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May 18, 2019 at 9:02 am #294357AnonymousGuest
Dear Julia:
It is quite amazing, I just noticed the title of your thread: “Is he being honest with himself and me?” –
– what is clear to me is that you were emotionally invested in him beyond the sex from the very beginning, or very close to the very beginning of the relationship but it is you who hasn’t been honest about it, not with yourself and not with him.
The indications of your emotional investment in him, beyond sex, are many throughout your writing. And yet, you almost.. insist that this was and can be a friends-with-benefits relationship. Definitely not on your part, so even if it is possible on his part, it takes two.
You referred to him as a rebound man but I don’t think he is more of a rebound than the man before him and the one before.
I was wondering about the time you spent time with him, that insight he said you had into him, was that a result of you asking him many questions about his past, his relationships with women before he met you (in particular his most recent ex), questions about his thoughts and feelings, sort of probing his mind?
Regarding the upcoming trip, is it a sure thing, and if so, how long will you be spending time with him, in what context?
anita
May 18, 2019 at 9:17 am #294363JuliaParticipantI wasn’t asking many questions, he was sharing about his life himself, willingly. He was obviously emotionally confused and needed to talk it out.
Well Anita, that’s exactly my point – he was the one to bring up emotional talks, it was never from my side.
Were spending a weekend together. Last time we talked it will just be in a same manner (FWB, dates).
By the way – even when he was breaking up with me, he did say it’s weird but he still wants to go on a trip.
May 18, 2019 at 9:33 am #294375AnonymousGuestDear Julia:
He is confused, you said it yourself. But you don’t have to be confused, do you? I mean, if you know what it is that you want, you can tell him just that, what you want, before the trip, then figure if you should go on that trip.
What is it that you really want in the context of a relationship with him/ with a man, close your eyes and take deep, slow breaths, then, calm type away whatever comes to your mind as an answer to my question. Don’t edit it.
anita
May 18, 2019 at 9:39 am #294377JuliaParticipantAnita,
My question is what does he want. And if he ever fell for me or not. Why is he pulling away. Why does he not want me to pursue him as bf.
May 18, 2019 at 10:55 am #294397JuliaParticipantTo answer your question of what I want from man / relationship:
I want love and connection, passion and desire, ability to share with each other and be vulnerable, be accepted the way I am, be able to grow and make each other better people.
by the way, we shared what we want in a partner when we just started talking, and he said wow, we want the same things. We had a great start in this relationship…
May 18, 2019 at 10:57 am #294401AnonymousGuestDear Julia:
I will read and reply to your recent posts (and anything you may add to them) when I am back to the computer in no longer than 20 hours from now.
anita
May 19, 2019 at 8:01 am #294467AnonymousGuestDear Julia:
I reread and studied your posts this morning and my current understanding surprises me, I didn’t understand the following before this very morning:
In one of your posts you considered something: “he’s pulling away when I admit being into him- he’s getting what he wants and loses interest?!”-
– this was your projection into him: if he will be into you, wanting to have a long term, monogamous love relationship with you, it will be you who will lose interest in him.
You suggested it yourself in the next sentence: “Same for me, when I noticed he started being all ’emotional’ I felt like he’s not that interesting, too available, just another guy who feel for me (I consider myself attractive and men pursue me fairly often)”.
You wrote at one point that you are not emotionally strong and this is how I viewed you before this morning, in the context of relationships with men. But this morning I see a strength I didn’t see before: you are able to maneuver or manipulate your feelings so to serve your interests. You can direct yourself to feel love, and you can direct yourself to lose the loving feeling-
-You wrote: “I never thought about love as something that one can subconsciously ‘induce’ on themselves, but I do now. It’s like I’m more open and receptive for falling in love than I ‘should be’… I feel like I can reason with myself and mentally ‘pull back from falling in love’ with this guy… And I admit I was losing interest at times, especially when my friends were saying he’s not a guy for me”.
Because of your previous heartbreak experiences in relationships you developed the ability to induce love and lose love upon command, not perfectly but.. you are working on it.
This strength of yours will break his heart. He told you that his previous girlfriend “left him when he was at the peak of his feeling for her”. Your strength will lead to a repeat in his experience: you too will leave him at the peak of his feelings for you.
When you met him you had a goal in mind, to use him so to get over your ex: “After my breakup I started hooking up with this new guy to help me get over my ex”. You currently have another man, a friend-with-benefits and this strength I mentioned here is making it possible for you to not get emotionally involved with this other man.
The way I see it, your goal regarding the upcoming trip is to get him to want you for a long term relationship and then dump him. Not that you consciously have this evil plan, but putting together the conscious and what’s underneath it, this is your plan.
Of course I don’t want to help you figure him out at this point, now that I know how you will be using this kind of information.
This strength can serve you in certain contexts but it will prevent you from reaching your relationship objective, having the “ability to share with each other and be vulnerable, be accepted the way I am, be able to grow and make each other better people“.
anita
May 19, 2019 at 8:28 am #294473JuliaParticipantAnita,
Thank you for your reply.
I’m going to be honest – your post hurt me. I see myself as some kind of monster now, and I’m terrified this is how people see me. And this is who I am?
The “funny” part is that I feel like I’m the one who feels emotionally vulnerable and hurt every time I meet a man and allow myself to fall in love with them, and as a result to be broken hearted. I want to work on closing my heart so that I don’t feel love again. I know it sounds horrible, but I can’t function when I feel the way I feel now. I can’t go through this pain again.
I’m more and more agreeing with Inky, that I was used to get his self esteem back… And now I’m left feeling like my feelings don’t matter to anyone.
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May 19, 2019 at 8:34 am #294477JuliaParticipantAnd I promise to you: I spent the last today (though around friends and supposedly having fun on the outside), thinking of him, this correspondence with you, and feeling like I’m falling for him and it’s not reciprocated. I started admitting those feelings to myself. And it terrified me. I asked him to call me (I never do that) just so that I could hear his voice. He wasn’t sounding lovey, just a friend, and this is what I get now.
May 19, 2019 at 8:45 am #294481AnonymousGuestDear Julia:
Real strength is in being honest and vulnerable.. and wise, all these things together. It is knowing that you can make good choices and that you will be able to endure and survive most heartaches, most disappointments in life.
You are not a monster, I don’t think, not anymore than I was. I too manipulated my own feelings and other people, not successfully and I was miserable all along, but I tried to… go around my weakness and get what I need somehow. I failed miserably.
My recommendation regarding this man- let him be, do not go on that trip with him and end the friendship/ FWB/ sort-of-relationship with him. Instead, attend quality therapy.
anita
May 19, 2019 at 8:51 am #294483JuliaParticipantI want to spend my last three happy days with the man I’m falling for.
May 19, 2019 at 8:58 am #294487AnonymousGuestDear Julia:
You are saying that you intend to end this relationship after three days with him? If so, what is the purpose of going on this trip with him?
anita
May 19, 2019 at 9:00 am #294489JuliaParticipantAnita,
I was never intending to end this relationship with him, it’s his wish. My purpose stated above.
May 19, 2019 at 9:15 am #294493AnonymousGuestDear Julia:
I wish you well and I wish him well too.
anita
May 19, 2019 at 9:18 am #294495JuliaParticipantThank you for all your help. I wish you well too.
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