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March 24, 2014 at 3:06 pm #53463CharlesParticipant
Well, here goes nothing.
This is prolly gonna be long so I don’t mind if you don’t read it. I know that most of us are here for ourselves. It’s cool.
Who am I? My name is Charlie. I’ve been a depressive for at least 25 years and I keep making the same mistakes or new mistakes for one singular reason. I never learned. I never processed emotions. I fear things that are hard. I wont face pain. I beat up the woman I have in relationships with kindness. If I’m giving 100% of the time, how can they give, right?
I’m not gonna outline what those specific situations are. I don’t have any right to think of you all as my emotional sponges. Hell, lots of you have your own life events to deal with let alone those of some random guy.
This is me saying I am done. I am not going to make those mistakes anymore. I am going to face my fears and pain. I am going to try to give the love that I give to others to myself for once. I am going to try to forgive myself. I’m going to try and love who I am for once.
But I don’t know how. I’ve been through therapy. I tried medication when I was younger. This, that and the other thing.
What always happens, and this is a new realization, is that my environment changes. For better or worse but if you roll the dice enough you’ll get “better” sometimes.
Well, when better comes around, I forget everything bad. I forget that I’m even trying to talk to a therapist. I end up canceling further appointments. Books I purchased, I put in a box and never see again. All of a sudden I go from a sad sack of crap to WoooHooooo! And no, I’m not manic. I’ll be depressed for a straight 6 months or more. When something positive happens, it all washes away and I sweep it under the rug. That’s my pattern.
So, I never deal with it. Seems like Ive been just waiting for it to pass till the next “good thing” to come around. Be it a promotion at work, a feeling a respect or a beautiful lady to come into my life (I validate my existence by being in a relationship. I’ve done it for years and I refuse to do it again.)
So my question is, I need literature, mens forums for depression, a life coach, anything. I need help.
This is the first time that I am willing to face the pain and the hard work.
I don’t know what I need. I need advice, a pat on the back, a talk… shit, Ive done this for too long. I’ve made my last meal too many times. I’ve picked out too many trees to run my car into. If I cant get a handle on it this time this will really be the end of me.
So, if anyone has an real advice to impart, if there is a psychiatrist, psychologist, dude in his 30’s+ that’s figured it out, life coach or another person that has anything to impart… reply please.March 24, 2014 at 8:06 pm #53499AlParticipantCharles,
I am unsure how much help I can offer but I will attempt.
It is definitely difficult to find (positive) direction without the proper influences; especially so in today’s society where information quantity is more important than quality. Now, please forgive me if I am judging, but your writing style indicates that your thought processes are quite frenzied. Again, I apologize if I am wrong. In any case, and if I should be correct, when one seeks help it is important to be open minded and to thoroughly contemplate any advice, answers and/or suggestions we are given. If we simply neglect these things, believing them to be ‘nonsense’ according to our own logic, then change will never occur and growth will never transpire. With this said, first and foremost I believe you should try to calm your minds as best as you can. When we find our minds to be overly cluttered it is necessary to sometimes ‘reset’ in order to begin the process of restructuring our thoughts so we may come to more wholesome answers. As a beginner, do not think you will be able to achieve this on your first few attempts. Similar to a smoker trying to quit, it may take a number of tries. At first, try to empty your mind for a minute. Gradually, over the coming days/weeks, continue until you can achieve 10 minutes. This exercise is simply meant to help calm you but also increase your focus. Anymore than that, I believe, is unnecessary.
Secondly, this may come too easy (and cheap) for an answer but perhaps you may really need to look into religions. If you disregard the arguments of creation and existence of deities, you will find that religions are truly about healthy direction; that which you seek. Personally, I am a Taoist. I find absolute belief in ‘living in the middle’, as Taoism teaches. However, all religions, in their own form, offers this teaching of how to live in the ‘in-between’ and also has the capacity of revealing our aim in life. It is not necessarily just about believing if God exists, or Allah, or Vrishnu, or Buddha, etc… At it’s core, religions contain highly fundamental teachings to guide us with. I hope you will keep an open mind to this.
Lastly, as I often state to the members in these forums, never seek for quick and easy answers. Similarly to when you are caring for a plant, we must constantly nurture ourselves over long periods of time before we can blossom. Also, important things should always be done with care, don’t you think? Your life is important to you. It is proven by your seeking of help. And, your journey to betterment began exactly when you decided to post. You have improved already. 🙂
I hope this poor advice will be of help to you. If not, I am sure other members will come to contribute.
Al
ps: I apologize if I have made any grammatical errors.
March 24, 2014 at 10:06 pm #53502MattParticipantCharles,
I am sorry for your suffering, and know how dark the path can appear at times. Don’t despair, dear brother, there is always a path to joy. Sometimes when we don’t know where to aim, we get stuck in cycles. We find some strength and courage, and our light shines, we begin to find ourselves a little, find our stride. Then, something fizzles, and we begin to crash, avoid, set down, pack away. Then, we sort of hibernate until we get bored enough/pained enough to try again. Whew! A few things came to heart as I read your words.
First, if you’re feeling suicidal, please reach out beyond a message board. There’s a national suicide hotline, and there are some good folks that can help. Sometimes strength is best used to reach out for help, and talking can often do wonders.
However, if those are expressions of hopelessness, like a dread that it will never get better, so why bother… those we can work with, unravel, settle without too much trouble. Said differently, sometimes our difficulties are chemical, biological, and reaching out locally (even CMH if you’re in a country that has those services) might help you find balance. It.might take some time to figure out just what, but keep at it. I have a friend that has bipolar disorder, and it took her a few tries to get the right combination.
That being said, there is a possibility that its from “chaotic mind” or an over abundance of stress. If you shower people with kindness, but don’t take time as the little spoon, receiving tender care, then no wonder it drains, feels heavy. Consider investing your strength in specifically, intentionally, giving to yourself like you would give to her.
When she came home from work, and her body was tense, her muscles sore, heart strained from her daily do… what would you do? Wrap your arms around her? Tell her she’s loved? Make space for her stories? Run a bath for her? Consider that you know how to be kind, but perhaps feel silly or undeserving of that time and attention. Instead, you aim at “the mystery” or go on “the hunt” for a solution to the sewage issue. No need, just open up the space by being kind to yourself in that spirit.
My teacher called this “holding open the back door” or letting the wind just blow through. My favorite self nurturing activity is metta meditation. Metta is the warm, buoyant, friendliness arising in our chest area, and was taught by the Buddha as a method of helping the mind become smooth, develop concentration quickly. This makes it easier to settle, become peaceful, relax, reopen our curiosity. Consider “sharon salzburg guided metta meditation” on YouTube if interested.
Then, of course there is some emotion to process. The metta or other kind and tender actions you aim at yourself will help open up the space, free yourself to make some choices and stick to them. I love the way you gravitate toward kindness, that’s actually pretty awesome. Kind of like tossing kindness out there, hoping it will do something. The problem doesn’t come from sharing kindness, it comes from expectations. We try to give some kindness to receive some in return, to be validated as a kind person, for some result… and if it goes awry, we feel suffering, loss, disappointment. Instead, we can rest in our intention of being kind, like an inner mantra or “open space”. Then, we can just give whatever seems right, and that’s enough.
Said differently, as we self nurture, be kind to ourselves (in loving actions), then our kindness grows without strings. We give to others, but also to ourselves in continuing to grow it. Not just as an antacid for an upset feeling, but proactivly, steadily. Sweeping under the carpet doesn’t make sense, because we come to feel the warmth erode when we do that. Better to sit and breathe, become patient as our emotions settle. Metta is great for that, because it also helps quiet the mind very quickly.
Finally, consider that Buddha taught that we have a fundamental ignorance about how to find balance in our life. We have teacher and parents who did their best (if we’re lucky) but still themselves have their shit, their mistakes, patterns and so on. So we all get pushed out of the nest, and stumble along until we find our heartsong. So be patient, forgive early and often, accept it’ll take some time to grow a new chapter. Even here, if these ideas seem resonant but are difficult to envision, you can just print them out, approach it slow. The path of healing waits for us to be ready, so whatever advice you find, take some time to find out what sings to you, what’s true for you, what works for you.
With warmth,
MattMarch 25, 2014 at 1:47 am #53505The RuminantParticipantHello Charles!
Is it OK if I also offer my point of view, even though I’m not a man? 🙂
I have also been chronically depressed, and am now like a different person and tremendously grateful for that. I know what it feels like to be stuck in that depressed state of mind and I also know how there’s the need to avoid facing the painful things and pretend like everything’s just fine when something nice happens.
I think that it’s quite easy to fall into that trap, considering that we still have a primal part of our brains fully functioning, yet the society is very different. We can be stuck in a stressful situation even though we’re not directly under any threat. Of course we also try to avoid anything that’s painful, because that’s what we naturally do: avoid pain, strive for pleasure. That’s where the mindfulness comes in, because if you’ll leave your thoughts on auto-pilot, you’ll be stuck in that trap. It’s really not easy and would take a lot of practice, but the alternative, as you have noticed, is less than desirable.
Essentially this is the same thing that Al and Matt are pointing out, just said differently 🙂 Left unattended and uncontrolled, the mind will become cluttered and chaotic. To take control of the mind requires practice. That’s where the different types of meditation come in. It’s kind of like a workout for your brain, where you use it in a different way. Just like starting out with any exercise, at first it’s very difficult and straining. But the more you do it, the easier it becomes and the results will start to show in your everyday life, even when you’re not training.
From my personal experience, you can’t start controlling your mind with suppressing thoughts or arguing against yourself. Rather it’s like passive resistance against the ruminating mind. When a thought comes, just nod and acknowledge it, then let it go. To me, personally, it was helpful to think of it in a way that when ever I start to verbalize anything, I should just stop. I don’t need a constant narration of everything I see or hear. I focus more on just the senses and not trying to make sense of things. That’s how I got my mind-chatter silenced and it is a wonderful skill to have. I used to be really tired all the time, and now that’s gone. I also used to drink to silence the mind, but now I don’t have to. So what ever the technique is that you would use to get to a state where the mind is clear of chattering, it is worth it.
On top of that, when you do talk to yourself, be mindful of how you do it. Try to steer clear from negative self-talk. It’s not helpful. It would be like trying to accomplish something with someone constantly nagging at you that you can’t do it. Complete waste of energy and resources.
Also, I really think that you should treat yourself with kindness for a moment, and not focus on other people. Self-awareness is really, really difficult, so I think we tend to project and try to heal ourselves through other people. It’s like having a bleeding wound in your own arm, and then trying to cure it by wrapping a bandage around another person’s arm. Of course it not only works and makes your own condition worse, it also hampers the relationship you have with the other person. It is understandable why we do it, but it’s good to be aware of doing it. Be compassionate towards yourself, be kind towards yourself, send all the love that you have towards yourself.
I have tons of book recommendations, and probably none of them are specifically suitable for this situation 🙂 Taking care of yourself is in the same time really simple and easy, but also something that has taken a lot of time for me to figure out (and I’m still on that journey). Not any particular book has been helpful, but all of them have offered a different angle on the same issue. I’ve gotten help from Susan Anderson, David Richo, Nathaniel Branden, etc. Then something that seems to be completely unrelated, but has been helpful in figuring out the practicalities of taking control of your brain has been The Willpower Instinct by Kelly McGonical and The Practicing Mind by Thomas M. Sterner. I know that those really have nothing to do with depression, but they allowed me to understand the problem of having an unattended mind filled with chaos and stress, which does promote depression.
Regardless of which approach you’ll take, please be understanding and compassionate towards yourself. There might be breakthroughs that will make you feel invincible, and then you’ll come down and feel desperate again. There’s frustration and pain and confusion, but it is totally worth it all. Every step that you take on a path of healing is meaningful, even when you sometimes take steps back or get sidetracked. All the love that you’ll give yourself will accumulate over time and will win in the end, so don’t fret. Just be patient.
March 25, 2014 at 2:21 am #53506BRUNOParticipantthere are two issue you need to deal with, maybe three
1.With your emotional state you can’t see the forest for the trees- at some point we all become inundated-nothing we do, try or ” learn” will change that however since life is about self-discovery , at some point you WILL get to a clearing and be able to see.You should change the perspective on your life and acquire a bird’s eye view which will both distance yourself from the noise of these emotions and enable you to see that opening. Then go for it like everything depends on it.2. Central to the feeling of being inundated is the fact that Despair worsens it , Hope defeats it. Despair is the ILLUSION there is no end in sight- Hope is the KNOWLEDGE that there is a better pathway and you will find it.That pathway is specific to you- no one can show you the way but it lies within you.
3.At some point we are all left alone with the darkest part of ourselves- if we reject it’s truth we fall into quicksand, while if we accept its truth we will arise because then nothing can defeat us.
We all feel we need inspiration, we all think that the answers are out there- they are not , you have the answers, you have the solution, you are holding onto anything at the moment in the hope that a quick relief will appear- that is not the case, however nothing will transpire until you engage your fighting spirit- when you realize that you yourself matter enough as something to fight for.Get up and Walk Friend!
March 25, 2014 at 12:53 pm #53520KellyParticipantCharlie,
I found this Tiny Buddha article really helpful and you may too: http://dev.tinybuddha.com/blog/dealing-with-depression-10-ways-to-feel-positive-and-peaceful/March 27, 2014 at 3:39 am #53627CharlesParticipantThank you
March 27, 2014 at 3:39 am #53628CharlesParticipantThank you
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