that, about having to be the Strong One- those feelings, somehow, if you attend to them- maybe in good psychotherapy, and you can start otherwise, maybe share about it more here, on this thread- those feelings, if you process them, the very nature of processing them is in reality, new connections in the brain. As it all happens in between our ears.
Maybe understanding that you took on the role of protecting your mother, being the strong one so that in return SHE will be the strong one and protect you. Because what you needed then was a parent’s strength. Strange in a way, but you motivation was always to have a strong parent/ person in your life. If you go back to that need which is fueling your role of being the strong one. Are you following this “crazy” logic? Not so crazy in the circumstances you were in. Only “crazy” now, that is –
trying to meet your need for a strong parent/ person in your life by picking up a weak one and fixing him, making him strong.
You would think, logically, to meet your need for a strong man you would be attracted and choose a strong man.
But because as a child you did not have that option, of a strong parent, your REALITY then was that the ONLY way you can have a strong person was if you make HER strong so she in turn be strong for you.
Stuck in that dynamic- made sense then- but no longer does.
Mind boggling, isn’t it? It is for me.
I’ll mention it again: post anytime.
anita
December 21, 2015 at 7:53 am #90128AnonymousGuestDear Aislynn:
I just read for the first time your post on the thread about control and I wanted to make sure you see my response to it, here:
What a well written post! Your thinking is so clear, intelligent, my goodness! I am authentically impressed.
Here is what you wrote at the end of it: “No matter how cautious we are, or how much we try to exert control over our life’s, there will always be uncertainty because we can’t change everything. The only thing that we can control is how we react to what happens to us, and what we make of it. And while that might not seem like much, it’s certainly something.
…we all to some extent want to shape our life…but there are forces beyond ourselves that influence what happens to us..”
I needed to read this today, this morning, as I am dealing with such forces out of my control…Thank you!
anita
December 21, 2015 at 12:53 pm #90141AislynnParticipantDear Anita,
“When you learn a new physical task, new connections are made as you learn the new task.” Ahh, yes, I’ve heard of that. I think I learned about it in my psychology course. It makes sense. So basically, I need to reteach myself to be attracted to a different type of guy. In this case, it means a stronger guy. I need to relearn it, so that in the future I am naturally attracted to a stronger guy. Wow, thanks, I had completely forgotten about neuroplasticity. I’d compare it to teaching my dog to do tricks. When one teaching method does not work, or is providing the wrong outcome, well then it needs to be analyzed and taught differently.
“You would think, logically, to meet your need for a strong man you would be attracted and choose a strong man.
But because as a child you did not have that option, of a strong parent, your REALITY then was that the ONLY way you can have a strong person was if you make HER strong so she in turn be strong for you.
Stuck in that dynamic- made sense then- but no longer does.
Mind boggling, isn’t it? It is for me.”
That all makes perfect sense to me. That became my learned behavior, which is why I have always sought out weak guys, so that I can make them strong in order for them to protect me, care for me, etc in the way that I needed them to. You’re right, that dynamic made sense back then, because I saw my mother and sister as being weak and needing someone to protect them. Also, you are right, that dynamic no longer makes sense. What amazes me most is how as a child one could possibly think “my mother is weak, I need to protect her and be strong for her.” It amazes me because if we think about it, there really isn’t much help I could have provided for her in the case of a robbery, financial distress, etc.
December 21, 2015 at 1:11 pm #90142AislynnParticipantDear Anita,
“What a well written post! Your thinking is so clear, intelligent, my goodness! I am authentically impressed.” Thank you for this. I tend to think that sometimes my thoughts are scattered and that I analyze things further than they need to be, turning them into something that is far removed from the source of what it actually is, if that makes sense.
“I needed to read this today, this morning, as I am dealing with such forces out of my control…Thank you!” You are most welcome. I’m glad that what I said was able to help you. I hope that whatever you are dealing with not only works out, but resolves itself in whatever way is best.
You know, control sometimes seem to be an illusion. I say this because we are very limited as to what we can influence or change. We might make choices that lead us straight down the path we want, only to be detoured multiple times by forces out of our control. Sometimes it is possible to put ourselves back on our original path, and sometimes it is not, as we come to a dead end. While we can control our responses to the situation and can influence what we do next, in a sense we are not really controlling much, because it is life, and life’s circumstances that keep throwing us towards different outcomes and we are the ones who have to keep adapting to everything throw our way.
December 21, 2015 at 5:34 pm #90184AnonymousGuestDear Aislynn:
What helped me today in your post I referred to, the one on the other thread, on which you elaborated above, was that I can control my RESPONSES to the out-of-my-control-things that happened today. I FOCUSED on my responses which were under my control and not on what was not in my control. It did and does help.
I like your thinking, clear, logical. How refreshing. You wrote there wasn’t much help you could provide as a child to protect your mother, but the child that you were needed to feel some CONTROL (again, same issue), needed to feel she has some POWER over the unsafe circumstances following your father’s departure, so she believed she had that power.
Just like you believed your ex boyfriend will fall apart without you, that you had the power to keep him together and without you he will disintegrate: here too you only imagined you had the power/ control.
anita
January 29, 2016 at 1:41 pm #94248AislynnParticipantDear Anita,
It seems I am stuck with this feeling I cannot move past.
While I do not want to talk to my ex boyfriend, and have no intent on communicating with him, I strangely find myself wanting him to reach out to me, to send me a message.
This has been going on for about 2 weeks. I’ll wake up, see that I have notifications from Facebook and I find myself hoping that I have a message from him, which I don’t. It gets my heart going in the morning thinking about that possibility. Also, funny enough, when I wake up to turn on my alarm I find myself thinking it is him calling me. He doesn’t have my number, but on my screen it says “alarm” and when I wake up in the morning, my head blurs the letters a bit and it seems like it says “ala*”
I cannot find it within myself to delete him off of Facebook, and I want him badly to reach out to me. However, I know that even if he did reach out to me, that I would not respond.
There was a coincidence about a week ago, that I was at a stop sign and while I was checking to see if any cars were coming, I saw a small green car coming. I waited and I couldn’t help but notice that it was him driving. He slowed down right in front of me because of the terrible railroad tracks on that street and I found myself wanting to step on the gas and speed off. Seeing him just made my heart race and I didn’t like that seeing him made me want to do that.
I’m confused about it and do not know how to move forward from this.
January 29, 2016 at 2:02 pm #94250AnonymousGuestDear Aislynn:
You need that connection… as lovely as your canine is, you need a human love story, isn’t this the message in you missing your ex boyfriend? After all, you are a woman and a young woman, so full of emotions and thoughts and awareness, a fascinating young woman, really. As I see it: a blessing to a good man to be involved with you! My goodness, that would be a fortunate man!
Only of course, you will remember what we discussed about power, what you have power over and what you do not, and how it is okay to look for comfort in someone strong enough, not only to provide comfort (that will exhaust you and leave you emptier…)
With time, you will find this love story. You are doing all the right things in that direction, mindfulness, and I read and responded to your thread about changing a major. So many things going on… almost exciting, if you don’t get too excited…
Pace yourself, calm… every day, every moment. It will get easier with practice.
If there is something I missed in your post above, something I did not attend to (I have a feeling there is something I totally missed)- let me know.
anita
January 30, 2016 at 7:05 am #94300AislynnParticipantDear Anita,
You bring up a very interesting point for me, a human love story. I suppose I do deep down, long to have a relationship with a man. To share my emotions, thoughts, accomplishments, troubles. I also long to be that for a man, to provide him with as much support and love as he gives me.
I feel that I am now in a better place, in which I could give myself the chance to be in a relationship, knowing that I have the habit of choosing men with issues. I realize that now, and strongly try stay away from them. However, I do not see myself being with someone.
I am not trying to rush things. I know that things will happen when they are supposed to, and I am not looking for a relationship right now. I want to devote myself to my studies, my dog, my mindfulness and working on better managing my anxiety. So in other terms, I want to work on me.
However, would I be open to a relationship in the future? In a few years, absolutely. However, I don’t see myself being with anyone. I suppose this comes from being single for over 4 years now, as well as I do not believe I will find a man who will have the same views or values as me, if that makes sense. I don’t know if any man is going to accept that I have anxiety, I guess that deep down I fear that they will not understand why I do not feel comfortable doing certain things.
Also, I know for a fact that I do not want children, ever. I know that will certainly drive away some men, and I am fine with that. However, when would it be a good idea to bring that up when seeing someone? Also, isn’t the point of dating and being in relationship to see if you could spend the rest of your life with them? I don’t see myself spending the rest of my life with anyone if I’m honest. I’m a solitary introvert and I value my alone time above anything else.
I’ve had boyfriends who were popular and great guys and while I cared for them, I just couldn’t deal with their popularity. For example, one was captain of the wrestling team. The other one was homecoming king, class president, and played sports. They were both very popular guys and I couldn’t deal with it. I couldn’t stand that at any point and time, someone would try and talk to them, hug them, shake hands, etc. It was a huge issue for me. That was what drove me away from them.
Ahh, yes, the post about my major. I completely forgot to respond.
“Pace yourself, calm… every day, every moment. It will get easier with practice.” Yes, I certainly need to work on that. I tend to want to rush things. Fear of the unknown.
“If there is something I missed in your post above, something I did not attend to (I have a feeling there is something I totally missed)- let me know.” You did great in addressing my issues. I suppose the only thing that I’m still wondering about is why I feel the urge to have my ex boyfriend see me or get in contact with me, even if I don’t plan to respond to him. I’ll take a shot at answering it myself, and tell me if this makes sense.
When we broke up, he was spiteful, told me I’d never find anyone else. That I wouldn’t do good without him. I suppose he thought I’d fall apart without him. So in a sense, perhaps I want him to see me, write to me, or keep up with me through my Facebook to see how well I am doing without him. But in that case… Why does his perception and validation of me matter so much to me?
-
AuthorPosts